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Jim Murray at Parkland and DPD 3rd floor
Jim Murray photos inside the DPD 3rd floor, near Captain Fritz’s office. Also two shots of Parkland at night.
Scanned by ROKC from the Richard E. Sprague Collection at the Archives.
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I managed to buy a set of front sections of the Washington Post Nov 23rd up to and including Nov 29th.
Then had these sent to Terry Martin who scanned the pages in for me by making scans of each quarter page, and from whereon I stitched them back together as the scans would allow me to. I think I did an alright job.
I am only showing mostly Oswald related stuff.
All ROKC scans by Terry Martin.
The large pages are fairly big, click on the image to see full size scan.
Nov 23rd.
Love that highlighted bit above!
Nov 24th
The first bit refers to Molina, the second to the encounter. At 12:45?
Nov 25th.
Nov 26th.
Nov 27th.
Nov 28th.
Nov 29th.
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More shots by Jim Murray of Black Star, scanned by ROKC from the Richard E. Sprague Collection at NARA.
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Found another batch with some interesting shots taken by Jim Murray. We see Captain George Max Doughty with Oswald’s finger prints, also Buell Wesley Frazier captured from behind while moving through the corridor and we see Jesse Curry of course. I like the shot with Oswald pleading his innocence to the press core while Elmer Boyd looks into Murray’s lens. I have to say that Murray had a real good sense where to be to get the shots.
I have more, but it looks like I am heading to busy times, so will have to find a slot to do some, whenever that may be. But for now enjoy this set and the previous ones.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Captain George Max Doughty, Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray. Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Captain George Max Doughty, Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Captain George Max Doughty, Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Captain George Max Doughty, Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Captain George Max Doughty, Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- BWF seen from behind, Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Jesse CuDallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.rry by Jim Murray
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
- Dallas Nov 1963 by Jim Murray.
Previous sets
http://www.prayer-man.com/detective-j-b-johnny-hicks-sergeant-william-e-pete-barnes/
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Lately a few individuals have tried to claim that Prayer Man was very short and they used ‘calculations’ and the ‘fact’ that Lovelady was standing on the landing when Dave Wiegman filmed the front of the TSBD. They used Lovelady’s height to ‘prove’ that Prayer Man (read: Lee Harvey Oswald) was way shorter and could not possibly be Oswald.
Let’s debunk this shall we?
All types of faulty and/or made-up calculations and lines drawn on a picture were presented as analytical research, none of which was supported by any type of evidence. No one bothered to mention what camera Wiegman was using, nor could any one present an exact location as to where Wiegman was filming from, add on that all this happened while the vehicle he was standing in was moving which makes it even more difficult to ascertain Wiegman’s position.
In short: utter junk science that no one else than the believers Richard Gilbride and Albert Doyle seemed to subscribe to and they ended up trolling a few forums with their science.
While going through the photos of the Wiegman film I came across a neat little find two days ago, something that I was only able to do so as we managed to get a high resolution scan from the NARA archives in the Richard E. Sprague collection.
The find was Bill Shelley (underneath No.3), with Prayer Man being No. 1 and Billy Lovelady No. 2. This pic. is from the second segment Wiegman filmed of the front of the TSBD and it also shows that Lovelady has stepped down (compared to his position in the first segment) and it also shows that Shelley has moved slightly more to the left (he is now behind Otis Williams whereas he is more to the right of him in the first segment, see the 4th photograph below). This is a good indicator that while the shots were fired they already made a move to go down and check out what was going on. The two Gerda Dunckel GIFs show that Shelley and Lovelady had left the steps and made their way to the rail road yard further west of the building within seconds after. I go in great detail about this HERE.
Shelly was standing on the top of the landing. Whereas Lovelady was not, as he stated in 1964 in an article by Dom Bonafede “I was standing on the first step”
Lovelady had a very curious attitude as he is seen in much lower on the steps and to the left, behind Roy Lewis/Carl Edward Jones in the Hughes film. This is while the motorcade is turning on to Elm St.
Altgens 6 shows that Lovelady moved up and further to the right, his distance is further away from Jones.
Brian Doyle and Richard Gilbride have been claiming, that Prayer Man is too short to be Oswald. This of course is not supported by anything but made-up calculations and picking up pseudo science from other peeps such as Drew Phipps and presenting pix with neat little lines and numbers that basically amount to nothing. Not one person at the forums this bunk was posted at supported any of it.
The kicker is that Lovelady was not standing on the top landing, because he is seen leaning against the railing in the first segment of the Wiegman film. Check his body posture compared to all other individuals on those steps, they are all standing straight, even though Lovelady is following the events happening down Elm St and his body is turned into that direction his body posture shows he is leaning. Take a look at the 2nd segment photo and you see that Lovelady is standing straight on the steps, as he is making a move going downwards.
The issue with that is you cannot lean against the railing while standing on the top landing!
See for yourself in the photograph below. The railing is mounted flush on the vertical part of the last step leading to the landing, the bar of the railing would be slightly in front of the landing. The deniers will claim that it is still possible, yet it would be so awkward and since Lovelady’s posture doesn’t ascribe to that it is safe to say that Lovelady from standing just behind Roy Lewis / Carl Edward Jones moved upward and to the right to the 5th or the 6th step of the TSBD stairs.
But why do we not throw something valuable on top and that is a statement by Lovelady himself in May 64 published in the NYHT by Dom Bonafede.
The lens Wiegman used was a wide angle lens, this creates distortions and Lovelady while moving downward as in the 2nd segment would appear slightly taller than Prayer Man since he is, by that time, standing more forward.
But what is more important is that Prayer Man is of roughly the same height as Lovelady and THAT makes Prayer Man, besides the enormous amount of other evidence a prime candidate to be Lee Harvey Oswald.
No stranger
No woman
No other TSBD worker has been identified for that position.
Oswald himself said: ”Out with Bill Shelley, in front”.
No dwarf either.
Brian Doyle and Richard Gilbride should get back to the drawing board and come up with their next scheme as this one, like their previous ones is dead in the water.
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Then there is another issue as to what Prayer Man was doing with the shiny object he is bring towards his face.
On my calibrated screen (and if you do not have one you may experience issues seeing this clearly as I do) the Wiegman film shows he using one hand (his right) to bring iot towards his mouth. This is not a camera! But more than likely the bottle that was photographed in Prayer Man’s position after the deed.
Close-ups of Robin Unger’s gif.
- Wiegman film, GIF by Stan Dane.
- Wiegman film, GIF by Stan Dane.
- Pic: William Allen.
- Pic: William Allen.
- Pic: William Allen.
- Pic: William Allen.
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Some Shel Hershorn shots, quite rare (not any more :) ) and show a possible sniper position, which has a way better view than the so called sniper’s nest on the 6th floor of the Texas School Book Depository.
I have no idea when and why they went into the DalTex building to take these pix of a possible sniper’s position.
ROKC Exclusive scans from the Richard E. Sprague collection at NARA.
- Pic: Shel Hershorn
- Pic: Shel Hershorn
- Pic: Shel Hershorn
- Pic: Shel Hershorn
- Pic: Shel Hershorn
- Pic: Shel Hershorn
- Pic: Shel Hershorn
- Pic: Shel Hershorn
- Pic: Shel Hershorn
- Pic: Shel Hershorn
- Pic: Shel Hershorn
- Pic: Shel Hershorn
- Pic: Shel Hershorn
- Pic: Shel Hershorn
I asked Bob Prudhomme what rifle was being used in these shots and he replied the following:
“This is a sporterised 6.5mm Carcano, but not the short rifle model that Oswald allegedly used. This is a sporterized 6.5mm Carcano M91 (or M91/41) long rifle. Three things give it away.
1. The distinctive protruding Carcano magazine.
2. The very obvious split bridge on the receiver, requiring the bolt handle to be almost vertical when extracting a cartridge.
3. The M91 and M91/41 were made with straight bolt handles. If you look closely, you can actually see where a gunsmith has heated this handle up with a torch, and bent it downward, giving it a more sporty look.
I might also point out that, if this is a Carcano rife (and I believe it is one), there is no way a scope could be mounted directly above the receiver, as shown here. It would have to be offset to the left of the receiver, as can be seen on C2766.
There are two reasons for having to offset the scope to the left on a Carcano.
1. As I pointed out, the bolt handle stands straight up when extracting an empty cartridge, and would hit a scope directly above the receiver. Even the bent down handles will interfere with a scope.
2. As the Carcano must be loaded with a clip, there is no way a clip can be inserted into the magazine with a scope directly above the receiver.
Then there is the issue as to when these were taken, well….at the education forum the discussion pointed to an old thread started by Don Roberdeau about Mack White who was in Dealey Plaza as an eleven year old.
I quote: “At one point, my father pointed out the so-called “sniper” window to me. As I was looking up, my eye wandered away from the window to the fire escape on the building across the street–the Dal-Tex building-where I saw two men taking turns looking through the scope of a rifle mounted on a tripod.
I was alarmed. “What are they doing?” I asked.
“It’s part of the investigation,” said my father.
So the police were checking out an alternative sniper perch. Evidently, that morning, there was still something resembling a real investigation. The investigation, of course, would end the next day with Oswald’s death.”
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I went through some of the contact sheets ROKC managed to snag from Richard E Sprague’s NARA collection.
Here is another batch.
All photos: Jim Murray.