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Nicholas Katzenbach Was Working Hard On Crucifying Lee Oswald

Nicholas Katzenbach Was Working Hard On Crucifying Lee Oswald.

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Updated Jan 25 2021.

Nicholas Katzenbach. Photo: Boston Globe.

Nicholas Katzenbach was a Deputy Attorney General appointed by President John F. Kennedy in 1962 and worked directly under Robert Kennedy. After the assassination of President Kennedy Katzenbach continued to serve with the Johnson administration until February 11th, 1965.

The first time I came across his name was in the documentary Beyond ‘JFK’: The Question of Conspiracy in which a document from Nov 25th 1963 was brought up.  This document states: “The public must be satisfied that Oswald was the assassin; that he did not have confederates who are still at large; and that the evidence was such that he would have been convicted at trial. Discussions followed on  forums and newsgroups. How could Katzenbach do this at such short notice, and doesn’t this show how biased he was? Eh…..yeah!

Katzenbach Memo Nov 25 1964. Click to enlarge.

When the first batch of previously withheld documents were released in 2017 I found this document, that must have been an ‘inspiration’ for Katzenbach’s document. I just went through the released FBI files and noticed that the sentence used on page 3 was very similar to the Nov 25th doc. I had to dig out that document to make sure that I was not mixing things up. The document below is from Nov 24th. Compare both docs and you see that Hoover and Katzenbach were in cahoots on this matter of issuing something that would convince the public of Oswald’s guilt.

Hoover document Nov 24 1963. Click to enlarge.

 

With that find back then I thought ‘cool I found a link between the two documents.

But there is more. Never thought I would come across this piece while going through the Malcolm Blunt Archives  Two pages which are a shocking read from a timing perspective. Bear in mind that Oswald was arrested at about 13:50 hrs and Katzenbach wants to nail Oswald to the cross by 18:15 Dallas time. Lee Harvey Oswald at that time is being interrogated for the second time. and is less than one hour away from being charged for the Tippit murder.

This all puts the whole Dallas investigation into perspective as in who is calling the shots and wants ‘this thing’ over and done with.

Nicholas Katzenbach. Crick to enlarge.

Nicholas Katzenbach Click to enlarge.

Important to Hold That Man by Jerry D. Rose May 1986

Important to Hold That Man by Jerry D. Rose May 1986

 

Once in a blue moon you come across a great article. From The Third Decade; a magazine that has published some of the finest articles in JFK Assassination research. This article below by publisher Jerry D. Rose is no exception. And the reason for me to bring this up is because it falls nicely inside my remit but it is also a great way to compare it with my own work. And Rose does a terrific job. The parts where Truly had stated to the WC he had not seen Oswald after the assassination which of course makes no sense when the second floor lunch room encounter allegedly happened within 90 seconds after the shots had been fired. Rose’s remarks following up on Bill Shelley stating to Roy Truly that he did not see Lee Oswald are simply priceless.

Fritz’s movements and actions from the T.S.B.D. and to the D.P.D. are thoroughly questioned, but his pit stop at Bill Decker’s office is sadly missing from those paragraphs. All this makes Will Fritz look even more suspicious

Oswald being paraded past his fellow employees had more of an effect than Rose describes. He notes discrepancies from a procedural p.o.v. But add on that those fellow employees were told that Oswald had killed a cop at that time which of course meant that these people were distancing themselves from Oswald as much as they possibly could.

A perfect example of someone being too close is Buell Frazier who got it in the neck from early evening onwards from the D.P.D. that day. Joe Molina a worthy second.

The yellow marker (grey on these pages) and pen annotations are from Harry Livingstone whose archive I have been digitising this past year and a bit.

Do read!

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John Abt representing Lee Oswald

John Abt representing Lee Oswald

 

John Abt

In my paper Anatomy Of Lee Harvey Oswald’s Interrogations the name John Abt pops up quite a few times. Some people, like Will Fritz, said Oswald wanted Abt to represent him on Friday. This was rubbish as I already shown in that paper that the record stated Oswald made his very first two phone calls in the early afternoon of the 23rd (pages 225 & 226 from the PDF linked to above), almost 24 hours after being dragged in after his arrest in the Texas Theatre. One of those calls was an attempt to call New York. That by itself is a good indicator that Oswald wanted to contact Abt on the 23rd.

In the pages below (thanks to Malcolm Blunt) Abt tells of a CBS reporter contacting him on Saturday morning that Oswald wanted Abt to represent him and unless Oswald himself would make that request not much was going to happen.

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Then there is a video segment (starting at 5:25), on the third floor of Dallas City Hall, it shows Oswald being escorted through the corridor on his way from Fritz’s office to the jail elevator.

It is shot on Nov 23rd after Oswald’s first interrogation roughly at 11:30, he is in his white t-shirt only and then stops just before entering the door to the jail elevator and being pulled in by the D.P.D. detectives. But Oswald manages to talk to one of the reporters be it for a few seconds. The audio is sadly missing as the microphone was not plugged in. Denis Morissette and I were discussing this segment since this part was ‘new’ to me and he had brought it to my attention.

Later on in the same video segment we can see A.B.C.’s Bob Clark as the man whose microphone Oswald was talking in to and eventually there is a different microphone pushed forward to catch Clark’s voice.

This is the moment where Oswald asked to get in touch with John Abt. Clark talks about this moment in this PBS video (at 46:00) from 2003.  Oswald stated into Clark’s dead microphone “I want to contact Mr. Abt of New York City, to serve as my attorney”.

Saturday Nov 23rd at about 11:30 Oswald made the very first statement that he wanted John Abt to represent him and not any earlier. This by itself is supported by the reports from Saturday morning by Will Fritz himself, James Bookhout and Thomas Kelley made up on the 10:30 interrogation.

Howard Roffman to Richard Bernabei 1970

Howard Roffman to Richard Bernabei 1970

 

Howard Roffman wrote extensively with Harold Weisberg, but also with Richard Bernabei. I have managed to gotten hold of quite a bit of material myself after contacting his archive in Kingston and I also know that Denis Morissette went there and he sent me quite a few pages as well. I still have to go through all this. While browsing through the folder I came across this letter from 1970 that I gotten hold off in 2016.

It basically discusses the Couch film and Marrion Baker. Roffman did extensive research in the relation between the Couch film and Marrion Baker’s run almost 50 years ago. He also brings Gloria Calvery, Joe Molina and other T.S.B.D. employees’ statements in the fold and uses his common sense as most of his observations still stand today. Cool read.

Oswald being charged with the murder of JFK as part of a communist conspiracy

Oswald being charged with the murder of JFK as part of a communist conspiracy.

 

Updated Dec 14th 2019.

While putting together my up and coming paper Anatomy Of Lee Harvey Oswald’s Interrogations I came across documents that could not be used inside that paper. But the quality of these documents meant that it would not be wise to ignore them.

Bill Alexander is about to charge Lee Oswald with murder of The President with malice and forethought and as part of a communist conspiracy. This latter part sets off alarm bells not just in Washington, and the higher echelon of the Texas legislature, but also the F.B.I. who make mention of this in a memo from Nov. 22nd  by Kyle G. Clark.

Ronald Duggar, editor of the Texas Observer, has done an interview with Bill Alexander in Sept. 1973 and notes that  Alexander said that he put out the story that Oswald was a communist to offset any talk of Oswald being a right-winger.

Ronald Duggar interview with Bill Alexander. Click to enlarge.

In an interview from Nov 3rd 1975 Alexander gets more specific, how he got about spreading the message and how it got back to him.

Bill Alexander interview Nov 3 1975. Click to enlarge.

 

 

Earl Golz documents Michael Eddowes Nov 22 book and brings up Alexander’s communist conspiracy part.

 

In William Manchester’s notes of the interviews for his book “Death Of A President” Barefoot Sanders gives his version of what Bill Alexander is about to pull off.

 

Barefoot Sanders interviewed by William Manchester on the Oswald charge as part of a communist conspiracy. Click to enlarge.

 

Justice of the Peace David Johnston, seen inside room 317 gets his piece of the ‘conspiracy’ pie as well. As shown below the photos, in Earl Golz’s handwritten notes from Nov. 1975 of his interview with Johnston. In that interview Johnston even includes James K. Allen as one of the originators of the commie conspiracy yak yak (his words) besides Bill Alexander. James Allen is a rather secretive figure. He was a great friend of Will Fritz and in close vicinity to Room 317.

Johnston on the right(red arrow). In the middle Jim Hosty talks to William Alexander. Photo: William Murray-Back Star. Scan by ROKC from the Richard E. Sprague archives at the National Archives in Wa. Click to enlarge.

Will Fritz talks to the press, behind him is Bill Alexander and Johnston (red arrow) listens carefully. Photo: William Murray-Back Star. Scan by ROKC from the Richard E. Sprague archives at the National Archives in Wa. Click to enlarge.

Johnston was very close to what was going on that day. He also was very close when Henry Wade gave his press conference after Oswald’s.

David Johnston during Henry Wade’s press conference early in the morning of Nov 23rd. Pic: FWST. Click to enlarge.

 

 

 

Waggoner Carr standing, next to Governor John Connally. Pic. UNT. Click to enlarge.

Then there is Waggoner Carr, and he puts a slight different spin on the story, but he had no idea what Barefoot Sanders was doing at the same time.

Then finally off course the Dallas D.A. Henry Wade, who while being interviewed by Melissa Johnson in Jan 1993. Confirms he was called by Cliff Carter

Henry Wade interview summary by Melissa Johnson Jan 1993. From the Livingstone Archive. Click to enlarge.

 

Update Dec 14th 2019.

Henry Wade who did an interview with the Dallas Morning News in 1993.

I got a call from Cliff Carter at the White House, Cliff Carter was a friend of mine who worked with President Johnson. It had apparently come over television that Oswald was going to be charged as part of a conspiracy with the Russians in killing President John F. Kennedy. He said the president was afraid that would hurt international relations quite a bit with Russia. I told him that everything you allege in an indictment you’ve got to prove, and if you allege a conspiracy, you’re going to have to prove it. This appears to be more a conspiracy, if with any foreign country, with Cuba, because he (Oswald) had loads and loads of propaganda from the committee to support (Fidel) Castro. . . . Cliff Carter was an aide to Johnson. I knew him personally and I knew Johnson personally. I worked in his (Lyndon Johnson’s) campaign in 1937 in Austin when I was in college, and he got elected to Congress.
Q: Did you, at that point, take a different attitude toward the assassination picture? You knew this was one of his top aides.
A: The only thing he was afraid of was that we would file he was part of a Russian conspiracy to kill President Kennedy. I told him that wouldn’t be done. Then I got a second call, that the president wants you to go down and make sure this conspiracy count is not in the indictment, because the press has already said it’s in there. I went down to the homicide division of the Dallas police. I guess there were 300 or 400 members of the press down there with cameras, and it was a madhouse down there.

With thanks to Malcolm Blunt for the documents.

Dallas Police & Sheriff H.S.C.A. statements

Dallas Police & Sheriff H.S.C.A. statements

 

This year I have spent countless hours on gathering, scanning and organising many thousands of pages of documents from a few archives. This H.S.C.A. material of thirteen D.P.D. personnel comes from the Malcolm Blunt archives and there are a few bits that provide some little interesting bits of information with regards the assassination, the aftermath, the searches and the happenings inside City Hall.

See for yourself.

With thanks to Malcolm Blunt.

 

Woodrow Wiggins in charge of the jail on Sunday Nov 24th.

 

Fay M. Turner

 

Bobby Joe Dale

 

Luke Mooney

 

Gus Rose

 

Henry M. Moore

 

James Gilmore

 

 

Pat Gannaway

 

Paul Bentley

There was another Paul Bentley HSCA report released through NARA.

 

Paul McCaghren

 

 

Richard Stovall (one page missing) Page 3 is here.

 

Stavis Ellis

 

Walter Eugene Potts

Update Aug 11 2019.:

Tom G. Tilson.

Murray Jackson.

William Westbrook.

George Edward Butler.

Herbert Sawyer.

Harry Weatherford.

Charles Truman Walker.

Gus Rose.

Robert Studebaker.

Elmo Cunningham.

Ray Hawkins.

Marrion Baker.

Charles Dhority.

Perdue W. Lawrence.

 

Update March 14th 2020:

Lt. Donald Archer.

Update May 3rd 2020:

James W. Johnson Irving P.D.

Update Feb 21th 2021.

Paul Bentley HSCA report added.

The Raleigh Call Did Not Happen

The Raleigh Call Did Not Happen

 

This is a rewritten and updated version from the original post published on Feb. 26 2019. Thanks to Malcolm Blunt for some of the A.R.R.B, H.S.C.A. and F.B.I. documents. And thanks to Jessica Shores for some assistance by providing me some newspaper articles and info on Henry Hurt. I also would like to thank Grover Proctor for acknowledging my work at his 2019 presentation in Dallas.

While working on my paper on the Oswald interrogations I kept thinking of including The Raleigh Call research by Grover Proctor and others into my paper Anatomy of Lee Harvey Oswald’s Interrogations’ first release in Sept 2017. But I decided against it, as something did not feel right. That all important niggle, yet not knowing where that niggle came from at that time or what it entailed so I kept it on the back burner for 18 months, until I had the inclination to look deeper into it.

So what is it about the Raleigh Call?

The history of the Raleigh Call is written up by Randy Benson at Indyweek. I’ll quote from it: “It was through the work of independent researcher Michael Canfield that a copy(!) of the Raleigh Call slip first became public. He secured a copy of the slip, which became available as the result of a Freedom of Information lawsuit filed by a civil rights activist Chicago researcher Sherman H. Skolnick, while conducting research for the 1975 book Coup d’Etat in America. The book, co-authored with Alan Weberman, was the first major work to deal with the Raleigh Call, and the slip was reprinted in the appendix.”  Anthony Summers’ book  Conspiracy made a brief mention about the call as well. But it was dropped when an updated version was released. Summers confided to G Robert Blakey of the HSCA that he doubted the call ever happened at all.

From thereon Grover Proctor picked up on it and did his research for years to come. His site is filled with a lot of documentation to study for those interested in this subject.

The Raleigh call, allegedly, happens late in the evening of Saturday the 23rd of Nov. between 22:15 – 22:45. That actual evening of the 23rd after 21:00 hrs of Oswald’s detention is not very well covered with anything happening at all. I know this as I decided to put Oswald’s incarceration that weekend in a timeline manner together for my Anatomy of Lee Harvey Oswald’s Interrogations Vol. 2 paper.

I do not believe that Oswald made a call to Raleigh, nor spoke with John David Hurt. There is simply too much wrong with it. By just going through the batch of statements on Proctor’s page there are a quite a few inconsistencies and memory lapses to be discovered. In this updated and revised article I can safely say that the alleged Raleigh call is just a horrible conspiracy theory that deserves to die a death as it has been kept alive for far too long already.

One of the first things I did was to investigate if there were any records in the Dallas Police Department archives at the University of Texas. There are reports made from the three earlier phone calls Oswald made that day. The first phone call by Lee Oswald on Nov 23rd is recorded by the jailer Arthur E. Eaves and is at about 13:40 which is just short of 24 hours after his arrest!  Oswald has been returned to his cell after another interrogation by Will Fritz in the morning and sees Marina shortly after this session and is then brought back to his jail cell from where he uses the phone. This looks like Oswald’s very first attempt to call John Abt. Oswald then makes a call to Ruth Pain, at 16:00, trying to get hold of Marina. See the affidavit below of J.L. Popplewell. I go into depth about this call to Ruth Paine in my paper Anatomy Of Lee Harvey Oswald’s Interrogations. Then he also makes a 30 minute call at 20:00 according to the document below in Thurber T. Lord’s statement. Oswald was making these calls unhindered. Compare these reports with the subject matter at hand then other than an alleged slip, which is a rather poor photocopy, there is not much physically present to support this Raleigh Call claim.

The first time the Raleigh Call story was brought up, was in 1965 when Winston Smith, who during his H.S.C.A. interview on Dec 4th 1978, states that he had heard the story after moving the Treons out of Dallas to Springfield that year. He doesn’t remember when exactly, only during a dinner, he was told the story. And during that conversation Alveeta Treon produced the call slip.

The next trace is an unsigned affidavit, from 1968, of Alveeta Treon, which probably was taken during the Garrison investigation. I suggest you click that link to Proctor’s site to see the full story behind this.

On Aug 4 1977 Jim Kostman writes to Donovan Gay and brings up the Raleigh call. This is largely in relation to Alveeta Treon’s first, unsigned, affidavit and Winston Smith, who did assist the Garrison investigation around the time of the making of that affidavit in 1968.

HSCA – The Raleigh call Aug 4 1977. Click to enlarge.

 

The HSCA also contacts the DOJ to see if there is any more documentation available, to no avail.

DOJ memo regarding the Raleigh Call. Click to enlarge.

So besides trying to investigate the whole matter it also interviews all parties involved to get a clearer picture. In her HSCA interview of Nov 7th 1978 Alveeta Treon says: Mrs. Treon said that it has concerned her from conversations with Committee investigator Harold Rose that we might not have completely correct information. She said the sequence at the switchboard was that when Oswald came on, both she and Louise Swinney got on the line to take the call. She said, however, it was clear that Mrs. Swinney intended to handle it, as though she had instructions, so Mrs. Treon let her handle it, but Mrs. Treon stayed on the line. She said she was therefore able to hear everything Oswald said and she is sure he asked for the name John Hurt and gave the two numbers. She said that as she listened she wrote the information down on a regular telephone call slip. However, since Mrs. Swinney actually handled the call, Mrs. Treon signed her name to the slip she intended to keep as a souvenir. She said the notations on the slip of “DA” and “CA” stand for did not answer and cancelled, because the call was never actually put through. Mrs. Treon said she never retrieved any paper from the wastebasket on which Mrs. Swinney supposedly entered the information.

Mrs. Treon said her lasting impression of the events that night is that Mrs. Swinney had been instructed by someone to not put the call through to Oswald. She said her belief was strengthened by the fact that Mrs. Swinney did not leave work as soon as Mrs. Treon came on that night as she usually did. Instead she remained as though she had been assigned to handle the call. In that same interview Mrs. Treon said she also intended to tell Harold Rose of the HSCA that her daughter Sharon thought she recognized one of the men who came into the telephone room when Oswald tried to make his call. She said Sharon thought the man might have been one of the officers who was with Oswald just before he was shot in the basement; she thought it was the one who was handcuffed to him. Which can only be Jim Leavelle or L.C. Graves.

Louise Swinney in her interview with the HSCA on  Feb 6th 1978 remembers that Oswald tried to make two calls. One to “Lawyer Apt.” [sic.] in New York and she doesn’t remember who the other call was to. The name John Hunt [sic.] is not familiar to her. She is forewarned, at about 19:00 hrs, that if Oswald was going to make any calls that two DPD detectives would drop by and tap in on the line. There is just one small thing that doesn’t sit right with this scenario, and that is that she is being told about this one hour before Oswald made a call at 20:00 (see the Thurber T. Lord report above) and this call went through for 30 minutes without a glitch!

She stated that she did not put either call through for Oswald. Why not?  And who ordered her to do this? The detectives left after they got the numbers. She states that she wrote the numbers on a blue piece of paper and she believes she may still have it at home. She will try to find it for the HSCA, but a follow-up on this does not materialise. She remembers Alveeta Treon well, but does not recall if they worked together on the night of 11/23/63.

Then on April 20th in an HSCA outside contact report (see below) things get better when the slip gets into play: I showed Louise Swinney, a Xerox copy of the slip containing information on a phone call placed by Lee Harvey Oswald to John Hurt, Raleigh, N.C. on November 23, 1963 and bearing her signature. She stated that it was definitely [ sic. ] not her signature. She was upset that someone had signed her name. She stated that she never handled a call from Oswald to John Hurt. She stated that she only handled a call from Oswald to Lawyer Apt [ sic. ] and another one that she cannot remember, but it was not to John Hurt. Mrs. Swinney insisted on giving me samples of her handwriting and told me that she would have no reason to lie. She stated that only someone working in the switchboard room could have made that out and Alveeta Treon [ sic. ] was the only other person working that night.

Louise Swinney. Click pic. to enlarge.

The statements by these two women by itself should have been enough to question the truthfulness of this story right there and then. But let’s get Alveeta Treon’s daughter involved to turn this whole thing in an even bigger mess!  Sharon Kovac, contradicts matters compared with Louise Swinney and her mom Alveeta Treon in her HSCA statement from Dec. 6 1978 even more: Ms. Kovac said she cannot recall anyone else being present in the switchboard room that night besides herself and her mother. She said she knows Louise Swinney, her mother’s supervisor, but she does not recall Mrs. Swinney being present at the time. She said when Oswald called in, it is her recollection that her mother handled the call and she remembers seeing her mother open her key on the switchboard at the time of the call.

With regards to IDing the two detectives who were there to prohibit the call from going through.  In the Dec. 6 1978 statement by Sharon Kovac: She said that on Sunday, November 24, 1963 when Oswald was shot in the Dallas Police Department basement, Lt. Leavelle, the man to whom Oswald was hand cuffed at the time of the shooting “resembled” one of the men who had come into the switchboard room on November 23, but she does not believe it was Lt. Leavelle. Which in all honesty doesn’t give us anything as to who these two detectives actually were. Nor is there any follow up investigation regarding this, no pictures shown, nothing.

So Alveeta Treon has one version of the story, her daughter contradicts this, and Louise Swinney her supervisor contradicts both their stories. Why do we not take a closer look at the main character John David Hurt.

John David Hurt and his wife Billie Greer Hurt.

John David Hurt’s HSCA interview, the so called intelligence connection, denies the whole thing and then some. Please read the green marked pages of this interview.

There are a few newspaper reports on John Hurt and the alleged Raleigh Call on July 17 1980 as well.

If we then look at the FBI report from Feb 3 1964 that list the phone numbers Oswald had written down on a piece of paper and that was found on him after he was shot. You can conclude that there is no Raleigh phone number indicating the call to John Hurt, the note does contain phone numbers of John Abt and Ruth Paine. This is again confirmed three days later on Feb 6 1964.

Henry Hurt (no relation) speaks to John David Hurt’s wife after he has passed away in 1981. In his book Reasonable Doubt he states: a few months later, his wife told the author that Hurt had admitted the truth before he died. Terribly upset on the day of the assassination, he got extremely drunk—a habitual problem with him—and telephoned the Dallas jail and asked to speak to Oswald. When denied access, he left his name and number. Mrs. Hurt said her husband told her he never had any earlier contact with Oswald and had been too embarrassed to admit that he got drunk and placed the call.

The ARRB discusses the Hurt matter as well. In an email from Jan 7 1997, Christoper Barger indicates that they will not be able to determine anything further because Hurt is dead and that the HSCA files seem to be of very little value. That last part is very strange since a simple comparison of the HSCA statements of John Hurt, Alveeta Treon, Louise Swinney and Sharon Kovac add a lot of doubt to any validity of the alleged phone call. And yet this email states that there is no dispute that Oswald attempted to call that number.

ARRB – Christopher Barger to Jeremy Gun Jan 7 1997. Click pic to enlarge.

I have taken all the key bits from the available documents and transferred these into a spread sheet of which I post a screen shot below.

Click pic to enlarge.

So what do I think?

  • Louise Swinney, Alveeta Treon and Sharon Kovac contradict each other to such an extend that there are very few areas of agreement of the Raleigh call actually happening.
  • Louise Swinney is forewarned at 19:00 about two detectives who would want to listen in to any call of Oswald she would handle. When she does handle the call between 22:30 – 23:00 she does not connect the call and states to Oswald she cannot get an answer on the other end of the line. Yet Oswald makes a call at 20:00, which must have been during Swinney’s shift for about 30 minutes unhindered.
  • All other calls by Oswald were reported by the jailers, there is no such report present when Oswald allegedly made that call.
  • There is not a single trace of the original calling card.
  • Louise Swinney denies it is her signature on the calling card.
  • Sharon Kovac was not there, at the time of the so called call, she heard it from Alveeta Treon at a  later time.
  • On the piece of paper found on Oswald, after he has been murdered by Jack Ruby, were several numbers, yet not one refers to John Hurt let alone anyone in Raleigh.
  • John Hurt was not called, it is possible he did try to call the DPD while being intoxicated, and if he did then his call would have been tossed into the “crazies tray” along with several others.
  • There is no connection, whatsoever, between John David Hurt and Lee Harvey Oswald.

 

Carmine Savastano on Prayer Man

Almost 4 years ago, March 2015 to be precise, Carmine Savastano had a go at trying to bring Prayer Man down on his blog named after his book Two Princes and a King. Neither me or any other ROKCer was aware of this post. The article was updated last in Dec 2017.

Carmine departed from ROKC shortly before he wrote this, or was kicked off the forum, whoever you wish to believe. The core members had enough of his constant arguing about evidence. I was not really there when all this happened, I did not seriously partake until Jan. 2015 myself.

Now having read Savastano’s blog post  just now I can honestly say that his work or better yet his understanding of Prayer Man is not very good, as a matter of fact I rate it as high as Doyle’s comprehension of the case. The difference is that whenever Doyle is in a tight spot he uses Harvey and Lee to get himself out of it. How convenient it is to use Oswald’s ‘double’ when it becomes impossible to clear yourself out of the hole you have dug for yourself. But that is a different story. Let’s stick with the subject matter which is this blog post by him.

I will quote some from the article written by Carmine Savastano and write my comments down below in bold. Just wish to add that this is by no means a personal attack, it is a rebuttal to some of the arguments that are not only used by him, but by others as well who seem to lack to see the big picture and only use some of the evidence that is around.

1/The “Prayer Man” is similar to many other supposed “breakthroughs” coined by various people in the time since President Kennedy’s death. These include the Doorway Man, the Badge Man, the Black Dog Man, the Red Bandana Man, and the Black Hole Man, among many others.

I do not even know of the last two individuals, but to compare Prayer Man with Badge Man and Doorway Man is already a huge mistake.

Doorway Man was already cleared up the same evening, as the F.B.I. went to Billy Lovelady and he picked himself out from the table sized enlargement of the Altgens 6 Photograph. And Badge Man is not supported by anything but a colouring in, you could colour in a a pink elephant and try and make people believe that this is what is standing behind the picket fence. Looking at a very large b&w scan of the Moorman Polaroid does not show anything of a human outline at all. 

Prayer Man is supported by evidence, be it circumstantial, but it is not something that should be disregarded. All this can be found in the interrogations reports and testimonies from Will Fritz, Jim Hosty and Harry Dean Holmes. Something Savastano doesn’t even touch nor makes mention of. 

2/No witness testimony in the immediate area supports Oswald’s presence and not a single witness identifies him in the area during the shots.

Almost correct (Carolyn Arnold’s statement), but what Savastano omits from his writings is:

The primary statements by Shelley and Lovelady i/e do not contain a word about Oswald at all, as they were taken before Oswald was taken in. Once they witnessed Oswald’s arrival at City Hall, he was brought in as a cop killer, not as the shooter of J.F.K. Now who in their right mind would associate themselves with a cop killer? 

Nor did anyone mention the negro on the bottom of the steps, Carl Edward Jones or Joe Molina who stood next to Shelley and above Otis Williams. Only one person mentioned Joe Molina, and that was Victoria Adams, and that was after her descent from the 4th floor and being directed back to the T.S.B.D. by a police man.

At the same time not one witness standing on those steps during the shooting says who that Caucasian male actually is. That is troubling no?

And why should they, in those days anyone of non Caucasian build in Tx. was expected to shut up and not volunteer information (Carl Jones, Roy Lewis and Joe Molina).

The women? Same!

Frazier? He was 19 and got the scare of his life by being shoved a statement, for being a co-conspirator, in front of him to sign by ‘old reliable’ Will Fritz.

Lovelady? Got bailed out by Ochus Campbell (the vice-president of the T.S.B.D.) for a weapons charge he was going to be re-arrested for.

Shelley? Oswald’s foreman, why should he side with a commie sympathiser? A cop killer to boot. No thank you……

Plus why should they state were Oswald was at that time, they barely knew him and he was dead by the time quite a few of the T.S.B.D. workers were interviewed, and who would want the weight of local and national law enforcement agencies on their back for a dead commie sympathiser who had also killed a cop!

3/ This person could be from a number of businesses in the vicinity, a passerby, a tourist, any number of people besides Lee Harvey Oswald.

This is about the biggest mistake Savastano can make, not only by disregarding this person as anyone but Oswald and also avoiding using his common sense, but also for the fact that it is no stranger either as was documented in March of 1964, as per CE 1381. If you want evidence Carmine, the stranger scenario is killed off with that document.

4/ While a conspiracy is eminently feasible and supported by substantial evidence, that does not justify the “Prayer Man” claim.

A very strange claim to make, especially when Savastano fails to submit such evidence himself, pot kettle…..

5/ Additional feasibly contending evidence includes the verbal statement of Lee Harvey Oswald himself.Some suggest we cannot trust any of the evidence, which is ridiculous, for how else can we prove anything? If most evidence available indicates something, it is more than likely to have occurred. Consider the amount of work and people required to suppress this idea. It would be a large undertaking of little value, since the matter still proves nothing of substance. It is not a smoking gun in my view, but smoke and mirrors.

Here Savastano makes another whopper of a faux pas. Not only does he ascribe to some of Oswald’s  public statements in a video by Len Osanic, which are not timed in any way btw, but will be by me soon enough in my next paper “Anatomy Of Oswald’s Interrogations”.

But he also produces a very incomplete body of work. What Carmine should have done for starters is introduce the statements made by Fritz, Hosty, Bookhout and Holmes and also their notes and testimony as to Oswald’s whereabouts and more importantly about he destruction of Oswald’s alibi. Something I did in my first paper “Anatomy of The Second Floor Lunch Room Encounter” From thereon he could have concluded that the lunch room encounter was an utter fake event and from thereon investigate where Oswald actually was during that period, of shooting J.F.K.