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Elmer Boyd.

 

Elmer Boyd who departed the TSBD alongside with Captain Fritz was present at the majority of Oswald’s interrogations (at least six of them), and he goes in fairly great detail during his Warren Commission testimony.

Elmer Boyd (front) and Will Fritz of the DPD leaving the TSBD. Photo: William Allen.

Mr. BALL. What did you do when you got there?
Mr. BOYD. Well, we went in and there was a good many people there-I don’t recall who all was there-I know we talked to Lieutenant Baker, and he told us that the man that shot Tippit was in the interrogation room and about 5 minutes or so after we were in the office, we took Lee Harvey Oswald out of there and brought him into Captain Fritz’ office and he talked to him in there.
Mr. BALL. Tell us about what time of day that was?
Mr. BOYD. I believe it was around 2:20 when we took him out in there; yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And who was there in the room with Oswald at that time?
Mr. BOYD. With Oswald at that time?
Mr. BALL. You took Oswald into Fritz’ office about 2:20?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL,. Who was there besides Oswald?
Mr. BOYD. Well, Captain Fritz, and let me see, there was some FBI agents.
Mr. BALLL. Do you remember their names?
Mr. BOYD. I know one came in just shortly thereafter and I remember Mr. Bookhout and Mr. Hosty came in right after we got in there.
Mr. BALL. And who else was there?
Mr. BOYD. Mr. Hall and Mr. Sims: M.G. Hall is our other partner.
Mr. BALL. He’s your other partner?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. And Sims was there, and was there a Secret Service man in there?
Mr. BOYD. Let me see-I think there was a Secret Service man there, but I don’t recall-I don’t know what his name was.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember what was said?
Mr. BOYD. Well, I don’t remember exactly what was said.
Mr. BALL. Well, in general, what was the substance of what was said?
Mr. BOYD. Well—-
Mr. BALL. Give me the substance.
Mr. BOYD. Well, I knew Captain Fritz asked him his name.
Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mr. BOYD. I think he told us his name. I think when he asked him-I’m sure he told him his name because he would talk for a while and then he would quit.
Mr. BALL. Did he ask him where he lived?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir; I think he asked him where he lived.
Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mr. BOYD. He said he lived over on Beckley.
Mr. BALL. Did he give the address?
Mr. BOYD. I believe that he said, well, I know he gave an address-I know he gave an address but he didn’t say if it was north or south-I remember that-he didn’t say if it was North Beckley or South Beckley and I remember another thing-Mr. Hosty came in and identified him himself, you know, as he came in.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean “identified him”?
Mr. BOYD. He took his identification out of his pocket and put it down there in front of him and told him who he was with.
Mr. BALL. He told Oswald his name and who he was with?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What else happened?
Mr. BOYD. Well, they participated in the interrogation-Mr. Hosty asked him some questions and he was pretty upset with Mr. Hosty.
Mr. BALL. What do you mean by that, what gave you that impression-what happened?

Oswald duly obliges by raising his hands by the photographers’ request. Boyd on the right.

Mr. BOYD. Well, just by Oswald’s actions, he said he had been to his house two or three times talking to his wife and he didn’t appreciate him coming out there when he wasn’t there.
Mr. BALL. Is that what he said to Hosty?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Anything else?
Mr. BOYD. I don’t recall-I know Mr. Hosty asked him several questions and finally he jumped up and hit the desk, Oswald did, and sat down, and like I say, he was pretty upset.
Mr. BALL. Was he handcuffed at that time?
Mr. BOYD. Yes; I believe he was handcuffed.
Mr. BALI,. Was he handcuffed with his hands behind him?
Mr. BOYD. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Had his hands been handcuffed behind him before he came into the room?
Mr. BOYD. I couldn’t say if they had or not-they could have been.
Mr. BALL. Do you know whether the handcuffs were changed after he got in the room?
Mr. BOYD. They could have been changed after he got in the room-I’m not certain.
Mr. BALL. Who changed them?
Mr. BOYD. I don’t recall.
Mr. BALL. Now, when Oswald jumped up and struck the desk, he struck the desk with what? With his hand?
Mr. BOYD. With his hands.
Mr. BALL. What did Hosty ask him before that?
Mr. BOYD. He had asked him about a trip to Mexico City?
Mr. BALL. Who did?
Mr. BOYD. Mr. Hosty.
Mr. BALL. What did Oswald say?
Mr. BOYD. He told him he hadn’t been to Mexico City.
Mr. BALL. What else?
Mr. BOYD. I don’t recall just exactly-I think that the words that he used when he was talking to Mr. Hosty was that he had been out there and accosted his wife, I believe that’s the words that he used and like I said, after he talked to him, he said he didn’t appreciate him coming out there to his house.
Mr. BALL. What was it that Hosty said before Oswald got up and struck the desk with his hand-what question did he ask?
Mr. BOYD. I don’t remember what the question was. I know it had something to do with-let me see–I’m not sure if he was still talking to him about his wife or the trip to Mexico City.
Mr. BALL. You remember he did ask him if he took a trip to Mexico?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Oswald said he had not?
Mr. BOYD. He said he had not been to Mexico.
Mr. BALL. And what did Hosty say to that?
Mr. BOYD. He asked him if he denied being to Mexico City-I’ve just forgotten-it wasn’t too awful long before that-I don’t recall just exactly what time that he said—I know it was something recent.
Mr. BALL. What did Oswald say?
Mr. BOYD. He said he had not been there.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember anything else that was said?
Mr. BOYD. No, sir not right offhand-I don’t.
Mr. STERN. Did he ask him anything about Russia?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir; something was asked him-I don’t recall who asked him about that, and he told us about going over to Russia, I believe he was there in 1959, or something like that-about 1959. I’ll tell you, I didn’t keep notes in there because of the fact I was sitting right beside Oswald-right in front of him more or less.
Mr. BALL. Did anybody keep notes?
Mr. BOYD. I saw the FBI man writing-they had a little book-across the table over there.
Mr. BALL. Did you have any microphones in there to record the conversation?
Mr. BOYD. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you as a practice record the interrogations of your prisoners?
Mr. BOYD. No, sir; we don’t.
Mr. BALL. How long did this take–how long was he questioned at this time?
Mr. BOYD. Let me see-we took him down to the first show up right after 4 o’clock, I think I have the exact time here-4 :05 is when we left.
Mr. BALL. Was he in Captain Fritz’ office from the time you took him in there-what time was that?
Mr. BOYD. At 2 :15-2 :20.
Mr. BALL. From 2 :20 until 4 o’clock?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.

A few excerpts:
Mr. BALL. You stayed there, didn’t you?
Mr. BOYD. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And you heard what was said?
Mr. BOYD. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Tell us what you heard.
Mr. BOYD. Well, I know Mr. Nash asked him a question or two.
Mr. BILL. What were they?
Mr. BOYD. I don’t recall what questions he asked.
Mr. BALL. Who else asked questions?
Mr. BOYD. Captain Fritz talked to him and-let me see-I don’t remember if Mr. Bookhout, it seemed like Mr. Bookhout asked a question or two. I believe all of them asked him something.
Mr. BALL. Do you know what they asked?
Mr. BOYD. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you remember what Oswald said?
Mr. BOYD. Well, let me see-no, sir; I can’t recall what he said; like I say, I didn’t keep notes there because I was sitting right near Oswald.

Elmer Boyd to the right of Lee Oswald at the press conference early on Nov 23rd.

Elmer Boyd to the right of Lee Oswald at the press conference early on Nov 23rd. Click pic to enlarge.

 

Elmer Boyd (2nd on the right).

Elmer Boyd (2nd on the right). Click pic. to enlarge.

 

 

In the HSCA testimony of Elmer Boyd  (thanks to Denis Morissette for this) things are mixed up, Boyd states: the notes he took (whereas during his W.C. testimony he did not take any notes!)  during the interrogations were transposed into his statement

Boyd, who is till alive was recently interviewed by Stephen Fagin of the 6th Floor Museum.

I have edited the interview with regards to relevance to Oswald, the interrogations and movements inside the DPD.

The full interview can be viewed HERE.

During this interview he says that Oswald denied shooting anybody. Oswald also stated that he had struck an officer and that he struck him back, which he should have.

At 1:51 the question arises regarding Oswald’s whereabouts during the assassination, and pay careful attention to Boyd’s mannerisms and body language (his hands) once it comes down to discussing this! This is from someone who was present during about half a dozen of these sessions of interrogations and also escorted Lee Oswald inside the building.  The bit where he ought to be forthcoming and he just isn’t. Again amnesia has kicked in……..

At 10:40 Boyd states that the DPD could have found out a lot more if Will Fritz would have had Oswald to himself without the interference of the FBI and the Secret Service. Something many have already made mention of. For the Reid Technique to succeed no doubt.

In an Oral History Interview for the 6FM in 2007 Boyd shuffles around a lot while talking and again says that Oswald would talk about anything except the murders of Tippit and J.F.K.,  Fritz’s notes and who else was there is being discussed. Elmer Boyd himself states that he was there during the interrogations for 75/80% (which would lead one to conclude he would have a much better story to tell than he has been doing all these years), overall Boyd looks extremely nervous while discussing this matter.

In the 2013 documentary “Capturing Oswald” Boyd says about Oswald’s interrogations: “He had an answer for everything. It may not be the right answer, but he’d give you an answer, you know.” After Hosty had joined the ‘party’ Boyd says: “He just came down like this and hit the table. And eh, he just quit. He just quit talking to him, he won’t talk to him anymore. I wish that Captain Fritz would have had time to talk to him by himself and one of us with him (which would have usually been the case-B.K.) I think we would have learned a lot more, I really believe that.”