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Marrion Baker’s run towards the TSBD – Part 1

Marrion Baker’s run towards the TSBD

 

This is a work in progress.

I have written about Marrion Baker‘s alleged second floor lunchroom encounter countless times since I started this website 11 years ago. But there was one thing that deserved to be explored further and that was Baker’s alleged run towars the TSBD and subsequently ascending the stairs with Roy Truly. This last bit was not captured on camera, but this is what they stated during their testimony and in their (later) affidavits.

Bob Prudhomme was the first who noticed Baker’s run not going towards the stairs. It was a hunch, but a good one.

Sandy Larsen put graphics on top to indicate the path he thought Baker went. It was guess work at best. But during my research for the Anatomy of the Second Floor Lunchroom Encounter paper (starting on page 26) I already wrote in depth about Baker’s run.

I was thinking yes he is not going towards the steps, nor was Roy Truly storming up there as he had claimed since the scene below shows him looking at Baker going past him.

Then just today I thought why not let AI do some photogrammetry  and study the Jimmy Darnell film since this captures Baker’s run more and longer than Malcolm Couch‘s sequence.

This time I started with Claude.

I asked: Can you do photogrammetry by watching a video?

Photogrammetry from Video — Yes, Absolutely

Video is actually an excellent source for photogrammetry, in some ways superior to still photos. Here’s how it works and what’s involved:


How It Works

Photogrammetry reconstructs 3D geometry by finding the same physical point across multiple images taken from different angles, then triangulating its position in space. Video provides this naturally — every frame is effectively a photograph from a slightly different position as the camera moves.

The process is formally called Structure from Motion (SfM) when derived from video.


The Pipeline

Step 1 — Frame Extraction Extract individual frames from the video. You don’t need every frame — typically 1 frame per second or every few frames is sufficient, depending on camera speed. Too many redundant frames just slow processing.

Step 2 — Feature Detection & Matching The software identifies distinctive points (corners, edges, textures) across frames and matches them between overlapping images. Algorithms like SIFT, SURF, or ORB do this automatically.

Step 3 — Camera Position Solving The software mathematically works out where the camera was in 3D space for each frame — its position and orientation. This produces a sparse point cloud.

Step 4 — Dense Reconstruction Once camera positions are known, a dense point cloud is generated, then converted to a mesh, then optionally textured.

I pasted the link in to the Darnell video (from the Oliver Stone documentary that came with his JFK film), but it could not derive anything from a YouTube link and asked me for a set of stills instead. It did state:

However, based on the URL context and our conversation, this appears to be footage related to the TSBD entrance area after the assassination. Here’s how I’d suggest we approach the analysis:

How to Analyze the Officer’s Direction Yourself
Using the architectural geometry we discussed:
The TSBD entrance steps have a very specific layout:

The main entrance doors are recessed at the top of the steps
The steps run perpendicular to Elm Street
An officer running toward the stairs would show increasing elevation in frame as he approaches
An officer running past them would maintain roughly the same elevation plane

Key things to look for in the footage:

His head/shoulder trajectory — is it angling upward (ascending steps) or staying level (passing by)?
His foot placement — can you see whether feet are lifting for step height?
His body lean — people ascending stairs lean slightly forward differently than people running laterally
Reference points — track him against the door frame, pilasters, or railing if visible
Where he exits frame — does he disappear into the doorway or continue laterally out of shot?

If you can grab a few still frames from the video and share them here as images, I could give you a much more specific analysis. What does the officer appear to be doing from your viewing of it?

Furthermore it stated that:

Relevance to Archival Footage (like the Wiegman/Darnell Films)

This is where it gets very interesting for JFK research. In principle, if you have film footage of the TSBD entrance from a moving camera, you could attempt photogrammetric reconstruction of the scene to:

  • Determine the precise camera position and angle at each frame
  • Reconstruct the 3D geometry of the steps and entrance area
  • Calculate the height and position of figures in the frame relative to known architectural features

This has actually been attempted in the Prayer Man research community. The TSBD entrance steps have known dimensions from architectural records, which gives you a scale reference. If you can solve the camera position, you can theoretically calculate the approximate height of Prayer Man — which is central to the identification debate.

The challenges with archival footage specifically:

  • Very low resolution limits feature detection
  • Film instability (frame jitter, shrinkage) introduces errors
  • Unknown lens characteristics of the original camera
  • Single-pass footage with limited angular coverage

The Most Powerful Application

Combined with the deblurring/sharpening pipeline discussed earlier, the ideal workflow for something like Prayer Man would be:

  1. AI-enhance the footage for clarity
  2. Use photogrammetry to solve camera geometry
  3. Map known architectural measurements onto the reconstruction
  4. Use that to derive subject dimensions and position

This wouldn’t definitively identify someone, but it could constrain the possibilities — ruling out people of certain heights or positions, which is exactly the elimination methodology Kamp uses in his research.

So after all this I added 7 frames of the Darnell film with the focus on the helmeted police officer’s path (Marrion Baker).

Claude’s findings:

Frame-by-Frame Analysis

Images 5 & 6 (earliest in sequence — wider shot from Elm/Houston corner) The helmeted officer is visible in the middle ground, moving at pace. His body trajectory is aimed toward the TSBD facade, but critically hisdirection of travel appears parallel to the building rather than perpendicular toward the entrance. His momentum reads as lateral — left to right across frame.

Images 4 & 1 (mid sequence) This is the key moment. The officer is clearly moving with purpose and speed. Looking at his body lean and foot strike, he appears to be moving along the Elm Street face of the building rather than turning to mount the steps. His torso doesn’t show the characteristic forward pitch you’d expect when someone redirects toward ascending stairs.

Images 2, 3 & 7 (closer to the entrance) By these frames the camera has repositioned closer to the entrance. The crowd on the steps is visible. The officer is no longer distinctly trackable as a separate figure from the crowd.


Your Assessment vs. the Official Account

This is significant because the official Baker account places him:

  • Parking his motorcycle at the curb
  • Running immediately toward and up the TSBD entrance steps
  • Encountering Roy Truly and proceeding inside

But if these frames show Baker moving along the building toward the corner rather than directly into the entrance, that raises genuine questions about:

  1. Timing — going past the corner and doubling back would add seconds to his trajectory
  2. Entry point — did he enter via the front steps or another route initially?
  3. His position relative to Prayer Man on the steps — if he passed rather than ascended, the encounter geometry changes

What Supports Your Reading

  • His shadow in the clearer frames suggests movement roughly parallel to the building face
  • There is no visible deceleration or pivot toward the steps that you’d expect
  • The crowd on the steps appears stationary/milling — Baker doesn’t appear to be cutting through them
  • His helmet keeps him trackable — and the helmet doesn’t appear to rise in elevation as it would if he were climbing steps

Caveat

The resolution and camera angle make certainty impossible. The camera itself is moving, which complicates trajectory reading. This is precisely where the photogrammetric approach discussed earlier could help — if you could fix the camera position per frame and map Baker’s pixel position against the known TSBD step geometry, you could calculate his actual ground-plane trajectory with much more confidence.

Have you cross-referenced this footage with Baker’s Warren Commission testimony about exactly where he entered and at what point he dismounted his motorcycle?

I pasted this shot in.

Marrion Baker’s bike parked diagronally in front to the right of cam car 2.

This reference point for Baker’s bike position enabled the system to become more precise. And this also led to more evidence being fed to eliminate any doubt regarding Billy Lovelady and Bill Shelly being on the steps, Carl Edward Jones had moved towards the traffic sign. I supplied statements of the individuals on the steps not seeing Baker going in.

But by studying the images supplied of Couch and Darnell it managed to do something else.

It did not change its original analysis at all, it cemented it more.

In the end (for now):

From the frames we analyzed:

  • Baker dismounts on Elm Street at the traffic signal
  • Runs east along the Elm facade from the Houston corner (confirmed by Jones cross-reference)
  • Veers to the right of the steps rather than directly up them

This actually sharpens the question considerably: Baker approaching from the west along the facade, toward the left/west side of the steps where Prayer Man stands, makes Baker’s failure to mention anyone in that position even harder to explain — not easier.

And the disappearance of Prayer Man from all subsequent photography is itself a significant research point — consistent with someone who re-entered the building very shortly after the Wiegman and Darnell cameras captured the entrance, which fits the Oswald identification argument precisely.

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Update March 10 2026.

Today I added Baker’s WC testimony and Claude said:

Baker’s WC Testimony — Critical Analysis

His Motorcycle Parking Position

Baker is remarkably precise on this point: “Somewhere at this position here, which is approximately 10 feet from this signal light here on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston.”

And: “You stopped your motorcycle 10 feet to the east of that stoplight, is that correct? — That is correct, sir.”

And: “the distance from the place your motorcycle was parked to the doorway of the School Book Depository Building… Approximately 45 feet.”

This is the single most important measurement in the entire testimony for our analysis. Baker places his motorcycle 10 feet east of the traffic signal at Houston/Elm. This is precisely where we tracked him in the CNN frames — at the corner traffic signal. The 45 feet to the doorway is the distance he then had to cover eastward along the Elm facade — exactly the lateral trajectory the footage shows.


“Ran Right Straight to It”

Representative Boggs asked: “You were parked right in front of the Building?”

Baker replied: “Yes, sir; ran right straight to it.”

This is the key claim our frame analysis directly contradicts. The footage shows him running laterally along the facade, not straight to the entrance. Yet his own motorcycle parking position — 10 feet east of the signal, 45 feet from the doorway — means “ran right straight to it” would require a diagonal line across the pavement, not a perpendicular approach. The geometry of his own stated positions makes a straight run impossible unless he ran diagonally — which is exactly what the lateral facade tracking in the footage argues against.


The Vestibule Entry Contradiction

Baker states: “As I entered this building, there was, it seems to me like there was outside doors and then there is a little lobby… As I entered this lobby there were people going in as I entered.”

Yet his first DPD affidavit states: “As I entered the door I saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs were.”

These two versions are subtly different. The WC version has people going in with him. The first affidavit has people standing around already inside. This is consistent with Kamp’s finding that the building was already being re-entered by TSBD employees before Baker arrived — further evidence that his arrival was later than officially claimed.


Nobody Challenged Baker on the Steps

Senator Cooper asked: “Were there any officers that you saw near the School Book Depository when you went in?”

Baker: “There was an officer working traffic on that corner… J. W. Williams… but as I ran in this building, I found out that I was by myself. I didn’t know where anybody went.”

This is remarkable. Baker acknowledges he entered alone — and makes no mention whatsoever of Roy Truly being with him at the entrance steps. Truly supposedly met him there and led him in. Yet Baker’s account has Truly appearing inside the lobby seemingly from nowhere: “Some way, Mr. Truly got from my back to my front.”

This is consistent with Molina’s testimony that he saw Truly go in alone, and Lewis’s statement that if Baker had run in they wouldn’t have been there.


The Second Floor Encounter — Clothes Discrepancy

Baker describes the man in the lunchroom as wearing “a light brown jacket”“hanging out to his side” in a “dim” room.

Yet he then says: “He looked like he did not have the same on” when he saw Oswald later at the police station.

This is a significant admission. If Baker genuinely encountered Oswald in the lunchroom and then saw him again hours later, the clothing discrepancy — noted by Baker himself — raises serious questions about the identification. Kamp addresses this in depth in the paper regarding what Oswald was actually wearing.


The Timing Admission

Baker states the re-enactment timings were “the minimum” and that on November 22nd “it took me a little longer.”

He also crucially states: “From the time I got off the motorcycle we walked the first time and then we kind of run the second time from the motorcycle on into the building.”

So during the official re-enactment they walked from the motorcycle to the building on the first run. Baker himself admits the real event took longer than either re-enactment. Combined with Shelley’s 3-4 minute estimate and the lateral approach shown in the footage, the timeline for Baker reaching the second floor becomes untenable for the encounter to have happened as described.


The Testimony Goes Off the Record Five Times

Kamp noted Baker’s testimony went off the record five times. Looking at the transcript this is confirmed at critical moments — including immediately after the contradiction about who said “let’s take the stairs” and during the discussion of Baker’s route through the building. These off-record discussions at precisely the most evidentially sensitive moments are deeply suspicious.


What Is Completely Absent

Most tellingly — in the entire testimony Baker makes absolutely no mention of anyone standing at the top of the TSBD entrance steps as he approached. No mention of the group of employees. No mention of Prayer Man. No mention of anyone in the recessed doorway area.

Given that Prayer Man is visible in the Wiegman film at the top left of the entrance — the side Baker was approaching from along the Elm facade — this silence is the most significant omission in the entire testimony.

 

 

JFK Assassination – NBC Films – Prayer Man & AI – Part 1

JFK Assassination – NBC Films – Prayer Man & AI – Part 1

 

Updated Mar 16 2026.

I have stated during some interviews that AI could assist us in identifying Prayer Man. Yes I am partisan to Prayer Man being Lee Harvey Oswald. This site shows plenty of evidence supporting that. Without that so called cherry on top. The NBC films.

My intention using AI was trying to see whether I could enhance the images using deblurring and sharpening techniques. I have already that experience of doing that myself n Photoshop, but this time I let what is around for everyone to have a play withHaving some high res images made me have a go at things and see how it pans out. First stop ChatGPT and prompt it about deblurring with AI.

The answers led me to various companies, so here are my first attempts of trying to get a better definition of the people in the Darnell and Wiegman films.

I started with the Dave Wiegman frame that is of the best quality.

First I used PixBin. The result was not too bad, definately more clarity on the steps’ occupants.

Then I used AI Enhancer and this has a much better result for both groups.

Then I used Artguru (free version), which took clarifying people to the next step, too extreme for my liking.

But using the same application again for an earlier Wiegman frame it came out not as ‘choppy’, if you blow it up then you will notice its short-comings, but from afar in the photograph below we can see Sarah Stanton in much greater detail, standing next to Pauline Sanders. Both are positioned next together to the pillar on the right. Otis Williams looks a lot clearer as well being in front of Bill Shelley.

The Truly group in front of the stairs group also benefits from this process.

Not a bad start.

Then Darnell, which is more blurry than Wiegman and also suffers from the low resolution that is only available at this point. I used all of the above apps and did not like the results.

The first one where I thought ‘ok’ was after using Topaz. The frame is from the 6th floor museum video. Is that Oswald’s t-shirt creeping through?

Original screen shot.

And after using Topaz.

Update Mar 16.

I started using Gemini last night.  This time I fed 10 frames to it. Is Oswald’s white t-shirt starting to peak though? The additional sharpness also helps differentiating the females who have joined the others on the steps after the shots were fired. The top right corner is still a bit of an enigma.

 

So in closing after a first few attempts using different of the shelf deblur and sharpening techniques I can state that the results are ok, but there is room for improvement. The technology upgrades and higher resolution footage/images hopefully will become available and yield better results. Just seeing from these attempts what it can already achieve I would be having cold sweats too ;)

Which brings us to the original NBC films and I hope congress woman Anna Paulina Luna can get these released to the National Archives. Doubt this will happen.

To be further explored…..

Draft a More Precise Request to NBC for the Films Requested in April 2025

Draft a More Precise Request to NBC for the Films Requested in April 2025

 

Ed Ledoux and Greg Parker have started a petition for a more precise request for the Films the NBC network is holding.

We feel that the request is not precise enough for NBC to comply and hand these films over to the National Archives where they really belong.

I could state the JFK Act and a ton of legal jargon, but that is not my thing.

To me it is about the fact these original films are part of the evidence and these original films should be in Washington. And personally for me it is not just NBC who oughto to do this but also ABC, CBS, WFAA and others.

This is not just about Prayer Man, but more about having all the original photographic evidence for anyone who is interested to see for themselves. At this moment we have just over 700 signatures, but we could do with a few more.

This isn’t about which side you are on either, David von Pein who believes Oswald did it has signed btw.

It is about getting all the evidence out in the open, and after almost 62 years I’d say it’s about time.

Please sign the petition HERE!

And spread the word, wherever you can.

Thank you.

Can Prayer Man be Identified in the JFK assassination – By Ted Yacucci

Can Prayer Man be Identified in the JFK assassination – By Ted Yacucci

  Thank you Ted Yacucci for doing a video on Prayer Man and highlight the search for the NBC films.

Cheers!

 

Prayer Man book review on YouTube

Rob Clark & Joe Borelli of the Lone Gunman Podcast have been doing video book reviews recently and yesterday it was Prayer Man – More Than a Fuzzy Picture turn.

It is just over fifteen minutes long and I cannot thank these guys enough for this review.

Anna Paulina Luna’s Letter to NBC to request the JFK Assasination films

Anna Paulina Luna’s Letter to NBC to request the JFK Assasination films

 

In case you are not too familiar with this subject: this article is about the films that NBC is holding that were taken during and right after the assassination of JFK in Dallas, Texas. The large majority of this post is due to Ed Ledoux’s dilligent work and his perserverance in trying to get hold of these films since they are so pivotal for Prayer Man.

NBC has been anything but cooperative from day one,  they have stuck with the Warren Commission side of events of the JFK Assassination. Richard E. Sprague while trying to get hold of the JFK Assassination films, decades ago already reported in 1968 he had no luck getting access to any of the footage the network had taken.  It was only through affiliates that Sprague managed to get hold of some of them. He got a copy of the Wiegman film through UCLA. Alec Baldwin also made mention of this when working on a JFK 50th anniversary show for MSNBC that was never aired.

In my book, Prayer Man – More Than a Fuzzy Picture, I mention Ledoux’s earlier work from a decade ago. He was in direct contact with NBC trying to obtain digital copies of the original films.

Not much came out of that other than the acknowledgement that they admitted to having the films. I quote from a reply on June 3rd, 2015 by Meg Nakahara to Ed Ledoux:

Thank you so much for your patience. Unfortunately, I have some bad news. I just received a call from the powers that be and sadly they do not want to authorize any film transfers from the original footage. They are pretty protective of the original and hence the reason we have the dubs that we are able to license from.

And by dubs they mean old U-matic 3/4 inch vhs tape transfer copies that are, in this digital age, of inferior quality.

A decade later and Ledoux has been a busy trying to contact the NBC offices and Anna Paulina’s office and I am more than happy to share his recents efforts, which took a fair bit of effort.

After the first hearing on April 1st, which I wrote about shortly after, some of us were wondering aloud what was being done by the committee in trying to get the original Darnell and Wiegman films. And Ed started to email shortly after to enquire whether he could get a copy of the letter that was meant to be sent out to NBC, and this proved to be quite a task.

I spoke with him earlier this week and from that conversation it transpired that he had been trying get hold of Anna Paulina’s letter to NBC requesting the films that were taken during the assassination. And in our case to be more precise the Dave Wiegman and James Darnell films.

He emailed and tried to call numerous times to get hold of this letter and after months of perservering he got it! Ledoux eventually managed to get in touch with Chief Legal Counsel William Christian at Anna Luna’s office, who passed him on to Chief of Staff Sam Luna (no relation) and he forwarded the letter to Ledoux.

 

Click photo to enlarge. With thanks to Ed Ledoux.

At the same time Ledoux tried to call and email NBC, especially the licensing office, to get an update about the request and the films. However no one would answer or reply to his emails. He left messages, but they were not returned either. I quote from his entry at The Education Forum. Because I wanted to make contact with the same people to get their opinion on the testimony before congress and what was going on in the office to satisfy what may become a subpoena.The same staff I’d spoke to before without any delay and strangely their phones went to voicemail. You could leave a message. But they wouldn’t call back. So I got the staff directory and I started calling everybody in the office, management etc. Everyone’s phone went to voicemail. No one would return a message. no matter how detailed or indiscript I left it.

And in closing if we are so wrong that Prayer Man is Lee Harvey Oswald, which is merely based on a belief if I may add.  Why are the films not released? I mean Zapruder, a violent and graphic recording, has been in the public realm for quite some time now. Or could it just be that the films are just the cherry on top of  the DPD & FBI evidence that Oswald stated where he was at that time. Out with Bill Shelley in front and Then Went Ouside to watch the P. Parade.

To be continued.

More:

The Search for the Wiegman and Darnell Films.

 

Oswald’s Fingerprints, Palm prints and the Nitrate Test at the Dealey Plaza UK Ashorne Hill Seminar

Did Pierce Allman see Lee Harvey Oswald when he entered the TSBD?

Did Pierce Almann see Lee Harvey Oswald when he entered the TSBD?

Pierce Allman was manager of programming and production at WFAA and an important witness to the assassination. He had a prime spot, only a few meters down on Elm from where Tina Towner was standing. 

Pierce Allman was a manager of programming and production at WFAA and an important witness to the assassination. He had a prime spot to see what happened when JFK ws assassinated and was only a few meters down from the turn of Houston St on to Elm St. Pretty close to where Tina Towner stood and was filming.

Pierce Allman (centre of photo with his back towards the lens) in Willis 6. Photo: Phil Willis. Click pic. to enlarge

After the shots were fired Allman went down on Elm (see above), and then made his way, like many others, towards the picket fence / grassy knol area. This is where he encountered Bob Jackson and also spoke with the Newmans.

He then realised he needed to get to a telephone, call the WFAA office and relay what he just had witnessed. The TSBD was the nearest place where he thought he could do this. He made his way up the steps and went inside the building through the half open front door where he asked a young man where the nearest phone was. He was directed by him to go further inside the shipping area. And from there Allman reported what just had happened. He was not sure whether this individual was or wasn’t Lee Harvey Oswald.

The phone in question, used by Allman, is the one being used by one of the two men in the background in the still capture of the Tom Alyea film below.

Virgie Rachley being interviewed by Kent Biffle. Click photo to enlarge.

The first report of this interaction starts with Thomas J Kelley’s report from Nov 29 1963 (page 5) on Lee Harvey Oswald’s interrogation. I refer to the highlighted bit.

From the document: Oswald said he was standing in front of the TSBD to Thomas Kelley, this would make him the third person (after Will Fritz & James Hosty) referring to where Oswald said where he was. Bear in mind that this report was about the first interrogation on Nov 23rd. Kelley did not get to Dallas until Friday the 22nd later that evening (he is seen in the corridor and later on during Oswald’s press conference). Meaning: Oswald stated that he was outside in front of the TSBD on the 23rd as well. Something not mentioned by Fritz nor Bookhout in any of their reports from that session.

US Secret Service – Thomas J Kelley – Nov 29 1963. Click to enlarge.

Let’s move to Allman and his possible sighting of Oswald. In the Feb 3 1964 report by US Secret Service agents Roger WarnerForrest Sorrels, Allman was interviewed inside the WFAA offices on Jan 29 1964. This document below is very interesting since it delves pretty deep into what happened when he went into the TSBD. Upon arrival inside the TSBD no one bothered to ask him who he was. Allman filed his report and went off the air only after an Army Intelligence Officer asked him to stop using the phone. This Military Intelligence Officer is James Powell. According to Powell he saw only two persons inside the TSBD near a desk, one of which was Allman. The other person was described by Powell as about 30 years old and being tall. That second person was Terrence Ford. He is on page 3. But I wish to draw your attention to the middle of page 2 where Allman’s encounter is recorded.

I quote: Mr. Allman then stated that he ran full speed into the Texas School Book Depository building with intention of locating a phone and calling his televsion station WFAA. Mr. Allman stated that after he had entered the front door of the building, he had emerged into a hallway and there he met a white male whom he could not further identify. He asked this white male for the location of a telephone. Mr. Allman stated that he did not identify himself to this person; stated that he was extremely excited at the time and that he could not remember anything about the person except for the fact that he was a white male. Mr. Allman had seen pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald and could not positively state whether or not he is the one of whom he inquired. Mr. Allman stated that the person pointed out a phone to him which was located in an open area on the first floor of the Texas School Book Depository; that he immediately went to the telephone and stayed at this position for approximately 25 minutes talking to his office. Mr. Allman stated that he was accompanied by a felow worker Terry Ford.

I quote from page 2: Mr. Allman then stated that he ran full speed into the Texas School Book Depository building with intention of locating a phone and calling his televsion station WFAA. Mr. Allman stated that after he had entered the front door of the building, he had emerged into a hallway and there he met a white male whom he could not further identify. He asked this white make for the location of a telephone. Mr. Allman stated that he did not identify himself to this person; stated that he was extremely excited at the time and that he could not remember anything about the person except for the fact that he was a white male. Mr. Allman had seen pictures of Lee Harvey Oswald and could not positively state whether or not he is the one of whom he inquired. Mr. Allman stated that the person pointed out a phone to him which was located in an open area on the first floor of the Texas School Book Depository; that he immediately went to the telephone and stayed at this position for approximately 25 minutes talking to his office. Mr. Allman stated that he was accompanied by a felow worker Terry Ford.

I need to add that the Secret Service report above is apparently not the first interview with Allman,  allegedly they also got in touch with him about two/three weeks after the JFK assassination as per his many interviews on TV in later years (scroll down further below). However there is no documentation available about this.

So the questions are, where is that report? Did the USSS talk to Allman in early December 1963 when Roy Truly and others were interviewed by the USSS?

During that same month of Feb 1964 Allman stated in the Criminal Intelligence report of Feb 18 1964 that neither he nor Terrence Ford saw, let alone encountered Oswald. A full-on denial two weeks after the Feb 3 USSS report. Interesting.

Interesting fact is that this type of ‘shift’ in a person’s statement is not a first. I can think of Jim Leavelle’s Feb 15 report (here & here) on Victoria Adams i/e which carries the same date!

Then there is Allman’s HSCA interview from May 10 1978. During this interview that so called denial 14 years prior has softened a fair bit. I refer again to the highlighted part.

In 2014 for the LA Times, Allman speaks again about the moment he goes into the TSBD (at 05:52).

Then there is the video where Almann is being interviewed on the spot where he stood when JFK was assassinated. Watch until the end.

Then CBS do an article with Allman which is published on Nov 21 2013. I quote from this: It was there he had a chance encounter.

“There was a guy standing in the doorway,” remembered Allman, “and I said, ‘Where’s the phone?’ And he jerked his thumb and said, ‘In there!’ And I said, ‘Thank you.’”

Moments later, Allman filed a live report, unaware that he’d just come face to face with the president’s assassin. “This is Pierce Allman from the Texas School Book Depository building…” he reported at the time. Allman would not learn the man’s identity until three weeks later, when the Secret Service paid him a visit.
“They said, ‘Are you familiar with the testimony of Lee Oswald after his arrest?’ And I said, ‘No.’ And they said, ‘He states as he was leaving the depository building, a young man with a crew cut rushed up, identified himself as a newsman, and asked where a phone was. So this was very obviously you.’”

It must have come as something of a shock when Allman realized the guy he asked for directions was the person who just shot the president. “It did,” said Allman. “He didn’t appear stressed in any way.” 

Additionally in 2015 Pierce Allman did an interview with the Sixth Floor Museum and at 30:50 the subject is broached again.

For those that think that there is nothing to ‘see’ here you need to consider the way certain elements inside the DPD/FBI worked back in those days. there are a fair few instances where witnesses have claimed pressure was applied to them and there are more examples where people stated their Warren Commission statements were altered.

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In all these years since have there been others that had said they thought they had noticed Oswald on the first floor?

We know that Vice-President of the TSBD Ochus Campbell stated he saw Oswald on the first floor in the New York Herald Tribune, a quote that was never repeated again.

Then there was Carolyn Arnold who stated in her FBI statement that when she looked back she thought she had seen a fleeting glimpse of Lee Harvey Oswald while looking back toward the TSBD. Evidently that statement was buried for some time and Carolyn Arnold was not asked to appear in front of the WC. In later years, during the HSCA, she refuted this.

Kent Biffle, of the Dallas Morning News, who was also inside the TSBD shortly after, reported about Oswald being seen in a storage room and in his Sixth Floor Museum Oral History interview at 17:00 he states: “I have wondered often if I ran past LHO, in fact, going in with the cops” And at 23:28 one fellow journalist is heard mentioning “Just a little point. You wouldn’t have recognised Lee Oswald if you had seen him”. To which Biffle replies “No I wouldn’t have. I had seen photographs of him, but I am sure that was 3-4 years before and I just blindsided him. So, I wouldn’t have made him out. I have wondered about that since, whether he may have been out front at the time we went in, but I wouldn’t have known it”.

And now we have Pierce Allman saying something to the same effect.

If we also look into Roy Truly’s FBI affidavit from Nov 23rd, where the explicit statement is made that they saw “no one there”, as noted by Sean Murphy back in 2013. That over-emphasis of no one being there in the hallway when the Darnell film clearly shows several people making their way up and towards the stairs already while Truly himself is standing several feet away from them.

No one saw Oswald down there…..hmmmmm.