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John Abt representing Lee Oswald

John Abt
In my paper Anatomy Of Lee Harvey Oswald’s Interrogations the name John Abt pops up quite a few times. Some people, like Will Fritz, said Oswald wanted Abt to represent him on Friday. This was rubbish as I already shown in that paper that the record stated Oswald made his very first two phone calls in the early afternoon of the 23rd (pages 225 & 226 from the PDF linked to above), almost 24 hours after being dragged in after his arrest in the Texas Theatre. One of those calls was an attempt to call New York. That by itself is a good indicator that Oswald wanted to contact Abt on the 23rd.
In the pages below (thanks to Malcolm Blunt) Abt tells of a CBS reporter contacting him on Saturday morning that Oswald wanted Abt to represent him and unless Oswald himself would make that request not much was going to happen.
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Then there is a video segment (starting at 5:25, on the third floor of Dallas City Hall, it shows Oswald being escorted through the corridor on his way from Fritz’s office to the jail elevator.
It is shot on Nov 23rd after Oswald’s first interrogation roughly at 11:30, he is in his white t-shirt only and then stops just before entering the door to the jail elevator and being pulled in by the D.P.D. detectives. But Oswald manages to talk to one of the reporters be it for a few seconds. The audio is sadly missing as the microphone was not plugged in. Denis Morissette and I were discussing this segment since this part was ‘new’ to me and he had brought it to my attention.
Later on in the same video segment we can see A.B.C.’s Bob Clark as the man whose microphone Oswald was talking in to and eventually there is a different microphone pushed forward to catch Clark’s voice.
This is the moment where Oswald asked to get in touch with John Abt. Clark talks about this moment in this PBS video (at 46:00) from 2003. Oswald stated into Clark’s dead microphone “I want to contact Mr. Abt of New York City, to serve as my attorney”.
Saturday Nov 23rd at about 11:30 Oswald made the very first statement that he wanted John Abt to represent him and not any earlier. This by itself is supported by the reports from Saturday morning by Will Fritz himself, James Bookhout and Thomas Kelley made up on the 10:30 interrogation.
Add on Dec 13 2021.
Then there is a document which I found at the Harold Weisberg archive by Peggy Simpson which seems to have been sent before midday on the 23rd and makes mention of Oswald’s request for John Abt during the above mentioned happening in the corridor.
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Dallas Police & Sheriff H.S.C.A. statements
This year I have spent countless hours on gathering, scanning and organising many thousands of pages of documents from a few archives. This H.S.C.A. material of thirteen D.P.D. personnel comes from the Malcolm Blunt archives and there are a few bits that provide some little interesting bits of information with regards the assassination, the aftermath, the searches and the happenings inside City Hall.
See for yourself.
With thanks to Malcolm Blunt.
Woodrow Wiggins in charge of the jail on Sunday Nov 24th.
- Woodrow Wiggins HSCA
- Woodrow Wiggins HSCA
- Woodrow Wiggins HSCA
- Woodrow Wiggins HSCA
Fay M. Turner
- F.M. Turner HSCA
Bobby Joe Dale
- Bobby Joe Dale HSCA
- Bobby Joe Dale HSCA
- Bobby Joe Dale HSCA
Luke Mooney
- Like Mooney HSCA
Gus Rose
- Gus Rose HSCA
- Gus Rose HSCA
- Gus Rose HSCA
- Gus Rose HSCA
Henry M. Moore
- Henry M Moore HSCA
- Henry M Moore HSCA
James Gilmore
Pat Gannaway
- Pat Gannaway HSCA
- Pat Gannaway HSCA
- Pat Gannaway HSCA
- Pat Gannaway HSCA
- Pat Gannaway HSCA
- Pat Gannaway HSCA
- Pat Gannaway HSCA
- Pat Gannaway HSCA
Paul Bentley
- Paul Bentley HSCA
- Paul Bentley HSCA
- Paul Bentley HSCA
There was another Paul Bentley HSCA report released through NARA.
Paul McCaghren
Richard Stovall (one page missing) Page 3 is here.
- Richard Stovall HSCA
- Richard Stovall HSCA
Stavis Ellis
- Stavis Ellis HSCA
- Stavis Ellis HSCA
- Stavis Ellis HSCA
Updates:
Aug 11 2019.:
March 14th 2020:
May 3rd 2020:
Feb 21th 2021:
Paul Bentley HSCA report added.
June 11th 2021:
June 27 2021:
Sept 13th 2021:
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As I have mentioned before on the Prayer Man FB page I have been quite busy with putting a new website together for Dealey Plaza UK. Part of that website was trying to put some archives in there as well. It started with the Harold Rydberg materials, but shortly after I was asked to do the Harry Livingstone archives, or part of that as well. Malcolm Blunt asked me to do this to which I readily agreed. The work is still ongoing and means less online appearances unless there is something worthwhile to make mention of.
This research then also led to me digitising parts of Malcolm Blunt’s old Dallas collection. Malcolm does a lot of deep agency research and the Dallas material is from the period before that when he stayed in Dallas and in Washington in the 90’s.
So here I will show you a note made by Jim Hosty no one else has seen before or even bothered to share or simply overlooked it . It comes from the National Archives and it was Malcolm who found it. Who else as hardly anyone spends any real time at the National Archives in Washington than Malcolm!
Written on the backside of a D.P.D. affidavit sheet of paper, Hosty outlines what Oswald’s movements were and what he said.
What do you think P. stand for? Presidential? Yeah I agree. Presidential parade.
What this document does is:
1/ kills off a so called second floor lunch room encounter.
2/ places Lee Oswald outside while the Presidential motorcade went past the building.
This document is hand in hand with Will Fritz’s handwritten notes that mentions “Out with Bill Shelley in front”
Both attendees to the first interrogation of Lee Oswald wrote down where he claimed he was, not on the 6th floor, not waiting in the lunch room.
But outside with Bill Shelley while the Presidential parade went past.
Lee Oswald is the Prayer Man!
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About 6 weeks ago I was approached by S.T. Patrick of Midnight Writer News to do an interview for his show after a few weeks we finally managed to do this. Listening back to it one month after I did it I have to say I did not do too bad. I am very critical of myself when I do these things, and the good thing is that after listening to 50 mins of it I haven’t turned it off yet!
I am talking about the research done and of course, the 2nd floor lunch room encounter, T.S.B.D., Dallas P.D. and Prayer Man all pass the avenue during this interview.
A thoroughly enjoyable experience.
Thank you S.T. Patrick.
Go HERE to hear the interview and read up about it on the Midnight Writer News Website.
During the interview I mistakenly refer to me as having received the JFK Lancer Pioneer Award, which is wrong it was the New Frontier Award actually. Apologies for the mix-up.
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Dealey Plaza UK had one of its meets at The Flying Horse again, and we had a jolly good time beers flowed and the subject was Tippit.
Funny how things go. Joseph McBride’s book Into The Nightmare is the best book on this subject and I read it 3-4 years ago, but what I had forgotten about is that McBride had interviewed Jim Leavelle and what he said is most interesting and naturally I will add these quotes to the 2nd paper Anatomy Of Oswald’s Interrogations. Leavelle is sinking deeper and deeper if you read what is below and in my paper.
When asked by McBride why Oswald was not arraigned for the killing of J.F.K. Leavelle replied:
“Now the thing was, the Captain (Will Fritz, the Head of Homicide, who was running the interrogation of Oswald) asked me if I had enough to make a case on him for the Tippit killing. And I said, ”Oh yeah. I got plenty on that.” I had him identified by about three or four people. And so Cap said, “Well go ahead and make a tight case on him in case we have trouble making this one on the presidential shooting.” “So that was one reason he was arraigned early on the Tippit shooting. But I was thinking that we also arraigned him somewhere down the line on the shooting of the president. But I wouldn’t swear to that offhand.” (P.235/236).
When asked how his department had reacted to the shooting of the president Leavelle said: “As the old saying goes back then, “it was no different than a South Dallas nigger killin’” When you get right down to it – because it was just another murder inside the city lines of Dallas that we could handle. It was just another murder to me. And I have handled hundreds of ‘em. So it wasn’t no big deal.” (P 240).
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A second update has been applied to the Anatomy Of The Second Floor Lunch Room Encounter paper. A mirror link of this paper is available at the Dealey Plaza UK Website. It has been made by Bernard Wilds. Many thanks Bernard!!!
I have added
St. Louis Post Dispatch article from Nov.26 1963 added on page 8.
Medicine Hat News newspaper article added to “Research history….” page 10.
Link to newspaper article from The Houston Post (Nov. 23rd) with Billy Lovelady’s remarks added. Page 30.
Norman Redlich memo (3 pages) discussing the elevators added to “The Stairs and The Elevators” chapter, pages 50-52. Thanks to Malcolm Blunt for this!
Text added to page 53, in the chapter “Did Truly Walk Ahead Of Baker”, with regards to the
Secret Service agents taking statements of the TSBD employees in early Dec. 1963.
Also added in the re-enactment chapter I added an article by the Dallas Morning News on page 118.
FBI re-enactment photo added, from Robin Unger, page 119.
Document of Thomas J. Kelley added with regards to the Secret Service re-enactment on page 120.
Set of FBI re-enactment photos added, which I managed to score at the Holland McCoombs collection. Added these, as they are rare and have not been seen before by many. Pages 122-126.
Photo added of Marrion Baker alongside with fellow DPD officers and John Sherman
Cooper in Wa. Page 129.

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