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Who Was Prayer Man Podcast

Rob Clark did a podcast about a year ago on Prayer Man,  click to listen.

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Listening to it, and considering it is a year old it is missing a few bits of research. I will try and straighten a few things out if you intend to listen to it.

Prayer Man was captured by Dave Weigman and Jimmy Darnell, and not by Malcolm Couch, his swerve to the right with his camera did not go as far as the TSBD steps, but the Couch film is an asset nevertheless as it shows William Hoyt Shelley and Billy Nolan Lovelady walking away towards the parking lot behind the knoll. This is an important fact to know as it helps reduce the possible candidates of who Prayer Man actually is.

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Sean Murphy deserves the large part of the credit of creating Prayer Man, but the exact moment of discovery at this time, is hard to ascertain, that is because the JFK Lancer forum where this possibly happened has gone offline, the Education Forum hopes to reinstate it later, Summer 2016, so they say. It was supposed to be sorted in November this year but they have added at least 6 months on top of it.

The real discoverer of Prayer Man is Richard E Sprague (more about him when my essay is out) who mentioned the man hidden in the shadows, when he saw Dave  Weigman’s film. He mentioned it in the late 60’s already. His correspondence with Harold Weisberg and Richard Benarbei shows this.

Rob Clark makes good mention of the basic issues such as the first day affidavits of Baker, Lovelady and Shelly which do not correspond with the Warren Commission testimony.

He then talks about Bill Shelley, and the identification of him and the pictures that are around. This is where he is wrong. His identity has  been solved with the many pictures and the statements that are available of him. Shelly also said he escorted and was at the police station giving statements with Danny Garcia Arce and Bonnie Ray Williams.

Then he makes the statement that he cannot see Billy Lovelady in Dave Weigman’s film, well here he is Rob :) And that is and Prayer Man and Billy Nolan Lovelady together.

Lovelady in Weigman

 

Regarding Will Fritz’s interrogation notes it is not that simple, one needs to add James Bookhout’s and Harry D Holmes reports and testimony into account as well, and a different picture starts to emerge (again this site will show the hows etc in due course).

Jack Dougherty is brought up as well, and rightly so, to this day a very shady character with not much info available about him. His statements were so iffy, and Roy Truly told everyone not to pay too much attention to him as he was mildly retarded, yeah sure Roy. The Warren Commission wanted to grill Jack Dougherty big time as they did not believe what he was saying, well if the W.C. wants to seriously question someone then something is really amiss……

Rob Clark brings up a valid point that all TSBD employees should have been photographed when their testimony was taken, it would have helped of course.

Then Rob cannot believe that Oswald was standing there all that time while the shooting was going on and after and not being seen or recognised or mentioned in any of the testimony. He makes a mention of Lee Harvey Oswald getting change on the 2nd floor as per Robert Groden’s story, which has been disproved the minute it came out in his book. Jim Marrs tried to flog this one as well, but there is no evidence whatsoever that this actually happened. Nor did Oswald ever make a mention of it.

Can Buell Wesley Frazier be believed asks Rob, well no……

Rob is right to doubt the bus ride, the cab ride and the timings involved since they are not possible.

Could it be a stranger he asks, which has been disproved. Nor does it hold 100 employees, 79 at the most. The Warren Commission got 73 statements in the end.

The identification of the African American guy en-profile is not Otis Williams but Carl Edward Jones. Otis Williams and his pot belly stands in the center above Maddie Reese in Altgens 6.

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Overall not a bad attempt at discussing this but there is a lot missing, and I mean a lot, and as mentioned I will paste it all here on this site hopefully very soon.

 

Harold Weisberg

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Harold Weisberg. Pic courtesy of The Weisberg Archive.

Of all the researchers in the JFK Assassination case I probably regard Harold Weisberg the highest, granted he made some mistakes (doorman being LHO and leaking the first draft of the JFK movie script to a buddy of his at the Washington Post) but for those ‘mistakes’ he made up with his tenacious efforts of digging things up by either going to the National Archives in Wa., or by issuing FOIA or even go to court, together with Jim Lesar.

He found Carolyn Arnold’s (now known as Carolyn A. Johnston) statements. It was also his doing that Earl Golz found and interviewed her in 1978. Carolyn Arnold provided Lee Harvey Oswald an alibi.

Here is a fabulous interview on Barry Earnest’s site The Girl On The Stairs, this interview from 1999 still stands the test of time. His view is realistic and above all he doesn’t get carried away like the many other researchers.

Harold Weisberg’s archive is a treasure trove, not only for the documents he dug up but also all his correspondence, be it to government agencies but also fellow researchers. And then there are the letters where he lets rip on some of these fellow researchers, boy oh boy….

If you want to start digging then Weisberg’s archive is a great place to start, only thing is it may you a little while……don’t say I did not warn you.

His archive has helped me heaps with trying to piece all this together, and if you have a serious interest in this case I suggest you get the Whitewash series for starters.  Terrific reads.

Prayer Man essay update

I have been roaming at forums a little too much but I managed to get quite a bit of work done.

The essay, as it stands, is 430 pages (of which a lot are docs and pix) and I reckon it will grow by another 30 odd, it’s the linking and making the puzzle understandable that is the most work.

I hope to release it end of Oct. or early Nov. then again there are a few gaps which I hope to fill, so a delay is not of the books either, will update as soon as I have something more concrete to say…..

Prayer Man EBook

‘Biggest Thing’ – Parker/Laverick

Bernie Laverick made a video with Greg Parker’s words combined with his guitar playing and the many pix of Lee Harvey Oswald.

Well done Bernie!

 

 

ROKC Conference 2015

The venue is the Mercure, Spring St, Melbourne.

Dates Sat 21 and Sun 22

Time 8:30 am to 4:30 both days.

Speakers include: Gokay Hasan Yusuf, Gayle Nix Jackson, Vince Palamara, Colin Crow and many others.

More details about the ROKC conference by clicking this link.

Journalists Remember JFK Assassination-1993

A C-Span video from 1993 with Tom Alyea (bottom pic.), Kent Biffle, Bob Welch (also talking about Jimmy Darnell) and Tom Dillard (top pic.) present.

Watch the video HERE

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You Have Been Charged With Shooting The President

This is the moment of Lee Harvey Oswald being charged with shooting President JFK at the press conference, which was in reality nothing but a farce.

Check out the facial expressions he shows, which to me shows at first utter disbelief followed up by “I am being thrown under a bus here”.

I will place galleries in this post from various angles, conclude for yourself.

 

W.B. Barnett of the DPD

W.B. Barnett of the DPD

 

I found this document the other day while trawling for something else (always the way so it seems), and at ROKC, there is a fab thread about whether actually shots have been fired from the TSBD.

Eugene Barnett did not see a barrel being drawn in, or anything, shooting wise of any kind while looking up.

 

Part of his WC testimony:

Mr. LIEBELER – When the motorcade actually came, you moved over pretty much into Houston Street?
Mr. BARNETT – Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER – To stop the traffic that was coming?
Mr. BARNETT – South on Houston Street. the car passed within a few feet of me, and I was holding some people, or seeing that they stayed back, and one small boy started. I was afraid he was going to get too close, and I stopped him

Mr. LIEBELER – How many shots did you here?
Mr. BARNETT – Three.

Mr. LIEBELER – You couldn’t tell specifically where it had come from?
Mr. BARNETT – Not the first one, but I thought it was a firecracker. But none of the people moved or took any action, whereas they would have if a firecracker went off. And when the second shot was fired, it sounded high. The sound of the second one seemed to me like it was coming from up high, and I looked up at the building and I saw nothing in the windows. In fact, I couldn’t even see any windows at that time.

Mr. LIEBELER – What did you do when you concluded that the shots were coming from that building?
Mr. BARNETT – I ran to the back of the building.
Mr. LIEBELER – Ran down Houston Street?
Mr. BARNETT – Yes, sir.
Mr. LIEBELER – There is a door in the back of the Texas School Book Depository. Does it face on Houston or around the corner?

Mr. LIEBELER – Did you go in the building?
Mr. BARNETT – No, sir; I didn’t get close to it, because I was watching for a fire escape. If the man was on top, he would have to come down, and I was looking for a fire escape, and I didn’t pay much attention to the door. I was still watching the top of the building, and so far as I could see, the fire escape on the east side was the only escape down.
Mr. LIEBELER – Since you surmised that the shots had come from the building, you looked up and you didn’t see any windows open. You thought they had been fired from the top of the building?
Mr. BARNETT – That’s right.

Mr. LIEBELER – Did you see anybody coming off the fire escape up there, or any movement on top of the building?
Mr. BARNETT – Not a thing.

Mr. LIEBELER – How long do you think it was from the time the last shot was fired until the time you were at the front door keeping people from going in and out?
Mr. BARNETT – It was around 2 1/2 minutes. Maybe between 2 1/2 or 3 minutes.
Mr. BARNETT – Three minutes at the most.

Mr. LIEBELER – Did you let anybody out of the building after you got there?
Mr. BARNETT – No, sir; until they were authorized.
Mr. LIEBELER – Did you notice Oswald around that area at anytime?
Mr. BARNETT – No, sir

Mr. LIEBELER – Were there any other men assigned down the length of Elm Street here, that you know?
Mr. BARNETT – Not that I know of. There were no men stationed permanently there.
Mr. LIEBELER – The responsibility of control in that area would have been the job of the motorcycle riders and the Secret Service men?
Mr. BARNETT – That’s right.

 

There is a lot to show for to dispute the fact that 3 shots were actually fired from the 6th floor of the TSBD. No one saw muzzle flash, recoil or smoke for staters. Crown witness Howard Brennan was blind as a bat and could not account for much, and definitely not enough for Oswald to be there (that’s because he was enjoying lunch with Buell Wesley Frazier and co. on the front steps of the TSBD!).

 

 

WB Barnett to J Curry

No stranger on the front steps or inside the TSBD

I amended the graphics as I wanted to know how many of the TSBD employees stated whether they had seen any strangers inside or on the front steps of the TSBD. That strengthens  Prayer Man is a TSBD employee only more.

The graphics speak for themselves, the stranger on the steps scenario is dead in the water.

 

Update Sept 6th. I have added Roy Truly now as well stating he saw no strangers.

Update Sept 10th, also Avery Davis saw no strangers either which completes the entire list of people present on the front steps.

 

Mrs Robert Reid aka Jeraldean Reid

Looks like Stan Dane got lucky again,

Here is Mrs Robert Reid a.k.a. Jeraldean Reid.

Mrs Reid was born Jeraldean Bray on 24 August 1912 in Cedar Hill, Dallas. She was married to a Robert A Reid, and she died on 21 April 1973 in Oak Cliff Medical & Surgical Hospital, Dallas.

 

Her page with her witness testimony etc will be updated soon.

Jeraldean Bray

Geneva Hine

Stan Dane posted  pictures of  possible candidates for Geneva Hine by going back in time. I managed to confirm that Geneva Lucile Mosier is Geneva Hine.

Geneva Hine

 

 

Name: Geneva Lucile
[Geneva L Hine
[Geneva Lucile Mosier] 
SSN: 066288810
Gender: Female
Race: White
Birth Date: 4 Oct 1911
Birth Place: Martinsville, Indiana
Father Name: Thomas R Mosier
Mother Name: Nora E Stiles
Death Date: 4 Apr 2002
Death Certificate Number: RESTLAND FH
Type of Claim: Original SSN.
Notes: Feb 1952: Name listed as GENEVA LUCILE HINE; 04 Oct 2002: Name listed as GENEVA L HINE

 

Geneva Hine, click pic to enlarge.

JFK Lancer conference in Dallas Nov 20-22

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This years JFK Lancer conference is being held again at the Adolphus hotel. Some excellent speakers there like Bill Simpich and David Mantik.

Send us a plane ticket will ya ;)

More details on the JFKLancer conference 2015 can be obtained from the JFKLancer website.

 

 

Moorman shadow Altgens 6

At Greg Burnham’s forum (the guy who doesn’t want anything to do with discussing Prayer Man yet buys the Google adwords for it!) a discussion was started about the shadow of Mary Moorman in Altgens 6, how odd it was that her shadow made her look taller than Jean Hill when she was actually shorter.

This is easy to explain: Moorman was standing in front of Jean Hill therefore enlarging herself with regards to her position towards the sun (see the last pic) and  that James Altgens stood on the street when taking that picture and when the limo went past him he stood on the edge of the grass and the curb.

There is your answer.

Nor is there anything wrong about Charles Brehm’s hands, perfectly normal. The shadow may indicate that it shows he has his hands above his head but as you can see he does not, it looks that way because of the position of the sun on that day, it has the same effect on the motorcycles.

The original Altgens 6 is a goner, but this is not evidence of fakery.

Then again Jim “everything is fake” Fetzer will beg to differ………..

David Wrone

JFK Lancer has just posted a conversation with David Wrone author of 2003’s The Zapruder Film: Reframing JFK’s AssassinationDavid Wrone_JPG_475x310_q85

 

Here is also a video from two years ago on the 50th anniversary of JFK’s assassination.

 

 

JFK links

Stuff that I came across and that is worth a read if you are in this ‘game’.

NBC5’s Bob Welch speaks about Nov 22nd 1963 at Parkland hospital.

Richard Schweiker, Critic of JFK Assassination Probe, Dies at 89.

 

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A new look at the enigma of the “Backyard Photographs”

JFK Assassination Documentary ‘Parkland Doctors’ Seeks Crowdfunding.

 

Josiah Tink Tompson for the NYT

Almost two years old, but still fab interviews nonetheless.