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The movie has been out and about just over three weeks and has had about 1,000 hits so far, which is more than I thought I would have so this amount has been a pleasant surprise.
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Stan Dane, and a few others did their best to gather as many likes, clicks or better yet viewings of the movie and the feedback has been extremely positive. I made a few mistakes such as misspelling two authors names, which is a massive screw up from my side, thanks to Ray Mitcham for pointing that out and this will be rectified for V2.
I have already applied some changes with regards media, Linda Giovanna Zambanini has been very helpful with identifying a few peeps and I myself have been lucky as well so there are more images to some of the peeps who are mentioned in the movie. The strange thing is that this quest to identify the people and the law enforcement personnel is only something from the past 3 years or so that online researchers started to dig into the identities of the peeps that were ‘involved’.
The overall goal with V2 is to make it all a bit more comprehensive and above all clearer for everyone to go through since it is quite a bit of data that needs to be absorbed. I myself think that the movie will be closer to two hours once the other bits have been added. The women will get their ‘say’: Vicky Adams, Sandra Styles, Carolyn Arnold, Geneva Hine are a few that will be featured. The interrogations of Oswald will get a huge redo. The intro will be changed as well. So in short V2 will be a complete new movie.
And then after V2, the book and this website will get my full attention, the site already gets sporadic page updates, but at some point the big one will happen and all text and media will be added on en masse, when that will be is still a bit of an enigma but no doubt I’ll be shouting this of the roof tops once done.
The negative reactions I received were piss poor not one could refute the barrage of evidence that was used in conjunction with the media presented. They could only push their own ideas forward since that is the only thing they can believe in, instead of reading and above all studying all the evidence, zealots who will only believe what they see as true. Quite boring actually and not worth any further attention.
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Buell Wesley Frazier, has always been a major person of interest in this case, he allegedly took Lee Harvey Oswald to work that day and let him go with his ‘package’ inside the TSBD. A package not seen by Jack Dougherty when Oswald entered the building.
Charles Douglas Givens asked Buell Wesley Frazier where his rider was when he walked inside the TSBD and I am not going into depth about all that as it is widely discussed at ROKC HERE
Buell Wesley Frazier has been one of the few Texas School Book Depository employees who is alive and still talks about that day in 1963 in Dealey Plaza, Dallas Texas. In the last few years he has been more talkative than the years before when he would only go to the 6th Floor Museum or participate in a documentary doing his run one more time in an old car reenacting the ride he had with Lee Oswald that morning.
Buell Wesley Frazier was in for rough treatment from the DPD later that day after he was picked up from the hospital while visiting a sick relative and just before he was about to be arriving at home he was hauled back in. We know that Captain Will Fritz wanted him to sign a confession in being an accomplice, which he refused after Fritz raised his hand to strike at him, why this did not happen is a bit of an enigma and perhaps the Lancer 2015 Conference can give some more answers in Jan. 2016 when the transcirpt and video becomes available.
Here are 4 shots from the Richard E Sprague archive ROKC managed to scan in at NARA
Pic. credit Jim Murray
Larry Hancock made a blogpost about Buell Wesley Frazier’s appearance there, at Lancer. In the comment section at the bottom and I quote “Frazier says that he went out on the steps and was intent on looking out and down, he can identify folks in front of him such as Lovelady but he does not recall ever turning around and looking to his side or behind him so he has no direct recollection of anyone at all standing where PM appears to be located. He can’t make any identification from the photo…which is no big surprise. He also has no idea of whether that person had been there for a time or might have come out when everyone else was on the steps. I did get the impression that the steps filled up with people from the building and that it was unlikely any outsider had pushed through to the top of the steps so whoever it was somebody from inside the building.”
I find this whole scenario hard to swallow, especially when the still grab from the Jimmy Darnell film clearly shows he is looking and possibly interacting with Prayer Man, hell Prayer Man is even looking back. There is no need to deny this,the shot says so.
Enter Greg Burnham, someone who forbids any discussion of Prayer Man at his forum, but has bought the ad words for it to get top ranking in Google (go figure).
He posts at the Education Forum: “David Mantik told me a few days ago that at this year’s Lancer Conference Buell Wesley Frazier denied that Oswald was anywhere near the front of the TSBD, on the steps, or was Doorman. Frazier is an eyewitness who was there, who knew Oswald, and was in a position to know if LHO was there or not. Frazier was unequivocal about it.” Again this has hardly any bearing whatsoever, why would Frazier admit to it, as that would mean that the jig was up if he admitted to it there and then. Plus why these two all of the sudden put their snouts in the Prayer Man through is questionable as well. Surely trying to grab the glory for the discovery of it all, since I cannot think otherwise as this part of the case has hardly had a mention or one iota of research by them these past few years in any way.
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Yes!!!!!!!!!
Here it is, finally :) Go full screen for a maximum visual experience, as it is upped at 1080 pixels.
Enjoy
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I am sorry for not being that active on the blog front these past two weeks, reason for that is that a bundle of work was tossed my way which meant I was away a lot and I am also working on getting this movie finished which will be shown at the Melbourne ROKC Conference, but also at the yearly DPUK JFK remembrance gathering on the 22nd this month.
The film itself will be online on the 23rd for everyone to see. This will be a first draft with a more in depth version to follow some time in Q1 2016 alongside with the book that I have been blabbing about for months. And again this is also why this site will remain a work in progress for a few more months to come.
What I can say is that we managed to get some kick arse pix from a certain researcher and we have been scanning this material in. We also have more to come over the next week or so, some of it will appear in the movie, the book and this website and I can assure you that many of these shots have not been seen by the average JFK researcher before let alone the general public! This is all thanks to one certain ROKC member who has spent a few days numbing his skull scanning all the work in. My deepest gratitude for him to do all this.
I attach a few screens of backgrounds that will be used for the movie “Only The Shadow Knows: Prayer Man, More Than Just A Fuzzy Picture” out in 9 days!
- James Altgens
- Malcolm Couch
- James Darnell
- Captain Will Fritz
- Marrion Baker
- Tina Tpwner, Mark Bell and Robert Hughes
- Harold Weisberg
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But boy did it help the JFK research community, however for my forthcoming Prayer Man movie, part 1 I needed a larger res.
The movie will be shown at the ROKC Conference and at the DPUK meeting on Nov. 22nd. It will be shown in its full glory on the 23rd for the rest of the world to view.I dug out two relatively larger film clips from documentaries and I asked Ed Ledoux to build me a new clip with the focus on Marrion Baker and above all Prayer Man.
So there it is in full glory and in slow motion.
Thank you Ed!!!
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Rob Clark did another pod cast on Prayer Man, this time with a lot of info from Stan Dane’s recent book Out Of The Shadows And Into The Light: Prayer Man. A book I will review in the next week or so myself.
It contains a few mistakes but overall it is a huge improvement compared to last year’s episode which I reviewed a few weeks back. Great work Rob now please tell all your listeners to contact the 6th FloorMuseum and ask for the release of the 1st generation copy of the Darnell film!
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This article was orginally posted on Oct. 17 2015. It has been in part re-written, re-edited and updated in Sept. 2024.
In March 2015, Gary Mack sent a few members of the Education Forum a PM which contained some info on the Darnell & Wiegman films, I quote from the PM Darren Hastings received (third post from the top), and I quote from his post: NBC owns the original Wiegman film but when producers of JFK: Death in Dealey Plaza asked them for it 12 years ago (at my request), NBC could only locate a 1960s-era video tape of it. We wound up using, I think, a 1963/1964 theatrical newsreel version held by UCLA.
NBC took the original Wiegman and Darnell films from the Dallas NBC affiliate to New York following the assassination weekend. Whether the network still has the original Darnell film is unknown, but as a former employee I know the affiliate does not have it or a copy. Nor does Jimmy Darnell.
Fortunately, a first-generation 16mm copy print was made in Dallas over that weekend and it is in the Museum’s collection; however, the Museum cannot do anything with it until copyright issues are resolved. It’ll happen, and sooner rather than later.
Then in Sep 2015 I happen to see this NBC5 news segment from roughly two years prior, I speculate that it was because of the 50th anniversary. In this video Gary Mack, at that time the curator of the Sixth Floor Museum, visited the archives of NBC5 in East Fort Worth. Mack had a close relationship with the channel. He used to work for KXAS (as the network was named before it became NBC5), starting in 1981, according to the NYT, where part of his job was to manage and preserve the station’s film archives and its coverage of the assassination and its aftermath.
The video shows Mack of the 6th Floor Museum going into a room in a basement of NBC 5, where various boxes are standing on shelves which contain WBAP (later to become KXAS) film spools of the JFK Assassination and above all its aftermath, looking at this makes me think about all the excuses TV corporations and disinfo agents spread about the films being hard to find or ‘locked away’ when the video clearly shows that the films are just placed in a box without any serious form of preservation and identification present.
My and a handful of others’ quest has always been to find the best possible versions of the Dave Wiegman and Jimmy Darnell films. It has been challenging to say the least.
Then UNT Libraries posts a press release, which now has been removed from their website, and replaced with this page where they state that they will house the complete news archive from NBC5/KXAS (formely WBAP) from 1950 – 2012 and that the UNT Library will digitise all this material.
Following this I contacted the UNT Library on Sept 7 2015 and conversed with Morgan Gieringer, I asked her about the films and if there was an inventory list of them.
I quote from her reply: KXAS made a prior agreement with the 6th Floor Museum in Dallas to donate all JFK related news footage to the museum. You will need to contact them with this inquiry.
After getting this message the first thing I did was to contact the 6th Floor Museum through Twitter and asked them if they had these films. To which I got the following reply.
I contacted MG again and asked: another email from me, just when I thought and you probably as well the matter was closed, but the funny thing is that when I asked the 6th floor museum whether they had the KXAS film collection and they denied they had any of it.
She replied on Oct 9: Our social media response that we do not have the WBAP (now KXAS) / NBC5 films in our collection here at The Sixth Floor Museum was accurate. By now you have probably heard directly from the station, as I let them know about your inquiry. That material is still maintained by the station and is managed by NBC Universal Archives. It is searchable online here.
It is regrettable that you were misdirected by the UNT Library, but we have since made sure they are aware that the material in question is not in our collection.
I contacted NBC 5 as well and Sharla Alford assistant to the News Director/Custodian of Records got back to me promptly telling me that the University Of North Texas or the 6th Floor Museum has got all the JFK Assassination related film material from KXAS.
I replied and asked her if she could provide an inventory of the films, to which I got a reply from Brain Hocker, who is the VP of programming, research and digital media at NBC5.
He forwarded me to their online archive instead containing all the video screeners that were beamed across the nation that weekend and just after. Video, exactly the low resolution is not worth the bother, as the HD documentaries that have shown snippets of these films are in a larger resolution than what was offered to me. Furthermore the Darnell film was nowhere to be seen and the Weigman film was shown 3 times, and only once did it show the front of the TSBD.
I replied asking them (Brian Hocker at NBC5 and Megan Bryant at the 6th Floor Museum) several questions:
1/The film reels are clearly shown in the NBC5 news item, as shown above, just dormant in some boxes on a shelve in the basement at NBC5 archives, so where are they now?
2/Why are they not being digitised at ENT since everything else from that period of KXAS is?
3/Where are the original Darnell and Weigman films?
4/Can we get some high resolution still scans of the 1st gen. Darnell film that is at the 6th Floor Museum?
Then in August 2024 the Sixth Floor Museum issues a press release about the Darnell film. Furthermore the museum shares the film for public viewing.
Dennis Morrisette posts at the education forum (5 posts from the bottom) that Stephen Fagin has replied to his email: Thanks for your e-mail. We know there has been some interest in the Museum’s recent YouTube upload, and we are so pleased to be able to finally share the Darnell film online considering the researcher interest over the years. To clarify, the Museum does not have the camera original Darnell film. To our knowledge, if that film still exists, it is with NBC in New York. What we have is a print of the film that originally came to the Museum as part of the G. William Jones Collection back in 2006. Since the Museum did not have the rights from the local NBC affiliate (NBC 5 / KXAS-TV) to use the WBAP-TV footage in the Jones Collection, we were not able to do anything with the films without KXAS’s permission for specific projects. This changed only recently when NBC 5 / KXAS-TV generously donated their assassination-related footage to the Museum—and included rights to the WBAP-TV footage already in the Museum’s Jones Collection, which includes our print of the Darnell film. The late Gary Mack speculated that our copy of the Darnell film was a first-generation print of the film and shared this belief with researchers many years ago. I was twice asked about this same print of the Darnell film at JFK Lancer conferences, and I noted at that time that we could not be certain that it was a first-generation print. That is still the case. So, again, this is the same print that has been in the Museum’s possession since 2006. We simply now have the rights to share it publicly. What we put online is an excerpt from the digitization of the film, so the quality is as it appears. It is the same transfer that researchers were previously able to view by appointment in the Museum’s Reading Room.
Ok so what can we ‘discover’ in that film that wasn’t in view before in earlier versions?
I managed to see Otis Wiliams still being on the steps. Something I could not see In previous Darnell versions, it was nothing more than a highlighted blurry blob. Now you can see Williams, wearing his white shirt and tie has at the time Darnell filmed the Marrion Baker run remained in the same position as he has been in the Altgens 6 photo
and the Dave Wiegman film.
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Stan Dane’s book is out and I am jealous, the man is a machine!!!!
Stan, it’s a fabulous piece of work and a welcome addition to JFK Assassination research. Anyone whois interested in JFK assassination research should get this, I mean $ 9.00, it’s a steal.
Get it!!!!
Buy the Kindle edition HERE
Print editions to follow.