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Thanks to Malcolm Blunt for handing me this document from the HSCA while at the DPUK Canterbury seminar last April. This CIA document, sadly undated, shows Lee Oswald’s activities from Nov 22nd to the 24th.
The fact that the CIA went through all the witness statements and testimony and put them in chronological order is interesting by itself. There are even two pages with diagrams of who was were.
Interesting indeed.
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
- Activities Oswald, Lee Nov 22-24 1963
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Lately a few individuals have tried to claim that Prayer Man was very short and they used ‘calculations’ and the ‘fact’ that Lovelady was standing on the landing when Dave Wiegman filmed the front of the TSBD. They used Lovelady’s height to ‘prove’ that Prayer Man (read: Lee Harvey Oswald) was way shorter and could not possibly be Oswald.
Let’s debunk this shall we?
All types of faulty and/or made-up calculations and lines drawn on a picture were presented as analytical research, none of which was supported by any type of evidence. No one bothered to mention what camera Wiegman was using, nor could any one present an exact location as to where Wiegman was filming from, add on that all this happened while the vehicle he was standing in was moving which makes it even more difficult to ascertain Wiegman’s position.
In short: utter junk science that no one else than the believers Richard Gilbride and Albert Doyle seemed to subscribe to and they ended up trolling a few forums with their science.
While going through the photos of the Wiegman film I came across a neat little find two days ago, something that I was only able to do so as we managed to get a high resolution scan from the NARA archives in the Richard E. Sprague collection.
The find was Bill Shelley (underneath No.3), with Prayer Man being No. 1 and Billy Lovelady No. 2. This pic. is from the second segment Wiegman filmed of the front of the TSBD and it also shows that Lovelady has stepped down (compared to his position in the first segment) and it also shows that Shelley has moved slightly more to the left (he is now behind Otis Williams whereas he is more to the right of him in the first segment, see the 4th photograph below). This is a good indicator that while the shots were fired they already made a move to go down and check out what was going on. The two Gerda Dunckel GIFs show that Shelley and Lovelady had left the steps and made their way to the rail road yard further west of the building within seconds after. I go in great detail about this HERE.
Shelly was standing on the top of the landing. Whereas Lovelady was not, as he stated in 1964 in an article by Dom Bonafede “I was standing on the first step”
Lovelady had a very curious attitude as he is seen in much lower on the steps and to the left, behind Roy Lewis/Carl Edward Jones in the Hughes film. This is while the motorcade is turning on to Elm St.
Altgens 6 shows that Lovelady moved up and further to the right, his distance is further away from Jones.
Brian Doyle and Richard Gilbride have been claiming, that Prayer Man is too short to be Oswald. This of course is not supported by anything but made-up calculations and picking up pseudo science from other peeps such as Drew Phipps and presenting pix with neat little lines and numbers that basically amount to nothing. Not one person at the forums this bunk was posted at supported any of it.
The kicker is that Lovelady was not standing on the top landing, because he is seen leaning against the railing in the first segment of the Wiegman film. Check his body posture compared to all other individuals on those steps, they are all standing straight, even though Lovelady is following the events happening down Elm St and his body is turned into that direction his body posture shows he is leaning. Take a look at the 2nd segment photo and you see that Lovelady is standing straight on the steps, as he is making a move going downwards.
The issue with that is you cannot lean against the railing while standing on the top landing!
See for yourself in the photograph below. The railing is mounted flush on the vertical part of the last step leading to the landing, the bar of the railing would be slightly in front of the landing. The deniers will claim that it is still possible, yet it would be so awkward and since Lovelady’s posture doesn’t ascribe to that it is safe to say that Lovelady from standing just behind Roy Lewis / Carl Edward Jones moved upward and to the right to the 5th or the 6th step of the TSBD stairs.
But why do we not throw something valuable on top and that is a statement by Lovelady himself in May 64 published in the NYHT by Dom Bonafede.
The lens Wiegman used was a wide angle lens, this creates distortions and Lovelady while moving downward as in the 2nd segment would appear slightly taller than Prayer Man since he is, by that time, standing more forward.
But what is more important is that Prayer Man is of roughly the same height as Lovelady and THAT makes Prayer Man, besides the enormous amount of other evidence a prime candidate to be Lee Harvey Oswald.
No stranger
No woman
No other TSBD worker has been identified for that position.
Oswald himself said: ”Out with Bill Shelley, in front”.
No dwarf either.
Brian Doyle and Richard Gilbride should get back to the drawing board and come up with their next scheme as this one, like their previous ones is dead in the water.
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Then there is another issue as to what Prayer Man was doing with the shiny object he is bring towards his face.
On my calibrated screen (and if you do not have one you may experience issues seeing this clearly as I do) the Wiegman film shows he using one hand (his right) to bring iot towards his mouth. This is not a camera! But more than likely the bottle that was photographed in Prayer Man’s position after the deed.
Close-ups of Robin Unger’s gif.
- Wiegman film, GIF by Stan Dane.
- Wiegman film, GIF by Stan Dane.
- Pic: William Allen.
- Pic: William Allen.
- Pic: William Allen.
- Pic: William Allen.
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What are the odds that both of Truly’s secretaries have the same conversation with the TSBD’s vice president just after the shooting?
Pauline Sanders who stood on top of the steps of the Texas School Book Depository, and Mrs Robert Reid who stood with Truly and Campbell near Elm St. both discussed the trajectory of where the shots came from just after the shooting, but with a few neat little twists.
Reid makes mention of it in her handwritten statement of Nov 23rd 1963, but there is one important fact that seems to be overlooked by many:
In it she says “I remarked to Mr. Campbell who was standing near by that I thought that the shots had come from our building. But I heard someone else say no, I think it was further down the street“
In the FBI affidavit of Nov. 26th 1963 there is no mention of this conversation at all. Nor is there any mention of this in the Secret Service Report of Dec 4th.
And when it is time for her testimony in front of the Warren Commission that ‘someone else’ who replied to her on Nov. 22nd has become O.V. Campbell instead!
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Pauline Sanders makes mention of the O.V. Campbell conversation on Nov. 24th in her FBI statement, and she does not repeat it anywhere else nor does she get called up to testify so that’s that.
But Sanders does have a telephone conversation with Reid and a truckload of hearsay is being relayed (with regards Oswald’s so called encounter with Reid in the 2nd floor office). And the whole thing is jotted down in support of Reid’s and Sander’s testimony.
- Handwritten affidavit Mrs R Reid
- Pauline Sanders FBI affidavit FBI Nov 24 1963
- Pauline Sanders FBI affidavit FBI Nov 24 1963
- FBI Statement R Reid Nov 26 1963
- Mrs R Reid Secret Service Report Dec 4 1963
- Mrs R. Reid WC Testimony
- Mrs R. Reid WC Testimony
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As most of you are aware, the other week there was this story about Ted Cruz’s father Rafael Cruz Sr. being recognised as part of a group of Cuban fellas in front of the Trade Mart in New Orleans. We know that Carlos Bringuier was one of them with Lee Oswald in the foreground handing out leaflets warning citizens to keep their hands of Cuba. The Oswald part was discussed a gazillion times and you won’t get me debating it much further. Nor will I discuss the Cruz part since it is just rubbish as well, sounds more like a smear than anything legitimate, I would not be surprised that this is a payback from the Trump camp regarding Trump’s dad and the KKK . JFKFacts and other sites debunked this rubbish rather quick.
Then someone started mentioning that the white guy looked like Bill Shelley and there is no evidence whatsoever pointing to that. The only person one could suspect being that would be Thomas Edward Beckham, but even that is not as straight forward as it seems. Beckham is still alive btw. And that’s as much as I am getting involved on this issue.
But a fellow ROKCer went to NARA again and came across these pix, so damned if I am not going to post them.
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Next weekend on April 23rd and 24th there will be another seminar run by Dealey Plaza UK, yours truly shall be there and will give 2 one hour talks.
I shall be extensively reporting about this after the event on this website.
Programme
Saturday 23rd April
09.45m – 10.00am Introduction to the Seminar by Stuart Galloway
10.00am – 11.00am Confusion over the Rifle by Alaric Rosman
11.00am – 11.15am BREAK
11.15am – 12.15pm Prayer Man & Texas School Book Depository by Bart Kamp
12.15pm – 1.45pm LUNCH
1.45pm – 2.45pm 2nd Floor Lunch Room Encounter and Oswald’s Interrogation by Bart Kamp
2.45pm – 3.45pm National Security Response on Nov 22nd v other major events Larry Hancock (telephone)
3.45pm – 4.00pm BREAK:
4.00pm – 4.45pm Fingerprints of Intelligence Part 2 – Back in the US of A by Paul Brown
4.45pm – 5.30pm The Cuban Underground by Jean Shields
Sunday 24th April
09.30am – 09.45am Address in Memory of JFK by Barry Keane
09.45am – 11.00am The DPUK Auction by Mike Dworetsky
11.00am – 11.10am BREAK
11.10am – 12.00pm CIA and Oswald – Question & Answer Session with Malcolm Blunt & Bart Kamp
12.00am – 12.45pm Lee Harvey Oswald’s Cold War (film or possibly a Q & A session) with Greg Parker
12.45pm – 1.45pm LUNCH
1.45pm – 2.45pm Presidential Assassinations by Bill Beadle
2.45pm – 3.30pm The Dallas Police Force by Ian Griggs
3:30pm – 3.45pm Closure of the Seminar