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Lee Harvey Oswald’s Fingerprints

Lee Harvey Oswald’s Fingerprints.

 

Updated Dec 12 2022 with Nov 23 fingerprint info.

Updated Dec 14 2022 I have sectioned the piece and grouped content and also added some more additional text.

This is a chapter I, at first, did not want to write, and it shows as I started to type some things down on this matter over four years ago. This is part 1 of 3 about Lee Harvey Oswald’s fingerprints. The palm prints and the nitrate test are the other two. In this I will share all my available information that I have managed to gather and my special thanks go to Malcolm Blunt for the documentation, Terry Martin for the scans of the hallway photographs. Also NARA, MFF, AARC, History Matters and UNT. And research by Michael T Griffith, Harold Weisberg, Henry Hurt and David Lifton.

In this WC draft document (pages 1-3) they present their side of this fake story. Here’s mine.

There have been quite a few researchers discussing the finger prints in conjunction with the rifle. A good one is a letter from Michael T Griffith to the ARRB in Dec 1996, this shows how there were no finger & palm prints that evening tying the rifle to Lee Oswald!

In the 1980’s Jerry D. Rose tried to dig into this with articles in Penn Jones’ The Continuing Inquiry in April 1984 and also in a follow up article in The Third Decade in May of 1985. The annotations are not mine in case you are wondering. They are Harry Livingstone’s. By reading both these articles and combining these with the photographs of the fingerprints that are now available from UNT we are a little wiser, yet some issues remain.

Oswald is being visited in Will Fritz’s office by Captain George “Max” Doughty, Detective J.B. “Johnny” Hicks and Sergeant William E “Pete” Barnes. They arrived to take Oswald’s finger and palm prints, but also apply a nitrate test to determine whether he had fired a rifle.

The Search for the Original Fingerprints sets.

Only a few of the fingerprint sets are available to see publicly in archives and as Warren Commission Exhibits. Original sets that have been digitally reproduced are yellowish in colour. Some are at The Portal to Texas History. Further investigation of those sets shows that not one of the Oswald inked & original fingerprint sets seem to be from Nov 22nd. They only have reproductions of WC exhibits in their archives for that date.

One of the first to report on any fingerprints is Nat Pinkston in his late afternoon report of the 22nd. Day has found a partial print and he wishes to photograph it before it gets lifted.

There is a set of photos made by Jim Murray/Blackstar of the three above mentioned policemen holding Oswald’s fingerprints, palm prints and paraffin test tools. They are paraded around the third floor corridor for the world press to see. The policemen appear out of Room 317 one at a time. W.E. Barnes holds the palm prints, George Doughty shows two fingerprint cards and J.B. Hicks carries an empty tin of wax a brush, a small jar and a scraper.

Careful study of the fingerprint sets put on display by the DPD in the third floor corridor show these sets in enough detail of the prints themselves to ascertain where they are positioned on the fingerprint card. This is based on the comparison with the 5 rows wide and 2 rows down squares printed on the cards and the positions of certain fingerprints of Oswald on these cards.

At first, with just the above linked photos available, I was under the impression that Doughty showed off just one set of fingerprints.

Captain George Doughty with Lee Harvey Oswald’s finger print cards. Photos: Jim Murray/Black Star. Scans by Terry Martin for ROKC from the National Archives in the Richard E. Sprague Collection. Click to enlarge.

A video of this scene in the 3rd floor corridor shows that there are two cards shown. But I can only see one set due to the angle of the camera.

As luck would have it, in Malcolm Blunt’s archive, in a folder titled ‘Newspapers’, I come across the second set. Photographed up close by a news photographer from that opposite angle. And again that set of prints cannot be reconciled with any of the known fingerprint cards that are publicly available in any archive, nor are they presented as Commission Exhibits.

Lt. George Doughty showing off the second set of fingerprints. Thanks to Malcolm Blunt. Click to enlarge.

I came across another set of finger prints also signed by J.B. Hicks, this set is known as CE 627, but is not part of one of the sets shown that evening to the press.

While the HSCA was active a record is made on Jul 7 1978. It states that the original fingerprints and palm prints cannot be found in the archives. While scanning documents from Malcolm Blunt I came across three pages of which two were RIF sheets (ending with 48 and 49) and a cover sheet which states that the files have been withdrawn. After looking at these more carefully I can state that the RIF sheet ending with 49 is the same as the file stored online at the National Archives. But the RIF sheets are not equal as to the font used, check for yourself and compare the one below with the one at the link. The file with the RIF number ending with 48 is nowhere to be found. It gets no mention in Google and this in combination with cover sheet that the file consisting of four pages has been withdrawn by the F.B.I.  Now what is so compromising in those four pages for the file to disappear?

From thereon a search ensues and some are eventually found. The find of these fingerprints, shown on the next page, and the palm prints in the FBI archives described in this undated FBI document is quite something and you wonder whether the other two sets suffered a similar fate and not re-appearing.

During Carl Day’s W.C. testimony however it appears that he had these original sets with him. So what happened to the originals?

Mr. BELIN. With the permission of Commissioner McCloy, would it be possible to have Xerox copies substituted for these so that the original can go back with Lieutenant Day?
Mr. McCLOY. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. As I understand it, these are the last original copies you have of palm prints of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. DAY. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Were you there when these prints were made?
Mr. DAY. No, sir. The prints that were made in my presence, which I compared with these, I can state are his, were sent to the FBI.
Mr. BELIN. Would these be the same prints as shown on Commission Exhibit 628 and 629?
Mr. DAY. No, sir. They are still not the originals. They had my name on it when I saw them sign it. But I did compare these with ones I saw made personally of Oswald, and I can say this is his left hand, his left palm, and his right palm.
Mr. BELIN. So you are saying 735 and 736 are his right and left palms. What about 628 and 629?
Mr. DAY. 629 is the right palm, and 628 is the left palm of Lee Harvey Oswald.
Mr. BELIN. What about 627, can you state what that is, if you know?
Mr. DAY. That is a set of fingerprints, standard set of fingerprints, of Lee Harvey Oswald taken by Detective J. B. Hicks on November 22, 1963.
Mr. BELIN. You have just examined these with your magnifying glass, is that correct?
Mr. DAY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN. And you so identify these?
Mr. DAY. They are the fingerprints of Lee Harvey Oswald, whose palm prints appear in 735 and 736.

Fingerprints of Lee Harvey Oswald on Nov 22 signed by J.B. Hicks. Undated FBI document (page 6) from the Malcolm Blunt archives.

The signature of Lee Harvey Oswald on that card, is not his own. Oswald would not sign any of the fingerprint cards, so the DPD did it for him.

W.E Barnes in his WC testimony.

Mr. BELIN. Did he request that he have an attorney present at all, or not?
Mr. BARNES. He didn’t request one. He would not sign the fingerprint card when I asked him. We have a place on this card for the prisoner’s signature, and I asked him would he please sign that, and he said he wouldn’t sign anything until he talked to an attorney.
Mr. BELIN. Did he ask for an attorney or say anything about an attorney when you took the paraffin test?
Mr. BARNES. None to me.
Mr. BELIN. What did you say when he said he would not sign the fingerprint card?
Mr. BARNES. That was all right with me.

Mr. BELIN. Did you just take the palm prints, or did you also take fingerprints?
Mr. BARNES. We took both.

Then there are inkless fingerprints, of which there is a set at UNT, these were also made by J.B. Hicks.

Lee Harvey Oswald – Ink free fingerprint set. from UNT. Click pic to enlarge.

He makes mention of taking these inkless prints during his WC testimony.

Mr. HICKS. Let me see now, I took a set of Oswald’s prints from him that night some time. I do not recall.
Mr. BALL. 9 o’clock or so?
Mr. HICKS. It was some time in that area.
Mr. BALL. Where were you when you took the prints?
Mr. HICKS. I was in Captain Fritz’s office. In other words, I made those on an inkless pad. That’s a pad we use for fingerprinting people without the black ink that they make for the records.

Mr. BALL. Did you do any identification work on either the assassination of President Kennedy or the investigation of Tippit’s murder?
Mr. HICKS. Do you mean as far as fingerprints?
Mr. BALL. Yes; and things of that sort.
Mr. HICKS. Let me see now, I took a set of Oswald’s prints from him that night some time. I do not recall.
Mr. BALL. 9 o’clock or so?
Mr. HICKS. It was some time in that area.
Mr. BALL. Where were you when you took the prints?
Mr. HICKS. I was in Captain Fritz’ office. In other words, I made those on an inkless pad. That’s a pad we use for fingerprinting people without the black ink that they make for the records.

Things get even more peculiar when I come across an inkless set in the book First Day Evidence by Gary Savage & Rusty Livingstone. This set differs from the one at UNT, simply by comparing the positions of Hicks’ signature on both. This set is also not known outside this book, it’s unique. it looks like a reproduction of an original to me and dare I say it that this set has been ‘taken’ from the evidence locker, since there is no other archival / online presence of this set of prints. A souvenir.

Reproduction of the fingerprint card inside First Day Evidence by Gary Savage & Rusty Livingstone..

 

 

The inkless set, from the book First Day Evidence by Gary Savage & Rusty Livingstone further above in this article, is ascribed to being taken at Parkland on Nov 25th when Oswald is in the morgue.

Fingerprints Lee Harvey Oswald from Nov 25 1963. From: Getty Images. Click to enlarge.

Oswald’s fingerprints from the morgue are taken early on Nov 25th 1963. Paul Groody, a Dallas mortician, in a sworn statement on Oct 23 1979 (pages 26 & 27) states:

Q: While the body was in the prep room did the FBI or the Secret Service come into the prep room?

A: Yes, I am not sure which, but members of those kind of company, those kind of departments, did arrive with photographic equipment and fingerprinting equipment and go in and fingerprint because we had to clean the fingers off afterwards, and therefore there was that further work done by some authorities.

Q: Did you have to clean each finger on each hand?

A: If I remember correctly, we did. I am not positive on that but at least we know they took fingerprints. We were used to it.

Q: The substance they use is a black, very noticeable substance is that not correct?

A: Yes, that’s true. The black ink they use, and all usually. Its quiet difficult to get good prints, especially after embalming, and especially this one because they don’t come out so good. There is a lot of wrinkling and a lot of drying, you might say, and they wouldn’t have been great prints. I am sure of that, but could be distinguishable.

In a video from the movie The Men Who Killed Kennedy in 1988, Groody states that “agents would come” early on the 25th and that they had fingerprinting equipment with them and had left ink on Lee Harvey’s hands. Showing that they had finger and palm printed him. And they had to remove this ink to make the body be ready for burial.

In Henry Hurt’s book Reasonable Doubt (page 107). In 1983 FBI Agent Drain, who was closely involved in the investigation stated in an interview (with Hurt-BK) that he could not think of any logical reason that the FBI would want further prints from Oswald, since they had already taken sufficient ones for the case. What was even more puzzling to Drain was the report that the agents went to the funeral home, when there had been ample earlier opportunities.

It is hard to believe that the men that were either USSS or FBI agents since both agencies used the widely available set i their documentation. The next two sets from the Secret Service Report are identical to the ones above. These have additional type info added. I have enhanced these two images as they were in quite a bad state on the Mary Ferrell website.

Lee Oswald’s fingerprints in Secret Service CD 78. Pic. from Mary Ferrell. Click to enlarge.

 

Lee Oswald’s fingerprints in Secret Service CD 78. Pic. from Mary Ferrell. Click to enlarge.

In First Day Evidence by Gary Savage & Rusty Livingstone Savage writes on page 111 Rusty and J.B. Hicks rolled at least three inkless cards and inked card of Oswald that Sunday night in the Parkland morgue.

If the FBI or the USSS did take fingerprints besides the DPD then these have not been shared publicly. And why did they just stick with the same copies shared by the DPD in their documentation? Groody tactfully avoids who they were that walked in with fingerprint equipment.

The Trigger Housing of the Carcano.

Further in the book First Day Evidence by Gary Savage & Rusty Livingstone Savage writes on page 105 “Crime Lab detective Barnes was in the office at the time Lieutenant Day photographed the trigger-housing fingerprints. He later compared the trigger-housing photographs himself to a card of Oswald and told us that he found 3 points of identity. Pete told Rusty and me that there was no doubt in his mind that it was Oswald’s fingerprint.” That by itself is nothing short of astonishing as Barnes never uttered anything of the sort in his WC interview. Besides, three points of identity are not enough anywhere in the USA. A minimum of 10-12 would be ok. The FBI, in 1959, aimed for twelve points of identity. So three points of identity amounts to not much.

The Media.

Dallas newsmen Joe Long and Gary DeLaune of KlIF radio station (RG272 E19 Reel 20 at NARA) both broadcast reports that the rifle contained no fingerprints. “Once again, that late report from police headquarters. No fingerprints found on the weapon which had been located in the building from which the fatal shots were fired. The…rifle, turned over to the FBI, is being sent to Washington …but this is a big disappointment to those investigating today’s assassination.”  I have tried to find the statement on any of the YouTube videos of available recordings.

On Saturday when Captain Fritz was asked by WFAA (RG272 E19 Reel 20 at NARA): “Were Oswald’s prints found on the rifle?” He replied “No, Sir.” From: Best Evidence by David Lifton (page 354).

Vincent Drain

After the press conference Oswald is being searched again, has his shirt taken away for the F.B.I. to take with them. It is Vincent Drain who leaves with the rifle, the pistol, fingerprints, palm prints and some of other Oswald’s belongings on a special military plane towards Washington. Drain took possession of the evidence after Henry Wade’s press conference at about 00:30, and not at 23:45 as officially stated by everyone. At 23:30 Vincent Drain is spotted seen behind Wade and Fritz (scroll to bottom) while they talk to the gathered press in front of Room 317 of Robbery & Homicide. Then there is Oswald’s brief press conference at 00:15 and he is still wearing his shirt that becomes part of the evidence that Drain took with him to Washington. Then Oswald has been moved upstairs to the fourth floor to be processed and hands his shirt over. At the same time Henry Wade is giving his press conference with Drain seen standing next to him.

Dallas District Attorney Henry Wade giving his press conference after Oswald’s. Pic.: Fort Worth Star Telegram. Click to enlarge.

Drain handed it over at Headquarters. J Edgar Hoover wrote to DPD Chief Jesse Curry and listed the evidence received in Wa. on Nov 23rd. Oswald has his finger & palm prints taken again since all fingerprint and palm print cards were taken by the FBI. There are two original fingerprint original fingerprint cards at UNT. These sets that are marked Nov 23rd. The signature belongs to Karl P Knight who was the head of the fingerprint division (page 19). The first set below is not dated, but the second one is. Again it appears that Oswald refused to sign the fingerprint cards.

On Nov 29 1963 Vincent Drain creates a report, confirming what Hoover wrote on the 23rd, listing all items of evidence that were taken early on Nov 23. The latent prints appearing in the photograph taken of the rifle, k1, by the Dallas Police Department, are too fragmentary and indistinct to be of any value for identification purposes. Photographs of this weapon taken by this Bureau also failed to produce prints of sufficient legibility for comparison purposes.

Carl Day.

Carl Day in his WC testimony is not sure and would need to further investigate when he knows that the quality of them is not up to sufficient quality.

Mr. McCLOY. Am I to understand your testimony, Lieutenant, about the fingerprints to be you said you were positive—you couldn’t make a positive identification, but it was your opinion that these were the fingerprints of Lee Oswald?
Mr. DAY. Well, actually in fingerprinting it either is or is not the man. So I wouldn’t say those were his prints. They appeared similar to these two, certainly bore further investigation to see if I could bring them out better. But from what I had I could not make a positive identification as being his prints.

When Carl Day passed the rifle on to Vincent Drain he had no positive ID from what he had found near the trigger guard of the rifle and the fingerprints of Oswald delivered to him that evening by Hicks and Barnes. Day was not holding back since he was under oath. He also states this in his statement from Jan 8th. 1964.

 

Related: Lee Harvey Oswald’s Palm Prints.

The Killing Floor

The Killing Floor.

 Recently a video was posted on YouTube titled The Killing Floor. This video, narrated by Rich Negrete, discusses Barry Ernest’s work and his book The Girl on the Stairs. The book delves into the search for Victoria Adams, which takes Ernest quite a few decades to get hold of and talk to her and then he also manages to find and talk to Sandra Styles and Dorothy Garner. I read it more than ten years ago and liked it quite a bit. It was also a fast read which for a JFKA book is quite rare. I read it when I was still reading books and had not started my own research yet. I credit this book for getting me interested into the happenings inside the TSBD and becoming the subject for delving deeper into in 2013.

If you have read this book by Barry Ernest then not much new is mentioned in this entire video. Actually I am of the opinion, that besides the addition of some WC related material there is a lack of serious new findings. This is to its detriment since the large majority of the body of work is more than ten years old.

The video, as the book, treats the second floor lunch room encounter as an event that actually happened, whereas I and others have presented a ton of evidence that shows that this encounter is a total fake event. The encounter is presented as a ‘way’ to make Oswald look guilty as the shooter that came from the 6th floor down, whereas he was nowhere near the sixth floor let alone the second floor after the President was shot.

Then this video also omits some very important facts such as:

Lovelady’s presence on the steps after the shooting has serious consequences for the alleged sighting of the ladies coming down the stairs, just after the shots were fired. Lovelady was nowhere near those steps and as the ladies confirmed they were met by a tall black man, which points to Eddie Piper.

 

  • And then there is the fourth floor matter that the fifth floor black guys stopped briefly on the fourth floor during their descent and spoke to the women that were looking out the windows on the west side of the TSBD which gave them a perfect view of the happenings in the railroad yard behind the picket fence. This actual happening is swept under the carpet by the WC. Just like the women on the third floor who did not ‘hear’ the shots. Read about this in my Anatomy of the TSBD paper.

 

 

Overall it is a decent attempt in bringing Ernest’s book to the masses by means of a video presentation, but the lack of new material is a bit of a letdown.

 

 

Dallas Action Podcast Aug 21st 2022

Dallas Action Podcast Aug 21st 2022

 

I did a two hour talk with Doug Campbell of the Dallas Action Podcast and we only discussed Oswald ‘s interrogation and more to the point only the first few hours of his incarceration and his first interrogation. There’s plenty of detail being shared. I hope everyone listening enjoys it as much as I did doing it.

Click the pic to be taken to the podcast. Thank you Douglas!

 

Out Of The Blank

Out of the Blank

 

Robbie Robertson contacted me a few weeks ago for a chat and that is what we did late July.

Here is the result, which I am pretty happy with.

The Anatomy Papers

The Anatomy Papers

 

Here they are, the Anatomy papers. About 550 pages to plough through.

Anatomy of the Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter. This is its seventh update since its inception in 2016.

Anatomy of Lee Harvey Oswald’s Interrogations. Third update which has key info added to almost every chapter.

Anatomy of the T.S.B.D. Premiere release.

Anatomy of Prayer Man. Premiere release.

I started working on these papers in the Spring of 2016 after I had done a two hours presentation at DPUK’s Canterbury seminar.

It started with the Anatomy of the Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter. The overall idea was to create these papers to assist me with the creation of a set of four interactive software presentation movies like Prayer Man. More Than Just A Fuzzy Picture. from late 2015. That movie was a little overlong (near 100 minutes) and I thought I should do four chapters instead.

 

I quickly followed by the Interrogations paper, but this particular subject proved to be a bit of a mission and took a few edits to get it to the shape it is in now.

The first edit reduced the paper by 100 pages, but since picking up more and more material from the Blunt archives.The recent additions about the TSBD and Prayer Man did not take as much time to put together as the interrogations one. But then I got involved with digitising the Malcolm Blunt archives and that delayed me for at least two years since this archival job proved to be huge and very time consuming.

Even with this release I can tell you that papers 3 and 4 will be updated by end of summer with a set of interview transcripts of former TSBD employees. And I am also toying of merging all four papers into one story. Whether that will be turned into a book is another kettle of fish.

But now having finished these four papers and knowing there will be another major update before year’s end due to the considerable amount of additional material put forward I will try and condense it all into one paper. There is the idea that there will be a series of 10 minute clips that go deeper into the circumstances and settings around Lee Harvey Oswald’s presence inside the TSBD during the assassination of  John F Kennedy. We will see in a few months.

I hope you enjoy reading the wealth of material and evidence put together by me and with the additional help of Malcolm Blunt’s documents.

At some point some bullet point versions will be released which summarise the evidence brought forward, which then enables the viewer to go through a dozen pages with all pivotal elements highlighted.

#payattentionbrian

June 2022 update

Greetings!

First of all a small discovery in Darnell, finally some better focus on the group in  the James Darnell film that is about to and is ascending the steps on the bottom left stairs. We can see two women who ascending who both look to the left down on Elm St. Click the photo below. This shot, even though at miserable quality, allows me to discern what is actually happening on the bottom left of the steps. In other Darnell copies the frames are way over exposed and blurred.   #payattentionbrian !!!!

The TSBD workers ascending the stairs. Click to enlarge.

At this time my money is on Patricia Ann Donaldson being the woman with the scarf over her head. And the other lady in black (ID still unknown) is the one who stood next together on Elm.

Patricia Ann Donaldson in the Dave Wiegman film on Nov 22 1963. Click to enlarge.

Then the Anatomy papers, I like to think I am done for now. There has been about a two year delay due to my activities with the Malcolm Blunt archives. This delay was needed due to the quality of documentation found at Malcolm’s. And the problem with that was that it was spread all over his filing cabinets inside many unmarked folders. I was not just digitising the archives, but I was discovering at the same time.  So that meant that getting these papers ready took way longer than originally thought. After April 2021 I barely looked at them until I had finished with scanning the first phase of Malcolm’s documents in Nov last year. In Dec I started to research, create two new papers and  and make amendments to earlier released papers.

Yet I also know that there will be some updated content in the form of quotes of interviews of various people being added in the near foreseeable future.  We spoke with Roy Edward Lewis in 2018 and 2022 and this material is being transcribed as we speak. Plus a set of other interviews, so that update will be there by end of Summer. The only other question remains is to condense all work into one file instead of four.

And thanks for the great feedback on my previous article, a newish chapter of the Anatomy of the Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter

I reckon in about a week the papers shall be released for y’all to plough through. Until then!

 

The Destruction of Lee Oswald’s Alibi & The Invention of the Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter

The Destruction of Lee Oswald’s Alibi & The Invention of the Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter.

 

I have been investigating the second floor lunchroom encounter for several years now and have offered plenty of evidence that shows that this particular event was a fugezi from the word go. My first paper Anatomy of the Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter which had its first release in 2016 showed a lot of evidence that questioned this so called encounter. Three years later the paper had doubled in size with  a ton more evidence to show this encounter was one of the worst fakes created. This is a new amended chapter which will appear as part of my new Anatomy of the Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter paper. This paper and the other two will be released early June.

In my second paper, I discuss the interrogations of Lee Oswald in depth, but here I will only add the parts in relation to the first floor and the second floor lunch room encounter.

During the first interrogation Will Fritz spoke with Oswald (and have detectives Richard Sims and Elmer Boyd sit in with him). This was a standard tactic for having an extra person or two sit in with the one who did the questioning, this was to support in court what was being said. In the USA there were no tape recorded interrogations until two decades later. Fritz, Boyd and Sims must have been alone with Oswald for 30-45 minutes as FBI agents Hosty and Bookhout did not arrive and joined this interrogation not until 15:15 hrs. No one knows what was said during that period. From this first interrogation with the FBI present are a few notes and reports to look at. The official FBI report that represents the questions and answers of this first interrogation is the joint Bookhout & Hosty report. However this was not made up until the next day Nov 23rd  

James Bookhout and James P Hosty FBI Report Nov 23 1963. Click to enlarge. From Mary Ferrell.

James Bookhout and James P Hosty FBI Report Nov 23 1963. Click to enlarge. From Mary Ferrell.

James Hosty and James Bookhout of the FBI state in their joint November 23 report: “OSWALD stated that he went to lunch at approximately noon and he claimed he ate his lunch on the first floor in the lunchroom; however he went to the second floor where the Coca-Cola machine was located and obtained a bottle of Coca-Cola for his lunch. OSWALD claimed to’ be on the first floor when President JOHN F. KENNEDY passed by his building.” 

This Nov 23rd report:

  1. Does not mention the specific location of Oswald on the first floor at the time of the assassination, which Oswald did tell them (more about that in a mo).
  2. Nor does it mention any encounter involving Oswald, a police officer and Roy Truly.
  3. He got the coke for his lunch not after the assassination!

This was the only official report from that first interrogation issued the day after it had happened. No one of the Dallas police had issued a report and when they did, it was after Oswald’s death.

By James Hosty’s own admission he did take notes during that first interrogation and he was the only one. First in his own notebook. He scribbled partial phrases in his notebook that I am reproducing below.

Notebook notes from James P Hosty of the FBI. From NARA, thanks to Malcolm Blunt. Click to enlarge.

James Hosty claimed he had destroyed these notes, after the report had been typed up and submitted, as per FBI procedure, yet when his book Assignment Oswald was released according to him these notes had ‘re-appeared’ in his desk drawer. A miracle or was Hosty breaking bureau protocol keeping these notes as a souvenir?

In relation to Oswald’s whereabouts the following sticks out: “First floor outside office” which could relate to where Oswald was when the motorcade passed by. And I tend to lean that way, mainly after comparing the notes above with the ones I post a little further below. And also after comparing these with Fritz’s handwritten notes, more about these later on. Also make yourself aware of the so called ‘sectioning’ on these notes. It seems to group unrelated bits together.

But! Once again there is not a mention of any altercation with Marrion Baker nor a mention of Roy Truly.

But then in Feb. 2019 I found a document amongst a set of so called “Hosty files” in Malcolm Blunt’s archive collection. This particular document, written on the back of a sheet of printed affidavit paper of the Dallas police states something that eventually was deep sixed by Hosty and the others only to re-appear when Malcolm Blunt copied the entire set of Hosty papers twenty years ago at the archives in Washington. Through investigating I have found out that Hosty handed these over to the ARRB in 1996. Malcolm himself did not realise he had this bomb shell in his filing cabinet and only when I went through the whole folder to scan it all in for the new D.P.U.K. website did it appear. I decided to publish this document right away at my website’s diary.

James P Hosty Sept 1975. Click to enlarge.

The text that is key to Hosty’s handwritten report is: “O stated he was present for work at the T.S.B.D. on the morning of the 22nd and at noon went to lunch. He went to 2nd floor to get a coca cola to eat with lunch and returned to 1st floor to eat lunch. Then he went outside to watch P. Parade.”  It is safe to say that P. stands for Presidential.

An important element of this paragraph is that he got his coke for his lunch which was before the shots were fired. This aspect is re-confirmed in the joint Hosty/Bookhout report. Again no mention of a lunchroom encounter, Baker and/or Truly.

And then there is the hammer that states that Oswald was outside to watch the Presidential Parade. This lead was swept under the carpet by all those who were present and never repeated again.

Oswald interrogation notes Nov 22 1963. James P Hosty. Thanks to Malcolm Blunt. Click to enlarge.

In Hosty’s book Assignment Oswald he described how he kept on taking notes even after the interrogation. “I headed back to Fritz’s office, where I knew the police were keeping Oswald’s personal belongings. Nothing there, but in the second inner office, which belonged to Lieutenant Walter Potts, I spotted Oswald’s things, which had been removed from his person and from his apartment at the Oak Cliff rooming house. Among the items on Potts’s desk was Oswald’s black address book. I pulled out my pad of blank police affidavit forms and started transcribing the entries in his book, thinking I might find some interesting leads or even some possible co-conspirators”.

 Then if you compare the notebook pages and the handwritten partial draft statement above, something else becomes apparent. They show near identical sections.

James P Hosty interrogation notes and pre-report. Graphic: BK. Click to enlarge.

James Hosty used his notebook notes to compile this draft on D.P.D. affidavit paper, and this also means that the phrase “1st floor entrance office” in Hosty’s notebook notes directly relates to Oswald’s whereabouts as described in the draft on the D.P.D. affidavit paper (the green highlighted areas on both documents). Before the Feb. 2019 find it was assumed that “first floor entrance office” was related to Warren Caster’s visit when he showed Roy Truly and a few others two rifles he had brought in. But closer study of the sections show that inside there are unrelated matters “grouped” together. “First floor entrance office” means first floor entrance of the office.

He writes in his book Assignment Oswald, about an exchange, from his memory how the questioning went on during that first interrogation.

Okay now, Lee, you work at the Texas School Book Depository, isn’t that right?

Yeah, that’s right.

When did you start working there?

About October fifteenth

What did you do down there?

I was just a common labourer.

Now, did you have access to all floors of the building?

Of course.

Tell me what was on each of those floors.

The first and second floors have offices. The third and fourth floor are storage. So are the fifth and sixth.

And you were working there today, is that right?

Yep.

Were you there when the president’s motorcade went by?

Yeah.

Where were you when the president went by the book depository?

I was eating my lunch in the first floor lunchroom.

What time was that?

About noon.

Were you ever on the second floor around the time the president was shot?

Well, yeah. I went up there to get a bottle of Coca-Cola from the machine for my lunch.

But where were you when the president actually passed your building?

On the first floor in the lunchroom.

And you left the depository, isn’t that right?

Yeah.

When did you leave?

Well, I figured with all the confusion there wouldn’t be any more work to do that day.

Again Oswald, according to Hosty’s recollections, be it almost 40 years later, Oswald got the coke for his lunch and makes no mention of an encounter with Baker. Hosty also makes mention of the reason why Oswald left work. But what is significant is that the 2nd floor lunch room encounter simply does not exist at that time.

Not for long that is, so get ready for a lil’ twist.

Nat Pinkston.

Unbeknown to James Hosty and James Bookhout, their colleague, Nat Pinkston is busy inside the TSBD shortly after the first interrogation to ‘rectify’ matters so Lee Harvey Oswald becomes the guilty party.

In Sept. 2019 I posted an article called Nat Pinkston and the Snack Room Encounter. This article contained the document I had found that year in Malcolm Blunt’s archive and is to me the first documented evidence of a mentioning of an encounter in the second floor lunchroom. The document is dated L1/22/63 and I am not sure what L1 stands for, but let’s assume it stands for November 22nd. The other thing is that Nat Pinkston submitted other reports on Nov 22 using this L1 in the date.

Besides the description of the encounter there is another element that is very interesting and helps with dating this even more precise.

The last two paragraphs relate to the sighting of guns inside the building in front of Roy Truly’s office being observed by Oswald. This particular matter is being recorded during the first interrogation of Oswald by James Hosty in his notes. This of course is being reported to FBI HQ and investigated further, and in this case Pinkston questions Roy Truly about this. So a few hours after this, the second floor lunch room encounter is being ‘created’ as such & written up in this report. This is the closest piece of reporting of creating a 180 and assign blame to Oswald for shooting The President. This document is released before the joint Bookhout-Hosty report. That by itself is a miracle since it was Bookhout & Hosty that were present at the interrogation and Pinkston was not! And he introduces this new accusation that cements Oswald’s guilt of shooting The President. This report runs parallel with the joint Book-Hosty report and it is even released before theirs.

Nat Pinkston’s Nov 22 1963 report. Inserting the second floor lunchroom encounter.
With thanks to Malcolm Blunt.. Click to enlarge.

What follows next is another report from J Doyle Williams and Nat Pinkston on that very same day of Roy Truly. It apparently has been dictated on the 22nd, but is not typed up until the day after. The phrase “they saw no one else in the building at that time” further below in that statement rings hollow, since two black employees (Troy Eugene West and Eddie Piper) were on the first floor, Truly even spoke with Piper! The fourth floor had several women near the staircase within minutes after the shooting looking at the scenes in the railroad yard down below. Also closer inspection of the Darnell film, of the people on the stairs showing that several people made their way up to go inside before Baker & Truly.

FBI Affidavit Roy Truly by J Doyle Williams & Nat A Pinkston. Click to enlarge. From: Mary Ferrell.

FBI agent Kenneth B Jackson interviews Roy Truly again on the 23rd.

FBI Affidavit Roy Truly by Kenneth B Jackson Nov 23 1963. Click to enlarge. Mary Ferrell.

Then you have the joint Hosty and Bookhout report from the 22nd, but not dictated until the 23rd, and it shows that the so called “second floor lunchroom encounter internal communique” has not been passed on to both Hosty & Bookhout as they just create the report that is based on James Hosty’s notes and their collective memory of that interrogation, which once more, does not contain any encounter at all, since Oswald got his coke for his lunch.

So while Hosty and Bookhout create their real report there is already a fake one in play by Nat Pinkston only just after the first interrogation has been finished.

And then Bookhout gets the nod and produces another report on the 24th. Oswald has been shot dead earlier that day and this report contradicts his joint report with James Hosty on a few occasions.

FBI Affidavit James W Bookhout Nov 25 1963. Click to enlarge. From: Mary Ferrell.

In the above solo report by James Bookhout on November 24 things are turned around a bit, but not for the better.

“Oswald stated that on November 22 1963, at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers, he was on the second floor of said building, having just purchased a Coca-Cola from the soft-drink machine, at which time a police officer came into the room with pistol drawn and asked him if he worked there.

Mr. Truly was present and verified that he was an employee and the police officer thereafter left the room and continued through the building. Oswald stated that he took this Coke down to the first floor and stood around and had lunch in the employee’s lunch room. He thereafter went outside and stood around for five or ten minutes with foreman Bill Shelley.”

First, he mentions “at the time of the search of the Texas School Book Depository building by Dallas police officers” while Baker was the only police officer in that building for a fair amount of time (5 mins is reasonable to assume) and that is if Baker went in as fast he said he went; everyone else on the force was busy in the railroad yard. Or this is an indication that Oswald was in the building much later than he has been ‘credited’ for? Like 15 minutes by any chance?

Secondly, Oswald had purchased a coke, which from a timing perspective makes it already ‘interesting’ (getting the correct change out, putting it in the machine and waiting for the bottle to appear and take the cap off). Neither Truly nor Baker saw anything in his hands. Although Baker messed that up with his handwritten report on Sept. 23rd 1964, the day before the W.C. report was issued and it was sent rapido to Washington.

Thirdly, Oswald stood around and had lunch after the shooting, and even stood outside with Bill Shelley for 5/10 minutes after having had his lunch. Shelley who was not seen outside the building after returning from his ‘trip’ with Billy Lovelady and seen much later escorting Garcia and Williams to a police car. So how long was Lee Oswald in that building?  According to this second report, for quite some time, which makes one wonder, how the bus/cab ride transpired, changing his clothes and ‘grabbing his gun’ and walk towards 10th and Patton and blow Tippit away. Nor does this rhyme with the W.C. conclusion that he was gone in 2.5 minutes! This cannot be done at any time from a timing perspective as described by James Bookhout!

This document is used to toe the line with the creation of the second floor lunchroom encounter.

So far we have only seen the reports and notes of Hosty and Bookhout of the FBI. James Hosty mentions in his Church Committee testimony that he was the only person taking notes during that very first interrogation. Hosty was called away from any further interrogations whereas Bookhout stayed on until Sunday morning.

  • Will Fritz only made up an official undated and unsigned report weeks after. This report has been seen in various versions. Fritz was not seen taking any notes during that first or any other interrogations. He himself claimed he took no notes, as this wasn’t his style of interrogating someone. He had ample opportunity to call in a camera and/or audio recording equipment since the corridor was filled to the brim with reporters and cameramen. One of the typists inside the Robbery & Homicide office could have assisted him transcribing the session. None of these options were used by him.

In my Anatomy of Lee Harvey Oswald’s Interrogations paper I quote several people regarding the recording of Fritz’s interrogations (pages 9-13). That notes were made by him must have taken everyone by surprise when they came to light thru an anonymous donation to the ARRB in late 1996. These notes were ‘buried’ for more than 33 years! So people had to make do with Fritz’s undated and unsigned statement from Dec. 1963 and his Warren Commission testimony. The handwritten notes are not contemporary, as a matter of fact no one knows when these were made. Some suspect Fritz copied Bookhout’s notes.

Will Fritz outside room 317, Homicide & Robbery Bureau. Click to enlarge.

Fritz’s interrogation notes display a few interesting bits when it comes to Lee Oswald’s location just before, during and just after the assassination. But they have to be considered carefully due to the fact that they were made after the interrogations.

Will Fritz’s Oswald interrogation notes. Page 1. Click to enlarge. From: Mary Ferrell.

On page 1, above, it states:

claims 2nd floor coke when

off came in

Oswald had a coke from the 2nd floor when the officer came in. Came in where? 1st? 2nd? “when off came in” looks inserted at a later time.

More about this in a  minute.

to first floor had lunch

Oswald had lunch on the 1st floor.

out with Bill Shelley in front

Oswald knew Shelley was standing in front of the building. And that is before the shooting, not after! As Shelley had departed almost immediately after the shooting from the TSBD steps. Entering the T.S.B.D. from the west side. And he was not seen again outside until 13:30.

Will Fritz’s Oswald interrogation notes. Page 3. Click to enlarge. From: Mary Ferrell.

On page 3 of the same set of Fritz’s interrogation notes from Nov. 23rd the Domino Room and Oswald’s lunch come into play. Something Fritz never investigated any further, why not?

says two negro came in

one Jr + short negro – ask? for lunch says cheese sandwiches + apple

-Oswald saw Jarman and possibly Norman come in to the Domino room while he had his lunch. Lunch consisted of cheese sandwiches and an apple.

Looking at both these pages one thing becomes evident. That is that a new sentence does not start on a new line, but midway as well, this leaves his notes open to interpretation. A forum post by Sean Murphy explains this with samples.

In his report to Chief Curry from November 23 1963 Fritz says: “We also found that this man had been stopped by Officer M.L. Baker while coming down the stairs. Mr. Baker says that he stopped this man on the third or the fourth floor on the stairway, but as Mr. Truly identified him as one of the employees he was released”. The third or fourth floor refers to Baker’s first statement.

 Fritz’s undated report, in draft mode states: “I asked him what part of the building he was in when the president was shot, and he said that he was having his lunch about that time on the first floor. Mr. Truly had told me that one of the police officers had stopped this man immediately after the shooting near the back stairway, so I asked Oswald where he was when the police officer stopped him. He said he was on the second floor drinking a coca cola when the officer came in.” This just blends it all very nicely together.

Will Fritz‘s typed report from December 23 states: “We also found out that this man had been stopped by officer M.L. Baker while coming down the stairs. Mr. Baker says that he stopped this man on the third or the fourth floor of the stairway, but as Mr. Truly identified the man as one of his employees, he was released. This very same report falsely claims that Oswald’s working area was mostly on the second floor! It would actually be one of the least frequented areas for him actually.

Will Fritz’s typed report from Dec 23rd 1963. From: UNT.

His W.C. testimony:

Mr. BALL. Did you ask him what happened that day; where he had been?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mr. FRITZ. Well he told me that he was eating lunch with some of the employees when this happened, and that he saw all the excitement and he didn’t think, I also asked him why he left the building. He said there was so much excitement there then that “I didn’t think there would be any work done that afternoon and we don’t punch a clock and they don’t keep very close time on our work and I just left.”
Mr. BALL. At that time didn’t you know that one of your officers, Baker, had seen Oswald on the second floor?
Mr. FRITZ. They told me about that down at the bookstore; I believe Mr. Truly or someone told me about it, told me they had met him, I think he told me, person who told me about, I believe told me that they met him on the stairway (Fritz has trouble composing himself-BK), but our investigation shows that he actually saw him in a lunch room, a little lunch room where they were eating, and he held his gun on this man and Mr. Truly told him that he worked there, and the officer let him go. (so regardless of an encounter on the stairway Fritz declared it happening inside the lunchroom???-BK)
Mr. BALL. Did you question Oswald about that?
Mr. FRITZ. Yes, sir; I asked him about that and he knew that the officer stopped him all right.
Mr. BALL. Did you ask him what he was doing in the lunch room?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he was having his lunch. He had a cheese sandwich and a Coca-Cola.
Mr. BALL. Did he tell you he was up there to get a Coca-Cola?
Mr. FRITZ. He said he had a Coca-Cola.

Martha Joe Stroud corresponded with the Warren Commission that Fritz was not happy with his deposition and would not sign it unless corrections were applied. Nor would have the original archived as such at NARA. And there seem to be two versions of his statement. I would love to see the difference between the two!

Thanks to Robin Unger. Click to enlarge.

Oswald has gone for lunch and stayed in the Domino Room after he had gotten his Coke from the second floor. Many must have seen him getting his coke, since the ladies from the 2nd floor offices started to have their lunch at about 12:00 in the second floor lunch room, some of whom did not leave to watch the parade until 12:20-12:25.

The Domino Room was in the back at the north eastern end of the building, and the infamous back stairs were not far away and had direct access to them. And as stated above In the Hosty & Bookhout notes and statements he got the coke for his lunch.

The Secret Service was present too, Forrest Sorrels and Thomas J Kelley were there during some of Lee Oswald’s interrogations on the 23rd.

  • Thomas J Kelley is the only one who supplies an interrogation report that actually goes so far as to claim that Oswald explicitly admitted to not having watched the motorcade. In his First interview with LHO he states:

“At this time Captain Fritz showed a Selective Service Card that was taken out of his wallet which bore the name of Alex Hidell. Oswald refused to discuss this after being asked for an explanation of it, both by Fritz and by James Bookhout, the FBI Agent. I asked him if he viewed the parade and he said he had not. I then asked him if he had shot the President and he said he had not. I asked him if he has shot governor Connally and he said he had not”.

Now look at the bottom of the page of the Fritz notes and compare and you see that Fritz may have been a bad record keeper, but I doubt he would have left a jewel of the ‘parade’ question and answer like that out in his notes. Kelley’s bit is suspect as a 3 dollar bill.

Not one word about the parade. And that is because he did not give that answer at all.

Will Fritz’s Oswald interrogation notes. Page 4. Click to enlarge. From: Mary Ferrell.

JFK Revisited Through The Looking Glass & Destiny Betrayed

JFK Revisited Through The Looking Glass & Destiny Betrayed

 

Last November 2021 the new Oliver Stone & Jim DiEugenio documentary film JFK Revisited Through The Looking Glass was released. Oliver Stone had quite a mission getting this documentary shared to the masses as National Geographic and Netflix had passed on screening it. It was his visit and showing at the Cannes festival that got things on track and he managed find distributors. I have watched a fair bit of JFK assassination documentaries these last 20 years, but I always have an issue with all of them, they all intend to cram in as much info as possible in them. Take a detective like Jim Leavelle i/e who was there over the three day period and summarises it in two or three sentences, where is the value in that? It never seems to work, the real evidence is missing and it is only his opinion. Also due to this assassination from a subject p.o.v. being so widespread, there is simply too much information available to squeeze in the allotted time. It is a recipe for failure. These two documentaries suffer the same issue a bit, but this one also has a huge advantage over all the others, it is evidence based for almost 100%. The people you see talking on the screen are the ones that went to the archives in Washington and pulled the records out. Not opinionated lone nutters or conspiracy theorists who never hunted for the evidence ever before. Actually labelling these people in the documentaries as conspiracy theorists is a massive insult especially when it is only archival evidence that is presented. Some reviews of these two films seem to have missed that particular meeting or just have a grudge against Stone from the word go. These type of clowns were there 30 odd years ago and obviously they are present now.

For the record I watched the 2 hour version on Showtime in Nov. 2021 and Feb 2022. And the four hour version on SKY in Dec 2021 and Feb 2022. It appears that the rest of the world gets its chance early March. I will try not to spoil too much, if you cannot handle a spoiler here and there then I suggest you quit now.

The 2 hour version, by the looks of it, uses the same material as the four hour version, but it is edited in a different way and there are some bits that get more prominence in the two hour version than they have in the 4 hour one. I will start with the two hour version titled “JFK: Revisited Through The Looking Glass”. The documentary starts with the announcements of JFK, eventually being shot and next it goes to footage of Parkland hospital where the DPD is busy cordoning the entrance off. The first thing you notice is that some of the HD film scans look very lush. At the same time some of the grainier material looks even grainier. Digitising film either makes it look great or just the opposite, there is no middle ground here. But when it does look great it really does.

DPD and USSS in front of the limo at Parkland hospital. Malcolm Kilduff in the centre of the pic. Click to enlarge.

There is also a shot of reporters leaving the press bus and make their way towards the area above. In this shot we can see at least four Dallas P.D. detectives, wearing their distinctive hats, conferring in front of this bus in the background.

Dallas PD detectives in front of press bus at Parkland hospital while the reporters rush towards the entrance. Click to enlarge

Following is a sequence of footage of Oswald in the third floor corridor inside City Hall, getting shot by Ruby and also the Warren Commission. This sequence differs with the four hour version. The issue I have with it is that there is no proper chronology factor in the footage present and everything is just mixed up and even the audio is just randomly mixed in. It is for dramatic effect, and not much else. Trying to put it in the right order is very difficult, I know as I have tried and managed to put some segments at the right time in my Anatomy of Lee Harvey Oswald’s Interrogations paper (new updated version out in April 2022), but there are also some bits where I have no exact timestamp since some of the footage is silent.

Then the bullets and especially the magic bullet are discussed. The interactive sequence showing the NARA pictures of the Magic bullet (CE 399) and also the chain of evidence is very convincingly presented. The rifle is next with Brian Edwards adding his commentary. I am just over 30 minutes in and the evidence presented up till then is already the death of the Warren Commission’s conclusion and moreover crucifies the sloppy and contradictory work of the DPD, USSS and the FBI.

Barry Ernest and his work on Victoria Adams is next and I will get back about this later as it has more in the longer documentary. The autopsy and its photographs and the people who are involved with them are next. Especially the photographic aspect of it all is lapped up by me, I simply love it.

Parkland hospital and nurses – JFK headshot. Click to enlarge.

New Orleans is next, we get to see William Gaudet of which Malcolm Blunt gathered a fair bit of documents here and here and the other usual aspects such as David Ferrie, Guy banister and Clay Shaw are featured. The James P Doyle film of Oswald handing out pamphlets of the FPCC is of good quality. Then we move to various subjects such as Oswald/CIA/Defection to Russia/Chicago Plot/Africa that are discussed in more detail in the four hour version further below. Overall the two hour version has some really good bits, there is more emphasis on specific elements like the magic bullet in this film. And if you like(d) the two hour version then you will be in hog heaven with the four hour one: JFK: Destiny Betrayed.

The intro music and footage of this one is superb, it is the same music brought to everyone back in the early 90s with Stone’s film, that tension element of it hasn’t aged one single bit. The film starts with the antics of the Warren Commission.

Members of the Warren Commission on their Dallas visit in 1964. Click to enlarge.

There is a bit of Cuba and the CIA/Anti-Castro matters entwined that were being played out in the late 50’s and early 60s. Then it is back to more WC. And then the documentary goes further afield by bringing the mess that the Belgians had left behind in Congo and the CIA is heavily involved with removing and killing Patrice Lumumba and all this is dropped in JFK’s lap and he works hard on getting things sorted. This episode by itself is very interesting to read about. There is also a very good documentary about this era called Murder in the Bush: Cold Case Hammarskjöld. I suggest you try and find it.

Just when you have settled in with a subject matter things change into a different direction. I understand there is only that much time for putting a case forward, but why present it this fragmented? And some of these subjects do return in following chapters. I am reasonably well read on the entire subject matter, but the majority of viewers are not and may be getting confused by this scattered approach. While the Africa segment is good, it deserves some more time. It then switches to the committees such as Church, Schweiker and the HSCA. There are still many documents from these three commissions redacted, classified or simply gone without a trace. My time with Malcolm Blunt’s huge personal archive has given me some good insights about what was going on, but even with what I was able to digitise it still is largely incomplete. Richard Schweiker’s remark on Jack Ruby and the Warren Commission is simply priceless. I will not spoil it any further.

Next is Robert Groden, a person I am not too comfortable with due to his truth economics. I have seen and read a couple myself and I have issues with that. I also find his Zapruder film copy not that good now shown in 2K, that is if it actually has been scanned recently and is not the same copy of what was used in Stone’s movie 30 years ago. I am looking forward seeing this all in 4K. For someone who does not own one iota of copyright on all these films and photos he has submitted for usage he sure has turned it into a lucrative business over the last 40 years. He is credited as a photographic consultant. It seems that the Sixth Floor Museum would not assist Stone with their cache of film and photo materials and this does get brought up somewhat, i/e with the Zapruder film. The Sixth Floor Museum should have cooperated with the Stone crew since they have a goldmine of great quality material. This likewise deserves a frown….it tends to point as to what side they are still on.  I reckon Groden, who was part responsible for the HSCA creation and Stone whose film got the ARRB erected have something in common and in part can credit themselves for what they did in retrospect.

Robert Groden, Dealey Plaza. Click to enlarge.

Next thing the first episode of the documentary brings up is Oswald’s alibi and I can only conclude that the makers make a whopper of a mistake by solely relying on the research of Barry Ernest and that is just not good enough. Perhaps ten years ago it may have carried some weight, but not any more. Plus if you can go all guns blazing on the autopsy related matters and bring a set of researchers forward then why not on Oswald’s last 46 hours. In the last ten years there has been a wagon load of new evidence brought up. This website digs a lot deeper than what Ernest wrote and a huge opportunity to set the record straight was missed. I am not sure whether this is because certain politics are being played in the background and only put forward a theory which many older conspiracy theorists have subscribed and cemented themselves to. This is something an uber liar like Will Fritz and fellow law enforcement personnel have put forward and has been a ‘belief’ of these conspiracy theorists ever since. There is a ton of evidence which disputes this lunchroom encounter ever happening. Furthermore there is nothing put forward with regards Oswald’s interrogations and the reports thereof and where and what he was doing during these crucial moments of the JFK Assassination. The job done on this segment of the documentary is a letdown, to say the least. I wish to make clear that I am not putting myself forward as someone that should have been part of this documentary. I will be doing my own thing later this year. The case I have to present will be multi faceted and would not stand a chance, due to time constraints, on a platform as this docu.

Episode two and it’s autopsy time, quite a few heavy hitters are there and it is fact after fact that gets presented to the viewer and I have to say that it is great to see them doing this, for the 2 hour version this was my fave section. The medical & autopsy sections, could fill more than a solid hour by itself. Again the facts obliterate the official version. What does deserve a separate mention is Malcolm Perry who stated during a press conference, of which all audio has been suppressed/confiscated/stolen fill in by yourself, but a transcript 1327 C still exists, and I suggest to check out page 5. The throat wound is an entrance wound and ‘people’ called Dr Perry that same evening and wanted him to change that. That amounts to two frontal shots…….

Then it is back to foreign policy; Vietnam, Algeria, Iran, Guatemala, Indonesia and so on. Followed by more Warren Commission and the shooting sequence, the rifle and the bullets.

Carl Day and the Carcano.

Then Oswald gets his chance to appear and there is a fair bit of hallway footage of which most is already available on YouTube, this is just better quality, but there is too much cutting for my liking. Nor is there any chronology in this segment. Pivotal bits are left out. BUT! The biggest faux pas is the horn honking in the basement sequence just before Ruby kills Oswald and is presented as some sort of ‘go’ signal for the killing to be happening. Nothing could be further removed from the truth. If you watch the entire sequence of film taken way before the shooting you would understand that several times horns are honking as the armored truck which was supposed to be taking Oswald to prison was replaced for Fritz’s car. In the video you can see a car coming in and going out and the horn is being used to alert the gathered cops and press of their movements. The first double honk is at 11:10, the next one at 11:44, then 11:48, at 12:25 a car is coming through and the press needs to break up at roughly the spot where Ruby was positioned before he leaped out, 12:51 another honk, at 13:21 Will Fritz becomes visible and the horn honks again and finally at 13:25 just while Ruby is leaping out the final honk. Nothing funny nor conspiratorial about it. The car is actually coming down the ramp while Oswald is being shot. As you can see Ruby’s jacket is being lit up by the front head light and the car rolled down the ramp while Ruby had jumped in. The car slightly touches Ruby and makes him lose his balance a tad, and is enough for the cops to jump on him and wrestle the gun away from him. This is a blemish on otherwise a very strong documentary. And that is because it did not check the evidence properly.

Jack Ruby shoots Lee Harvey Oswald. Will Fritz has a so called ‘HUH’ moment. Click to enlarge.

That this whole transfer was as amateurish as a local village cabaret show is beyond any reasonable doubt. Will Fritz walked way too far ahead of Oswald and his escort and created a gap for Ruby to jump in to kill him.  Fritz’s response to this ‘thing’ was even more laughable and can be seen in the shot above when Ruby has shot Oswald already.

George G Burkley. Click to enlarge.

Episode three starts of with Rear Admiral George G Burkley and more of the autopsy, and he does not care to be quoted on how many bullets entered Kennedy’s body. Well if that isn’t telling then what is. Then over the next 30 or so minutes more facts are coming forward related to the autopsy itself, the photos, the brain and so on, all this has a significant meaning. I will not spoil it any further, see it for yourself while you are machine gunned with documentation and statements. Then it goes into the bullets and the limo. And then it changes direction with Washington politics and the rest of the world. Latin America, Middle East, Cuba and Vietnam are for obvious reasons part of it. All of it is very interesting. John Newman, Doug Horne, James K Galbraith are the select few to add their knowledge to it. Lastly we get to the Air Force One tapes and General Curtis LeMay and the Bethesda autopsy where he was present and smoking a cigar.

The fourth and final episode begins with the intelligence angle(s) related to this case. Oswald being at the centre of it all while in Russia and the intelligence games surrounding it. Tennent ” Pete” Bagley is part of this segment, Bagley is someone Malcolm Blunt has been researching deeply and has been in contact with several times while he visited him in Brussels.

Malcolm Blunt & Oliver Stone. Click to enlarge.

Then it moves to whether the CIA was fully briefed and had records on Oswald and as Jefferson Morley points out that they had him on their radar once he defected to Russia in 1959. Up to a week before the assassination reports were being sent, a find by the ARRB. This is followed by the New Orleans chapter and of course the usual suspects pass by Guy Banister, David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, George Joannides and of course the DRE . The New Orleans chapter by itself would need at least an hour to do it some justice as the material that is around is vast (I should know as I scanned loads of it in).

Then the destruction of the Secret Service records is next, they did this after the ARRB had requested them. They were held in complete disregard and the USSS went along with the destruction anyway. This is then followed by the FBI’s cancellation (by Marvin Gheesling) of the Oswald FLASH only a few weeks before the assassination of JFK. It would mean that Lee Harvey Oswald was not on the security index and the Secret Service would not deem him to be a person of interest. If he had been then they would make sure he would not be in close vicinity of The President’s motorcade. The Chicago and Tampa plots are brought up as well, and it is especially the Chicago one that has some very disturbing facts to present. Jim Gochenaur talked to Elmer Moore and I suggest you check out some of these YouTube interviews after watching his part in this documentary. It is a pity Abraham Bolden is missing from this documentary.

Next are the Civil Rights issues that were a huge thing in the south of the US at that time. The funny thing is that this is very much overlooked when it comes to discussing the JFK Assassination. I myself find elements protruding into the investigation of the TSBD and the DPD in general. People rather avoid talking about it, yet it was quite a big part of Southern society at that time when the after effects of the horrific Jim Crow laws were still in play.

Finally it is back to foreign policy, better yet the change thereof after the assassination of JFK. John Newman shines a strong light on NSAM 273 of which some of the lingo is being deleted and re-written which is ordered by LBJ. Then the final moments are of MLK and RFK, as they were assassinated too. All three in a 5 year timespan.

Overall and taken both works into consideration my end verdict is 8.5/10. Of course there are bits that could have been done better, but take all of it into account and you are looking at a very solid documentary. It baffles me how some people review this documentary and try to nitpick through the wealth of evidence presented and then try to sow doubt or just hammer on about a small dispute without providing one iota of evidence against it. These losers deserve nothing but scorn for their agenda driven rubbish.

I say go watch them both, maybe not all in one go, but there is nothing else of this calibre around. I am upping the ante a tad more by stating that most other JFK assassination documentaries look like dog shit in comparison to the Stone & DiEugenio attempt.

It’s on SKY in the UK.

The links to some of the documents are from Malcolm Blunt’s archive. With thanks.