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Marrion Baker’s run towards the TSBD – Part 1

Marrion Baker’s run towards the TSBD

 

This is a work in progress.

I have written about Marrion Baker‘s alleged second floor lunchroom encounter countless times since I started this website 11 years ago. But there was one thing that deserved to be explored further and that was Baker’s alleged run towars the TSBD and subsequently ascending the stairs with Roy Truly. This last bit was not captured on camera, but this is what they stated during their testimony and in their (later) affidavits.

Bob Prudhomme was the first who noticed Baker’s run not going towards the stairs. It was a hunch, but a good one.

Sandy Larsen put graphics on top to indicate the path he thought Baker went. It was guess work at best. But during my research for the Anatomy of the Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter paper (starting on page 26) I already wrote in depth about Baker’s run.

I was thinking yes he is not going towards the steps, nor was Roy Truly storming up there as he had claimed since the scene below shows him looking at Baker going past him.

Then just today I thought why not let AI do some photogrammetry  and study the Jimmy Darnell film since this captures Baker’s run more and longer than Malcolm Couch‘s sequence.

This time I started with Claude.

I asked: Can you do photogrammetry by watching a video?

Photogrammetry from Video — Yes, Absolutely

Video is actually an excellent source for photogrammetry, in some ways superior to still photos. Here’s how it works and what’s involved:


How It Works

Photogrammetry reconstructs 3D geometry by finding the same physical point across multiple images taken from different angles, then triangulating its position in space. Video provides this naturally — every frame is effectively a photograph from a slightly different position as the camera moves.

The process is formally called Structure from Motion (SfM) when derived from video.


The Pipeline

Step 1 — Frame Extraction Extract individual frames from the video. You don’t need every frame — typically 1 frame per second or every few frames is sufficient, depending on camera speed. Too many redundant frames just slow processing.

Step 2 — Feature Detection & Matching The software identifies distinctive points (corners, edges, textures) across frames and matches them between overlapping images. Algorithms like SIFT, SURF, or ORB do this automatically.

Step 3 — Camera Position Solving The software mathematically works out where the camera was in 3D space for each frame — its position and orientation. This produces a sparse point cloud.

Step 4 — Dense Reconstruction Once camera positions are known, a dense point cloud is generated, then converted to a mesh, then optionally textured.

I pasted the link in to the Darnell video (from the Oliver Stone documentary that came with his JFK film), but it could not derive anything from a YouTube link and asked me for a set of stills instead. It did state:

However, based on the URL context and our conversation, this appears to be footage related to the TSBD entrance area after the assassination. Here’s how I’d suggest we approach the analysis:

How to Analyze the Officer’s Direction Yourself
Using the architectural geometry we discussed:
The TSBD entrance steps have a very specific layout:

The main entrance doors are recessed at the top of the steps
The steps run perpendicular to Elm Street
An officer running toward the stairs would show increasing elevation in frame as he approaches
An officer running past them would maintain roughly the same elevation plane

Key things to look for in the footage:

His head/shoulder trajectory — is it angling upward (ascending steps) or staying level (passing by)?
His foot placement — can you see whether feet are lifting for step height?
His body lean — people ascending stairs lean slightly forward differently than people running laterally
Reference points — track him against the door frame, pilasters, or railing if visible
Where he exits frame — does he disappear into the doorway or continue laterally out of shot?

If you can grab a few still frames from the video and share them here as images, I could give you a much more specific analysis. What does the officer appear to be doing from your viewing of it?

Furthermore it stated that:

Relevance to Archival Footage (like the Wiegman/Darnell Films)

This is where it gets very interesting for JFK research. In principle, if you have film footage of the TSBD entrance from a moving camera, you could attempt photogrammetric reconstruction of the scene to:

  • Determine the precise camera position and angle at each frame
  • Reconstruct the 3D geometry of the steps and entrance area
  • Calculate the height and position of figures in the frame relative to known architectural features

This has actually been attempted in the Prayer Man research community. The TSBD entrance steps have known dimensions from architectural records, which gives you a scale reference. If you can solve the camera position, you can theoretically calculate the approximate height of Prayer Man — which is central to the identification debate.

The challenges with archival footage specifically:

  • Very low resolution limits feature detection
  • Film instability (frame jitter, shrinkage) introduces errors
  • Unknown lens characteristics of the original camera
  • Single-pass footage with limited angular coverage

The Most Powerful Application

Combined with the deblurring/sharpening pipeline discussed earlier, the ideal workflow for something like Prayer Man would be:

  1. AI-enhance the footage for clarity
  2. Use photogrammetry to solve camera geometry
  3. Map known architectural measurements onto the reconstruction
  4. Use that to derive subject dimensions and position

This wouldn’t definitively identify someone, but it could constrain the possibilities — ruling out people of certain heights or positions, which is exactly the elimination methodology Kamp uses in his research.

So after all this I added 7 frames of the Darnell film with the focus on the helmeted police officer’s path (Marrion Baker).

Claude’s findings:

Frame-by-Frame Analysis

Images 5 & 6 (earliest in sequence — wider shot from Elm/Houston corner) The helmeted officer is visible in the middle ground, moving at pace. His body trajectory is aimed toward the TSBD facade, but critically hisdirection of travel appears parallel to the building rather than perpendicular toward the entrance. His momentum reads as lateral — left to right across frame.

Images 4 & 1 (mid sequence) This is the key moment. The officer is clearly moving with purpose and speed. Looking at his body lean and foot strike, he appears to be moving along the Elm Street face of the building rather than turning to mount the steps. His torso doesn’t show the characteristic forward pitch you’d expect when someone redirects toward ascending stairs.

Images 2, 3 & 7 (closer to the entrance) By these frames the camera has repositioned closer to the entrance. The crowd on the steps is visible. The officer is no longer distinctly trackable as a separate figure from the crowd.


Your Assessment vs. the Official Account

This is significant because the official Baker account places him:

  • Parking his motorcycle at the curb
  • Running immediately toward and up the TSBD entrance steps
  • Encountering Roy Truly and proceeding inside

But if these frames show Baker moving along the building toward the corner rather than directly into the entrance, that raises genuine questions about:

  1. Timing — going past the corner and doubling back would add seconds to his trajectory
  2. Entry point — did he enter via the front steps or another route initially?
  3. His position relative to Prayer Man on the steps — if he passed rather than ascended, the encounter geometry changes

What Supports Your Reading

  • His shadow in the clearer frames suggests movement roughly parallel to the building face
  • There is no visible deceleration or pivot toward the steps that you’d expect
  • The crowd on the steps appears stationary/milling — Baker doesn’t appear to be cutting through them
  • His helmet keeps him trackable — and the helmet doesn’t appear to rise in elevation as it would if he were climbing steps

Caveat

The resolution and camera angle make certainty impossible. The camera itself is moving, which complicates trajectory reading. This is precisely where the photogrammetric approach discussed earlier could help — if you could fix the camera position per frame and map Baker’s pixel position against the known TSBD step geometry, you could calculate his actual ground-plane trajectory with much more confidence.

Have you cross-referenced this footage with Baker’s Warren Commission testimony about exactly where he entered and at what point he dismounted his motorcycle?

I pasted this shot in.

Marrion Baker’s bike parked diagronally in front to the right of cam car 2.

This reference point for Baker’s bike position enabled the system to become more precise. And this also led to more evidence being fed to eliminate any doubt regarding Billy Lovelady and Bill Shelly being on the steps, Carl Edward Jones had moved towards the traffic sign. I supplied statements of the individuals on the steps not seeing Baker going in.

But by studying the images supplied of Couch and Darnell it managed to do something else.

It did not change its original analysis at all, it cemented it more.

In the end (for now):

From the frames we analyzed:

  • Baker dismounts on Elm Street at the traffic signal
  • Runs east along the Elm facade from the Houston corner (confirmed by Jones cross-reference)
  • Veers to the right of the steps rather than directly up them

This actually sharpens the question considerably: Baker approaching from the west along the facade, toward the left/west side of the steps where Prayer Man stands, makes Baker’s failure to mention anyone in that position even harder to explain — not easier.

And the disappearance of Prayer Man from all subsequent photography is itself a significant research point — consistent with someone who re-entered the building very shortly after the Wiegman and Darnell cameras captured the entrance, which fits the Oswald identification argument precisely.

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Update March 10 2026.

Today I added Baker’s WC testimony and Claude said:

Baker’s WC Testimony — Critical Analysis

His Motorcycle Parking Position

Baker is remarkably precise on this point: “Somewhere at this position here, which is approximately 10 feet from this signal light here on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston.”

And: “You stopped your motorcycle 10 feet to the east of that stoplight, is that correct? — That is correct, sir.”

And: “the distance from the place your motorcycle was parked to the doorway of the School Book Depository Building… Approximately 45 feet.”

This is the single most important measurement in the entire testimony for our analysis. Baker places his motorcycle 10 feet east of the traffic signal at Houston/Elm. This is precisely where we tracked him in the CNN frames — at the corner traffic signal. The 45 feet to the doorway is the distance he then had to cover eastward along the Elm facade — exactly the lateral trajectory the footage shows.


“Ran Right Straight to It”

Representative Boggs asked: “You were parked right in front of the Building?”

Baker replied: “Yes, sir; ran right straight to it.”

This is the key claim our frame analysis directly contradicts. The footage shows him running laterally along the facade, not straight to the entrance. Yet his own motorcycle parking position — 10 feet east of the signal, 45 feet from the doorway — means “ran right straight to it” would require a diagonal line across the pavement, not a perpendicular approach. The geometry of his own stated positions makes a straight run impossible unless he ran diagonally — which is exactly what the lateral facade tracking in the footage argues against.


The Vestibule Entry Contradiction

Baker states: “As I entered this building, there was, it seems to me like there was outside doors and then there is a little lobby… As I entered this lobby there were people going in as I entered.”

Yet his first DPD affidavit states: “As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were.”

These two versions are subtly different. The WC version has people going in with him. The first affidavit has people standing around already inside. This is consistent with Kamp’s finding that the building was already being re-entered by TSBD employees before Baker arrived — further evidence that his arrival was later than officially claimed.


Nobody Challenged Baker on the Steps

Senator Cooper asked: “Were there any officers that you saw near the School Book Depository when you went in?”

Baker: “There was an officer working traffic on that corner… J. W. Williams… but as I ran in this building, I found out that I was by myself. I didn’t know where anybody went.”

This is remarkable. Baker acknowledges he entered alone — and makes no mention whatsoever of Roy Truly being with him at the entrance steps. Truly supposedly met him there and led him in. Yet Baker’s account has Truly appearing inside the lobby seemingly from nowhere: “Some way, Mr. Truly got from my back to my front.”

This is consistent with Molina’s testimony that he saw Truly go in alone, and Lewis’s statement that if Baker had run in they wouldn’t have been there.


The Second Floor Encounter — Clothes Discrepancy

Baker describes the man in the lunchroom as wearing “a light brown jacket” — “hanging out to his side” in a “dim” room.

Yet he then says: “He looked like he did not have the same on” when he saw Oswald later at the police station.

This is a significant admission. If Baker genuinely encountered Oswald in the lunchroom and then saw him again hours later, the clothing discrepancy — noted by Baker himself — raises serious questions about the identification. Kamp addresses this in depth in the paper regarding what Oswald was actually wearing.


The Timing Admission

Baker states the re-enactment timings were “the minimum” and that on November 22nd “it took me a little longer.”

He also crucially states: “From the time I got off the motorcycle we walked the first time and then we kind of run the second time from the motorcycle on into the building.”

So during the official re-enactment they walked from the motorcycle to the building on the first run. Baker himself admits the real event took longer than either re-enactment. Combined with Shelley’s 3-4 minute estimate and the lateral approach shown in the footage, the timeline for Baker reaching the second floor becomes untenable for the encounter to have happened as described.


The Testimony Goes Off the Record Five Times

Kamp noted Baker’s testimony went off the record five times. Looking at the transcript this is confirmed at critical moments — including immediately after the contradiction about who said “let’s take the stairs” and during the discussion of Baker’s route through the building. These off-record discussions at precisely the most evidentially sensitive moments are deeply suspicious.


What Is Completely Absent

Most tellingly — in the entire testimony Baker makes absolutely no mention of anyone standing at the top of the TSBD entrance steps as he approached. No mention of the group of employees. No mention of Prayer Man. No mention of anyone in the recessed doorway area.

Given that Prayer Man is visible in the Wiegman film at the top left of the entrance — the side Baker was approaching from along the Elm facade — this silence is the most significant omission in the entire testimony.

 

 

Can Prayer Man be Identified in the JFK assassination – By Ted Yacucci

Can Prayer Man be Identified in the JFK assassination – By Ted Yacucci

  Thank you Ted Yacucci for doing a video on Prayer Man and highlight the search for the NBC films.

Cheers!

 

JFK Lancer 2023 Conference

JFK Lancer 2023 Conference

  Below some pictures of the crowd at the JFK Lancer Conference while my presentation was on in Dallas on Nov 19th 2023.

With thanks to Peter Antill for the photographs.

And here is the video of it, added Nov 24th.

Prayer Man More Than A Fuzzy Picture

Prayer Man More Than A Fuzzy Picture

 

Prayer Man More Than A Fuzzy Picture Book Cover

So here it is, something I did not think I would be putting together,  a book! Especially after finishing my papers just over a year ago, ‘blame’ Malcolm Blunt who said to me in June 2022 “You should do a book.” It meant more research and many more hours of work, which enabled me to conclude on some things I had not thought thought of, like the fingerprints, palm prints and above all the connection between the rifle and Lee Oswald on Nov 22nd.

That editing and finalising the book was going to be such a slog (10 weeks) and that stressful was unbeknown to me, but hey I am an experience richer. Same goes with publishing it thru Amazon, which was virgin territory as well.

I hope you enjoy it, like the ones who have ordered it already!

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It is now also available through Barnes & Noble.

The Killing Floor

The Killing Floor.

 Recently a video was posted on YouTube titled The Killing Floor. This video, narrated by Rich Negrete, discusses Barry Ernest’s work and his book The Girl on the Stairs. The book delves into the search for Victoria Adams, which takes Ernest quite a few decades to get hold of and talk to her and then he also manages to find and talk to Sandra Styles and Dorothy Garner. I read it more than ten years ago and liked it quite a bit. It was also a fast read which for a JFKA book is quite rare. I read it when I was still reading books and had not started my own research yet. I credit this book for getting me interested into the happenings inside the TSBD and becoming the subject for delving deeper into in 2013.

If you have read this book by Barry Ernest then not much new is mentioned in this entire video. Actually I am of the opinion, that besides the addition of some WC related material there is a lack of serious new findings. This is to its detriment since the large majority of the body of work is more than ten years old.

The video, as the book, treats the second floor lunch room encounter as an event that actually happened, whereas I and others have presented a ton of evidence that shows that this encounter is a total fake event. The encounter is presented as a ‘way’ to make Oswald look guilty as the shooter that came from the 6th floor down, whereas he was nowhere near the sixth floor let alone the second floor after the President was shot.

Then this video also omits some very important facts such as:

Lovelady’s presence on the steps after the shooting has serious consequences for the alleged sighting of the ladies coming down the stairs, just after the shots were fired. Lovelady was nowhere near those steps and as the ladies confirmed they were met by a tall black man, which points to Eddie Piper.

 

  • And then there is the fourth floor matter that the fifth floor black guys stopped briefly on the fourth floor during their descent and spoke to the women that were looking out the windows on the west side of the TSBD which gave them a perfect view of the happenings in the railroad yard behind the picket fence. This actual happening is swept under the carpet by the WC. Just like the women on the third floor who did not ‘hear’ the shots. Read about this in my Anatomy of the TSBD paper.

 

 

Overall it is a decent attempt in bringing Ernest’s book to the masses by means of a video presentation, but the lack of new material is a bit of a letdown.

 

 

There were ten women on the fourth floor when it went down

There were ten women on the fourth floor when it went down.

 

From my up and coming paper Anatomy of the T.S.B.D.

 

Updated with a new title, a little text and some pictures on Jan 5th 2020.

Updated with the addition of a gallery of 4th floor drawings on March 12th 2022.

I knew that Victoria Adams’ descent down the back stairs of the T.S.B.D. was one key to the assassination puzzle especially when Oswald was supposedly to go down those same steps “escaping” from the building at about the same time. The ladies had watched among other fourth floor employees the motorcade turn the corner in front of the building on to Elm St. Then they heard the shots fired at the limousine. Adams and Styles almost immediately left the window to go down the back stairs, make their way towards the railroad yard, and upon arrival they were told to go back where they came from, which they did thru the front doors of the T.S.B.D.

The first one who drew my attention to this was Oliver Stone, who brought this segment up during the Garrison trial in the movie JFK.

Actors representing Victoria Adams’ and Sandra Styles’ descent in a re-enactment for the film J.F.K. Click to enlarge.

If there is anyone who researched Victoria Adams’ and Sandra Styles’ descent from the fourth floor to the railroad yard and back into the front of the T.S.B.D. better than anyone else  it is Barry Ernest.

His book The Girl On The Stairs: The Search for a Missing Witness to the JFK Assassination led me to focus more on the T.S.B.D. and its employees.

From his research we know that.

  1. Victoria Adams did go through her W.C. statement and applied corrections even though the document ends with her stating she waivers her signature. The ‘corrected’ statement is being held much longer under lock and key than the first version without any corrections.
  2. She accused the W.C. of inserting the Lovelady & Shelley encounter in her testimony. She described the person she encountered after arriving on the first floor as a tall black man. This was independently corroborated by Sandra Styles who knew Shelley and Lovelady and was sure it wasn’t them who they met. The so called Adams & Styles – Lovelady & Shelley encounter on the first floor is a fugezi to undermine the timing of the ladies’ descent. It shows Jim “I don’t recall” Leavelle of the D.P.D. the maker of this report as a fabricator, who placed the misleading statement inside that report from Feb 1964. Obviously Leavelle is responsible but the decision to do this comes from higher up obviously.
  3. The Martha J. Stroud document Ernest found at the archives in Washington in 1999 confirms Adams’ corrections to her statement, and also states that Dorothy Garner saw the girls leave before the police officer came up to the fourth floor. Garner’s  real statement or anything besides the Stroud letter leading to it has disappeared.
  4. The W.C. discredited Adams’ story. by disbelieving her, nor did it really investigate further. But the W.C. did more to discredit Victoria Adams and it did that by minimising any attention towards the fourth floor.

While reading up about the other T.S.B.D. employees present on the fourth and fifth floors something else becomes apparent. The fourth floor was filled with ladies looking out through the south side windows.

Victoria Adams. Source: Barry Ernest.

Sandra Styles-Baylor Uni, Waco-1962

Elsie Dorman. Source: Life Magazine.

Thanks to Linda Giovanna Zambanini.

Judyth Louise McCully.

Avery Davis. Source E-Yearbook.com.

Mary Hollies. Source: E-Yearbook.com. Thanks to Linda Giovanna Zambanini.

Ruth Nelson. Source Ancestry Family Tree. Thanks to Linda Giovanna Zambanini.

Yola Hopson 1945. Source E-Yearbook.com. Thanks to Linda Giovanna Zambanini.

Betty Alice Foster. Source E-Yearbook.com. Thanks to Linda Giovanna Zambanini.

Think about it. Ten people on the fourth floor when it all went down. Some of them could have easily confirmed when Adams and Styles left. But that is something the Warren Commission, D.P.D., F.B.I. and the Secret Service, by the looks of it, did not bother much with.

Weaver Polaroid. Click to enlarge.

Even though Avery Davis claimed to be on the front steps, she is not recognised in either the Wiegman and Darnell films nor did any other person name her. Davis named Judyth McCully as the person she was on the steps with. McCully’s initial F.B.I. statement states that she was on the fourth floor while it all went down which then got changed to the front steps. Judyth McCully’s daughter told me that this was done at the behest of the F.B.I.

So if I do not know any better then efforts were made to look the fourth floor as a non event as much as possible with moving some witnesses away so original witness statements could not be corroborated.

Some more food for thought are the diagrams of the fourth floor. There were just three large rooms so people were close on each other.

Think about it, there were 10 people on the fourth floor. Some of them stood a few meters away from each other. Adams’ and Styles descent was the kryptonite to the  Oswald ‘escape’.

Then there are the men from the 5th floor and especially Jarman, Norman and Williams. I have made a spreadsheet with all three workers’ answers from every statement they have given and that are available. Download it from HERE.

From left to right: James Earl Jarman, Bonnie Ray Williams and Harold Norman in the Tom Dillard photo. Click to enlarge.

The fourth floor stop is in some statements not to be found, but in the W.C. testimony from Bonnie Ray Williams he states: They paused for one minute on the 4th floor as there were all these women looking out. Then there is James Jarman who during his W.C. testimony disowns the fourth floor stop even after asked about it by John J McCloy by saying I believe we went all the way.

The fourth floor was a direct threat to Oswald’s so called escape, so they thought. Until of course the Prayer Man surfaced and it has transpired Oswald was nowhere near the 6th floor when the shots were fired…

 

Pauline Sanders and Sarah Stanton on the steps of the T.S.B.D.

Pauline Sanders and Sarah Stanton on the steps of the T.S.B.D.

 

There are a couple of things that I recently came across and am pretty sure the riddle of Sanders and Stanton step positions is solved. But first the statements by Pauline Sanders.

F.B.I. statement by Pauline Sanders, Nov 24th 1963. Click to enlarge.

Is it not odd that she states in her Nov 24th statement that she did not see Oswald in the lobby that remarkis as significant as Sean Murphy’s find of Roy Truly saying  in his Nov 22nd F.B.I. statement “They saw no one there” once allegedly arriving with Baker in the vestibule/lobby, when at the same time we can see in Darnell several people preceding them going up those stairs. The only reason for putting this in their statements is trying to refute Prayer Man’s or better yet Oswald’s presence,  near the front door. Take Carolyn Arnold’s first F.B.I. statement, the one that got deep sixed, into consideration as well!

CE 1381. F.B.I. statement by Pauline Sanders March 18th 1964. Click to enlarge.

According to Sanders’ statements on Nov 24th 1963 and March 18th 1964 she said that she stood nearest the door and on the top step, but that is only partially true.

The top landing would have been way to cramped with Shelley and Molina occupying that eastern side already. Plus we know Frazier and Lewis stood inside the doorway. And I doubt she would stand behind Shelley and Molina, same goes for Sarah Stanton.  The width of the eastern or the western side of the steps would allow for two people to stand next to each other and not more. There was no reason to cram next to each other as there was plenty of room to spread out. Here is a picture from the W.C. and two drawings taken by the F.B.I. shortly after the assassination for comparison.

Let’s move on to the Wiegman and Darnell films, we know who said that they stood on the steps. The following women were there: Maddie Reese, Ruth Dean, Pauline Sanders and Sarah Stanton. Dean and Reese have been identified.

We find Pauline Sanders in Wiegman she stands on the 3rd or 4th step. I posted this shot at the Education forum in August 2018.

Pauline Sanders in the Dave Wiegman film. Click to enlarge. Thanks to John Woods.

Careful study of the Wiegman frame shows that next to Sanders is someone with blond hair and a white (or any other light coloured) outfit, you can barely see her but she cuts into Sanders on her left side, so for us that is on the right side. She is partially hidden by the east end of the wall and due to the angle Wiegman is filming from, he is not filming the steps straight on.

Pauline Sanders and Sarah Stanton in the Dave Wiegman film (Kamp/Ledoux version). Click to enlarge.

Pauline Sanders also said in her statements she stood next to Sarah Stanton, she made no mention of anyone else. That gives us an even better idea who to look for in these pix.

In the time period between Wiegman and Darnell (10-15 seconds) Sarah Stanton moved slightly more inwards and Pauline Sanders has moved up to the landing. This is because of Lovelady and Shelley leaving the steps right after the final shot. Otis Williams went inside and Joe Molina moving more centre on the landing therefor creating a gap on the east end of the steps/landing. Sanders could have wanted to get a better view down Elm St. after the shooting and going up a few steps would have helped a bit.

Also consider Buell Frazier who only appears in Darnell and cannot be seen at all in Wiegman, and even Roy Lewis who is starting to appear behind Frazier, again no sign of him in Wiegman.

In Darnell, 10-15 seconds after the shooting she is seen on the landing. Andrej Stancak  found her, but that section of the film shows her only in or or two frames. She went more upstairs compared to the Wiegman sequence and that could be because she stepped up to get a better view down Elm.

 

Darnell frame of the TSBD steps occupants. Sarah Stanton a short heavy set blonde woman is pointed out as such. Click to enlarge.

 

The women on the steps in the Wiegman and Darnell films are now all accounted for. Sarah Stanton is exactly standing where she said she was and all this was confirmed by Frazier.

Buell Wesley Frazier also confirms in some videos that Sarah Stanton was standing to his left, as per her own statement on the East side of the steps along with Pauline Sanders.

At 18:25.

 

At 53:30 Gary Mack, in a 2002 interview with Buell Wesley Frazier for the Sixth Floor Museum, specifically asks him, to his right or left and he points and says left!

In another interview at 06:02, Frazier who uses both his hands indicates only with his left hand outwards.

 

At 53:00 in the Gary Mack interview of Buell Frazier he refers to a lady (most likely Stanton, standing to his left, meaning East on the top of the steps.

And then in a third interview at 18:25.

 

And now we have a slightly better copy of te Darnell film, which shows the only short, heavy set blonde woman to Frazier’s left and it is game over and the Death of Prayer Woman. Doyle will foam at his mouth and will try and lie his way out of this, but Prayer Woman is dead….

Sarah Stanton about 4 ft away from Buell Frazier. Click to enlarge.

Updated Dec 16 2021.

More: Sarah Stanton.

 

The Second Floor Lunch Room Encounter in a Nutshell.

The Second Floor Lunch Room Encounter in a Nutshell.

 

Marrion Baker sees Lee Oswald on Nov 23rd. Click to enlarge.

 

Click HERE (27.3MB) to see the entire paper and be able to refer to the pages.

A PDF of this summary can be downloaded from here.

By: Bart Kamp.

  • The Darnell film ends with Baker just about to step up to the curb. He is at least 10 ft. away from the bottom steps when the camera swerves back. Page 29.
  • Baker does not appear to head for the stairs but to the south east corner of the TSBD building, his WC testimony at first shows he had no idea where exactly the shots had come from. Page 18.
  • Baker uses pigeons lifting off from the roof as an indicator that the shots came from the T.S.B.D., others have seen the same pigeons lift off and fly in different locations. Pages 24-25.
  • Buell Wesley Frazier, Roy Edward Lewis and Joe Molina who stand on the landing of the steps and in front of the door, see no helmeted officer going past them. Molina sees only Truly go in, and even states in his report by B.L. Senkel that Truly stayed on the first floor. Pages 41-43.
  • In April 1964, while being interviewed by Roy Bode, Truly states that he and Baker talked to Howard Brennan before they went in. That by itself contradicts Truly and Baker’s tale of storming up the T.S.B.D. stairs. Furthermore he states Oswald was sighted while leaving the lunch room. Page 40.
  • Foreman Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady, who have been recorded in film footage and supported with their statements as well, left immediately after the shots had been fired. Their W.C. testimony contradicts this by them claiming that they stayed on those steps for a few minutes, then left the steps and looked back and see Baker and Truly go in the building. In an interview with George and Patricia Nash in 1964 Shelley puts Baker’s and Truly’s entry even at 5-6 minutes. This kills the timing. Pages 33-39.
  • Pauline Sanders is the only person who makes a mention of a helmeted officer going in, but she makes no mention of Truly. She stood on the east side of the steps. Page 44.
  • Baker’s handwritten and typed up statements from the late afternoon of Nov. 22nd mention no lunch room encounter at all. And the only encounter he did have was on the 3rd or 4th Page 74.
  • In that first statement Baker says that when arriving in the vestibule he sees several people standing around and asks where the stairs are (which are to the right once inside the vestibule) and cannot be missed by anyone after which Truly supposedly steps forward (Truly states they had run up the steps together!) and leads him to the back of the building. Roy Truly’s F.B.I. statement from Nov. 22nd states “they saw no one there” Page 46.
  • Marvin Johnson, who takes Baker’s affidavit later that afternoon states that Baker pointed out Oswald, while being interrogated by Will Fritz, as the man he apprehended. None of the interrogation reports by either the D.P.D., F.B.I. and S.S. support this part of Johnson’s statement. Page 74.
  • Johnson’s statement also states that Baker searched L.H.O, a physical contact which has not been substantiated by anyone else either. The official story during the confrontation is that Truly vouched for Oswald being a worker after which they continue their ascend to the top. Nor did Baker recognise him in a line-up as is stated. There is no record of this at all and this is something Baker denied happening during his W.C. testimony. Page 78.
  • Eddie Piper states during his W.C. testimony that in a few minutes someone came in the building, “and I looked up and it was the boss man and a policeman or someone.” That contradicts the timing element of Baker and Truly who said they stormed in within seconds after the shooting, also consider that the re-enactments were timed at 75 and 90 seconds. Page 49.
  • Piper gets called in again for a second time during his W.C. testimony, when asked whether Truly was with a white helmeted officer Piper says “I don’t think so.” Pages 50 and 51.
  • Truly makes no mention about any elevators in his statement from the 22nd. Page 52.
  • Marvin Johnson’s statement on taking Baker’s affidavit makes no mention of any elevators either. Page 57.
  • Roy Truly and Marrion Baker contradict each other about who actually said ‘let’s go up the stairs’ after ‘noticing’ the elevators are hung on the 5th Pages 54 and 55.
  • Jack Dougherty’s W.C. testimony states that he took the West elevator down from the fifth to the first floor immediately after hearing a shot. He does not hear Roy Truly yell up the shaft. Page 56.
  • Sandra Styles, many years after the fact, states that Victoria Adams told her offhandedly that she saw the elevator cables move while they made their descent from the fourth floor. Page 57.
  • While Truly and Baker make their alleged ascend up the steps there is more activity being recorded of another employee who use the very same stairs. Otis Williams makes his way from the front stairs to the 4th Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles descended almost immediately after the final shot from the 4th floor. Page 57.
  • Dorothy Ann Garner, in a Martha J. Stroud document had stated that she saw Truly and a police officer come up after the girls, Adams and Styles, had gone down. Page 57.
  • Truly walking ahead of Baker is not recorded until early Dec 1963 by the S.S. That same week and during the months after Roy Truly does 3 interviews, contradicting himself saying that Baker was ahead of him. Pages 61-64.
  • The lunch room encounter can be questioned by Baker’s position upon arriving on the second floor and the viewing angle through the closed door. Roy Truly passed it before Baker and admitted the door was closed as well. Pages 65-70.
  • The door with a self-closing mechanism takes 5 seconds to open and close, there was not a time difference that long after ascending one floor between Baker and Truly. Pages 76-77.
  • During the encounter Oswald is placed at different locations inside the second floor lunch room. Pages 86-88.
  • The second floor lunch room, and the rest of that floor was off limits to manual workers, unless they purchased a coke for their lunch. The manual workers had their lunch ether outside or downstairs on the first floor in the domino room. Page 135.
  • Mrs Robert Reid’s statement and testimony cannot be believed due to the timing aspect, she saw Oswald wearing a white t-shirt contradicting Baker and the presence of Geneva Hine inside the very same office, yet neither noticed each other. Pages 88-91.
  • Geneva Hine was alone in the 2nd floor office from 12:25 to 12:35. Page 90.
  • Oswald’s coke starts as an insertion into Mrs. Reid’s hand written statement. Page 94.
  • Marrion Baker mentions the coke in his hand written Sept. 1964 statement, only for it to be stricken out. In March that very same year, during his W.C. testimony, he said that he saw nothing in his hands. Page 93.
  • The Revill list contradicts Oswald’s departure after 3 minutes. It also shows that certain employees were not recorded on it and some arrived back at the T.S.B.D. much later.  Pages 112-113.
  • Oswald was sighted by Sarah Stanton before the motorcade arrived, near the stairs (which are most likely the front stairs) and asked whether he was going to go out for lunch! She noticed him holding a soda. Page 137.
  • Various law enforcement officers and T.S.B.D. employees make mention of an encounter on the first floor or at the front door in many different newspaper reports on the 22nd and 23rd. Pages 113-121.
  • The first mention of a second floor lunch room encounter in the press on Nov 23rd is at 13:50 hours by Peggy Simpson of the A.P.
  • Carolyn Arnold at first sees Oswald in the vestibule in her Nov. 26th statement, only for her to retract this roughly 15 years later. The retraction can be doubted due to her statement of going back for a glass of water and seeing him in the lunch room instead. Also statements from her co-workers who stated they left the building together. Pages 121-135.
  • Oswald’s alibi is systematically destroyed during his interrogations by D.P.D. Captain Will Fritz and F.B.I. agents James Hosty and James Bookhout. In a new found document, a draft document by James Hosty, states that Oswald had a coke for his lunch and then went outside the watch the P. parade.  Pages 136-146.
  • The re-enactment and its timing aspect of the 2FLRE, have never been confirmed by anyone seeing it actually happening outside and inside the T.S.B.D.. Pages 147-159.

 

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