REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

My comments in red

The timing of 4:05 for the finding of the transfer ticket just doesn't work... I think it was "backdated" and here's why...

The envelope gives the impression it was sealed at 4:05.
Envelope would have to be back dated if Sims and Boyd ran the transfer up to Fritz and then showed Mcwatters at 6:20 for second showup.

No questions were asked about a bus ticket immediately after for the Markham show-up, In fact, in the following interrogation, tey get their first real clue about how he got away... because this is when Roger Craig makes his appearance. We know the cops took this lead seriously because Curry was still under the impression this was the most likely means of transsport when interviewed saturday evening.
Right, by following the news reports and statements of Wade, Curry, et al, we see how and when the story evolved.
He even said they were looking for the driver. Yes, he wanted to talk with a Negro driving a car. Eventually he found one, Whaley.
There is no way they take Craig seriously if they have a bus ticket found on the suspect. 6:30 is the show-up for McWatters. It is not until the interrogation after that in which any questions are allegedly asked about a bus... that interrogation began ast 7:55.
Correct, they then have Whaley enter the story on Saturday.
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth184999/

I know there is other evidence suggesting the ticket was found at 4:05,  Please explain what other evidence points to a 4:05 finding of the transfer??? but how solid is that evidence really? If it could have been faked, it was because Craig's appearance and the initial acceptance of the Rambler story plus no bus questions before 7:55 show it was "found" no sooner than the appearance of McWatters.

Here is something else that looks a little odd to me... the bus ticket has been added in under a different hand
Looks like printing is similar, it is all printed as it is all evidentiary, like Ring, etc.

I'll try this - any flaws - point out and shoot 'em down. Okay lets go!

Oswald tells them (per Kelley report etc) that he left by bus, obtained a ttransfer and hopped another bus to go to the TT. Or maybe he said he just took a bus to the TT.

This is not mentioned to the press and is later covered up due to the fact that it gets him off the hook for Tipit shooting,

Then came Roger Craig's story. This assumes top billing as getaway because, unlike bus -> bus, this can be used against him re Tippit - and conspiracy was still on the table... so one more person (the driver) was not an ussue. Correct, idea is that he is heading to Jefferson and Marsalis to use the transfer is stopped on the way and shoots Tippit. This does not work for a guy riding a bus to the movies. Yes conspiracy was very much in play with BWF, Molina, Givens and various others being accused of just such.

Next came the report of the young man laughing maniacally on McWatters bus. It is assumed this must have been Oswald. They grab Mcwatters Wait they grab McWatters before really talking to Bledsoe? You know how this sounds?and realise from his punch that Oswald was on a different bus. Possible LHO was on a different bus but did not need or get a transferSolution, they take one of Cec's tickets, punch it with Cec's punch Ahhh his transfers would have been punched already, they just needed to tear the transfer were they thought it would have been torn and get him to confirm it is a ticket from his bus and must be one of the two transfers he gave out. , which I would like to agree with the Bus driver of that route, but without the booklet we are left to wonder why an assumption would need to be made by anyone including Cecil. He just needed to check the booklet to know for certain. Did he? Thanks to the Ball and Belin show we may never know what happened to the evidence this whole bus ride is predicated on. If his book had no F'in transfers missing then he sure as hell did not give any out. If the whole book was empty then Cecil is a moron or a lier as he would have been passing out transfers as fast as he was getting passengers.
Assuming he only gave out two we are still stuck with an out of sequence issuance of a transfer.  Then the line-up. Ces is confused. The maniacal laughing man is not there. But wanting to help, he picks Oswald as the closest in looks. Except that is turned into a possitive ID.

This scenario is made possible by what looks like evidence of two tickets in the hands of the DPD.

One ticket is listed on the property receipt of pocket litter taken from Oswald at arrest (it is not otherwise identified by a number, route or anything else) Yes! Just a Dallas bus transfer for 11/22.

- the other is sealed in an evidence envelop to send to the lab with the time backdated to 4:05 to disguise the fact that it came from McWatters bus. 4:05 is the story and they are sticking to it no matter what else anyone says. Could be anything in an envelope and marked 4:05 at anytime so why mark an envelope that way?

Having now put Oswald on Cec's bus, they must get him off - else there is no hope of getting him to Tippit on time... enter the taxi and Whaley. Or better yet enter the transfer, ans a need to go to the Dallas Transit Company and start fishing.

After all this, they then - in the reports they would later write - have Osawld admittng - against his own interests - that yes he was on that bus and in that cab. That's how desperate they had become. Agreed, pre-counsel statements which LHO would know better than giving any information or even confirming information presented to him by DPD, because cops are allowed to lie to a suspect to get them to confess, or divulge further information. Classic tactic would be putting BWF in a room and LHO in another and going back and forth saying the other has squealed.

There is no way Oswad was going to be allowed to have a trial. Did Ruby live to see trial? Fritz, was indeed, signaling Ruby with his hand to move in and had left plenty of room for him to do it... against the plan he himself had formulated to keep oswald safe during the transfer. Yes you don't need to wave people away whom were not there, unlike the car which should have been parked by the door already. So after all the delays they couldn't even get the car in the right spot . Again the DPD showed lack of care for the President and a subject under their control. They lost both to gunfire in a single weekend. As Mark Lane said the Dallas Police did not distinguish themselves that day, 11/22 or any other day since.

I bet the ticket listed in property was not pristine... If a ticket made it to property it was pristine as it did not come from Oswald,
it came from a booklet Cecil had on the bus.
If LHO took an Oak Cliff bus he did not necessarily need a transfer to get to the TT. And any transfer would be used to accomplish the transfer to another bus, the transfer thus taken by the driver of the bus he boarded.
If a transfer was taken off Oswald by Sims it went into Fritz's desk drawer never to be seen again...and was replaced with one from Cecil's bus.

LHO would of had no use for a transfer though that I can fathom.
Only purpose getting on a bus and asking for a transfer you don't plan using, is to show what time you had been on the bus. An instant alibi.
This would be the crazy Ivan like we see in soviet sub tactics. Walk one way for a while, get the dog to follow, then double back to see who is following, then hop in a cab/bus. This only happens when a tail is in place. To ditch the tail. Wonder how many cabs were hailed by men on Nov 22 with cameras saying "Follow that bus!"? 

Only thing the transfer did was transfer LHO out of a car and onto a bus.

Thanks for the corrections and further insights, ed. Amazing stuff!

Greg at February 15, 2015 at 5:53 AM

The more I think about how close he was to the James Markham situation

Might have some good news down the track on this situation...  

and the daughter Pat?

DULWORTH, PAT

Helen Louise Markham's daughter.

CD 1456, p. 4

I don't think I want to know why he has PAT tatooed on his arm?

What would I give to find the provenance of the following clipping.  Especially given the bus crash news story that is very conveniently contained directly beneath the main story:

If I was a betting man, and I am, I'd wager a good few grand that the above newspaper clipping arrived in the following envelope which is postmarked March 13, 1964.  The day after the newspaper article appeared on March 12, 1964.  In other words, IMO, Cecil was receiving direct threats in his mail:

Ed Ledoux at February 26, 2015 at 4:35 PM

I don't think I want to know why he has PAT tatooed on his arm?

Looks like an inbred family to me, Ed.  If Helen was directly related to one of the Barrow boys then we can rest assured they weren't altogther right in the head.

Lee Farley at March 15, 2015 at 9:39 AM

Ed Ledoux at February 26, 2015 at 4:35 PM

I don't think I want to know why he has PAT tatooed on his arm?

Looks like an inbred family to me, Ed.  If Helen was directly related to one of the Barrow boys then we can rest assured they weren't altogther right in the head.

Well done, Lee. I have to agree, it's a threat. Posted in Dallas by a semi-literate. One of the Markhams would have to be up there on the suspect list. Was this in the Commission Documents?

http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/forums/topics/show/13122617-dallas-transit-transfers-?page=14

When I was looking at it I thought it was a school assignment, write to someone in the newspaper. Good Timmy you picked the Bus Man.
But then I read the article is about who is next to give the WC testimony. Thus Cecil is due up next.
And Cecil McWatters is underlined.

Its a pretty idle threat if there was one, I mean there just happens to be another article on that page about a bus crash.
Seems very literate of the illiterate writer to include that portion if it was a veiled threat. No underlining of the bus crash , etc.
And You Next Maybe seemd like a kid wanting to share the article and ask if he was next.

A threat would be YOU MAYBE NEXT and an arrow to the bus crash...though it does not state if the Bogata death road Bus driver survived.

Although a Markham relative could be reponsible.


But lets not pass up the most important part of the article,

"An FBI agent - whose name was not released - identified a container that was found in the book building - evidently the one that held the rifle..."
"...Mrs. Randle saw them leave since she lives near a house where Oswald was staying...."   Makes me think Linnie was saying the opposite of what she told the WC. She told the WC she did not see them leave. The article gives me the impression that Linnie saw Wes pick up Lee at the Paines from a "distant" observation rather than the story she and Wes gave. Poor Essie Mae had to be coached as to what to say and still got the hands empty/carrying a bag part...drats. Well two outa three ain't bad.
Could be nothing, but Linnie swears she never saw Wes and Lee leave.
Yet Linnie gives that curious description of a Package Covered in Brown Paper.
A gun carton is usually how a gun is shipped in the mail or even when purchased new in a store.

Mr. CASTER. Well, I left the Depository during the noon hour and had lunch and, while out for the lunch hour, I stopped by Sanger-Harris sporting goods department to look for a rifle for my son's birthday---I beg your pardon, Christmas present--son's Christmas present, and while I was there I purchased the single-shot .22--single shot--and at the same time was looking at some deer rifles. I had, oh, for several years been thinking about buying a deer rifle and they happened to have one that I liked and I purchased the .30-06 while I was there.

Mr. BALL. And did they box them up?

Mr. CASTER. They were in cartons; yes.

Mr. BALL. And then you went back to work, I guess?

Mr. CASTER. Yes; I picked both rifles up in cartons just like they were, this was during the noon hour, and as I entered the Texas School Book Depository Building on my way up to the buying office, I stopped by Mr. Truly's office, and while I was there we examined the two rifles that I had purchased.

Mr. BALL. Did you take them out of the carton?

Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.

Mr. BALL. Who was there besides you and Mr. Truly?

Mr. CASTER. Well, I'm not really sure who was there. I think you were there, Bill, and Mr. Shelley was there---and Mr. Roy Truly. The only people that I know about, in any event, were there; there were workers there at the time, but I'm not quite sure how many. I couldn't even tell you their names. I don't know the Texas School Book Depository workers there in the shipping department

Mr. BALL. In that office, though, Truly's office, how many were there?

Mr. CASTER. We weren't in Mr. Truly's immediate office, we were just there over the counter.

Mr. BALL. In the warehouse?

Mr. CASTER. We were there in the hall--just right there over the counter in front of the warehouse; that's right.

Mr. BALL. And did you take the guns out of the carton?

Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did. They were removed from the carton.

Mr. BALL. Did you handle them?

Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.

Mr. BALL. Did anybody else handle the guns?

Mr. CASTER. Mr. Truly handled them and I'm not sure whether Mr. Shelley had the guns in his hands or not; I'm not positive.

Mr. BALL. How long a time were you there with the guns, and by time, just estimate it.

Mr. CASTER Well, it couldn't have been more than to minutes.

Mr. BALL. What did you do with the guns after that?

Mr. CASTER. I put them back in the carton and carried them up to my office.

Mr. BALL. And what did you do with them after that?

Mr. CASTER. I left at the end of the working day, oh, around 4 o'clock and took the guns in the cartons and carried them and put them in my car and carried them home.

Here we have Rose telling us what Linnie Mae Randle said to Adamcik about the bag.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/14/1462-002.gif
"It was Long Wrapped in Paper or a BOX"

What did Adamcik tell the WC about Linnie and the bag/box?

Mr. ADAMCIK. Coming back, Mrs. Frazier, I believe it was, drove up to the house as I was coming back with--no, it was Mrs. Bill Randle. She (Mrs. Randle) was a neighbor there and she was driving up to the house, so I asked her whether she knew anything about what had happened, and whether she had seen Lee Oswald, and she did tell me that Lee Oswald rode to work with her brother, which is Wesley Frazier, who was staying with her, and he rode to work with him that morning. She told me that she saw--she was up early in the morning and was drinking coffee, and saw Lee Harvey Oswald go across the front yard, across the yard carrying like a long package wrapped in something, carrying it from the Paine house to Wesley's car.

Mr. BELIN. Did she say how he was carrying the package?

Mr. ADAMCIK. No; she didn't. I think we got an affidavit. In fact, I know we did, but I didn't take it.

Mr. BELIN. Did she say about how long the package was?

Mr. ADAMCIK. No; she said it was long and wrapped in a paper or a box.

Of course Wes had plenty of time to go home or elsewhere, he had left the TSBD without waiting around for the roll call. A roll call he not only was not listed on he also hung around for  "a few minutes after"...yeah sure got a witness Wes?
Then where Wes? He stutters a bit when asked about this. He has to stop a think, then says he did NOT go directly home...What does that mean? Did he go Indirectly home?
He may have gone home, talked to Linnie, made up a story which he told her and she bought it, and then headed to the hospital.
Linnie would throw off the cops with a game of 'Where's Wesley', similar to Where's Waldo minus the stocking cap.
This will slow or stall for enough time till Wes gets to the hospital, by telling the DPD to go to a Dallas hospital rather than stop by the Irving one.
How Linnie would not know which hospital the old man was in is another mystery. Perhaps he was transferred? Of course if your transferred the transferring hospital would know whom you are and where they transferred you to.
Was Linnie never asked about this error?
The cops, Rose Stovall Adamcik, make it sound like they got back to DPD made a call to Parkland.
Parkland says something like they don't have a patient by that name I assume from what the Rose Stovall Adamcik officers claim, so they assume I assume that Wes went to the Irving Medical Center and call it next.
They get lucky, the second try, and find the patient and thus Where is Wes.
Good guess work, or Parkland said they transferred that patient to Irving medical?

It could very well be Wes gave Lee a ride home.
Perhaps to a back alley Beckley safehouse.
Wes does have missing time.
Is also missing from that roll call list.
Lee needed a lift to Oak Cliff or to the Texas Theater.
Enter Wes.
Lee and Wes both "don't think there will be any more work" so they both leave.
Put two and two together...

Was the bus and cab story a cover for Wes the driver? 

Wes the driver could have legs.

I don't really understand your rationale about the letter, Ed.  If I received that letter, in Cecil's position, my mind would be thinking a million different things - - none of them good.  A threat does not have to spell itself out.  It can be vague.  It can be veiled.  It can be subtle. This letter, with its writing on the newspaper page, is fucking spooky.

If this turned up in my mail I'd be on edge.

Yes I agree it was seen as such a threat. But to me it is more a childs letter to the bus man. Nothing more sinister than a second grader with office supplies and a newspaper.
Anyways not sure why someone would threaten Cecil, to make him tow the line in his WC testimony perhaps.
The text on the article is not the same as the envelope, thus making this a conspiracy. It was also mailed making it a Federal crime.
I have not seen any fingerprint or other evidence generated by this letter or envelope.
We should check to make sure we have not missed anything else related to these items.
Did Whaley get a cab crash story...oh that's right he was a cab crash story.
Hmm need more input on the items before we can be sure if it was a real threat or a class room assignment.
The only thing spooky is the lack of return addresss, and the two hands whom made these, the article writer was using cursive for YOU.
The envelope looks like it was done by an left hand of a right handed person. Or again a child younger less skilled than the article endorser.
The 5cent stamp could contain DNA from being licked, it could also have been wetted with water.
Is it 3-20-64 JMS?, Which DPD officer who that be?

The back of the envelope.
11 x 22 cm.
It is sealed and could contain DNA, or nothing. Does not look like fingerprint powder or chemical testing has been done, odd for a threat, although test could of taken place after photos.
There is no tape on the rear.
There is a mark from the Po.

It was mailed in the afternoon, PM of 13th. Spooky!

But seriously besides Bus Man's fan mail,
I was re-reading a long thread
http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16665&page=14
and what I don't know if after all the reading, I caught that the inventory has three items listed.
1) Postal Form.
2) Label with George Bouhe address.
3) Postal Form Lee Oswald.






Now look at the 3 again. It used to be an 2.... Now there's something spooky.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?321541-1/discussion-kennedy-assassination-records

Hope this hasn't been posted before.
It shows the actual transfer...but..not the back I don't think.

Cheers

Pretty amazing for a 50 year old transfer!
Not sure if the back is shown but the video shows some other stuff in fairly high res as well i that is germaine to anyones interest.

NOTICE that there is no "fingerprint juice" on this?
(it's hard to get fingerprints off newsprint apparently...)
Cheers

good find mr Nova

Yes very good find.
Notice how delicate the paper is and how she carefully picks it up. This does not support the notion of it surviving in LHO's pocket during the scuffle and arrest and brutal treatment.
The transfer is excuplatory. It proves LHO's innocence in the Tippit murder. All this would have been forthcoming at trial.
LHO would have shown a bright spolight on the corrupt Dallas police and Distric Attorney's office.
If LHO went to trial, the DPD, Will Fritz and Henry Wade would be the ones on trial.
Pity Lee did not survive DPD custody. 

Ed Ledoux at March 30, 2015 at 4:52 PM

Yes very good find.
Notice how delicate the paper is and how she carefully picks it up. This does not support the notion of it surviving in LHO's pocket during the scuffle and arrest and brutal treatment.
The transfer is excuplatory. It proves LHO's innocence in the Tippit murder. All this would have been forthcoming at trial.
LHO would have shown a bright spolight on the corrupt Dallas police and Distric Attorney's office.
If LHO went to trial, the DPD, Will Fritz and Henry Wade would be the ones on trial.
Pity Lee did not survive DPD custody. 

Too bloody right Ed,

been reading a lot about Mr. Wade...time to ramp up the spotlight on this one, what a prick.

Shameful!

I'm going after Wade, he deserves to be remembered as bent as hell, a crooked piece of shit.

I don't care that it was Texas 1963, Thats just a cop out (pun intended)

Ed Ledoux at March 16, 2015 at 10:22 AM

http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/forums/topics/show/13122617-dallas-transit-transfers-?page=14

When I was looking at it I thought it was a school assignment, write to someone in the newspaper. Good Timmy you picked the Bus Man.
But then I read the article is about who is next to give the WC testimony. Thus Cecil is due up next.
And Cecil McWatters is underlined.

Its a pretty idle threat if there was one, I mean there just happens to be another article on that page about a bus crash.
Seems very literate of the illiterate writer to include that portion if it was a veiled threat. No underlining of the bus crash , etc.
And You Next Maybe seemd like a kid wanting to share the article and ask if he was next.

A threat would be YOU MAYBE NEXT and an arrow to the bus crash...though it does not state if the Bogata death road Bus driver survived.

Although a Markham relative could be reponsible.


But lets not pass up the most important part of the article,

"An FBI agent - whose name was not released - identified a container that was found in the book building - evidently the one that held the rifle..."
"...Mrs. Randle saw them leave since she lives near a house where Oswald was staying...."   Makes me think Linnie was saying the opposite of what she told the WC. She told the WC she did not see them leave. The article gives me the impression that Linnie saw Wes pick up Lee at the Paines from a "distant" observation rather than the story she and Wes gave. Poor Essie Mae had to be coached as to what to say and still got the hands empty/carrying a bag part...drats. Well two outa three ain't bad.
Could be nothing, but Linnie swears she never saw Wes and Lee leave.
Yet Linnie gives that curious description of a Package Covered in Brown Paper.
A gun carton is usually how a gun is shipped in the mail or even when purchased new in a store.

Mr. CASTER. Well, I left the Depository during the noon hour and had lunch and, while out for the lunch hour, I stopped by Sanger-Harris sporting goods department to look for a rifle for my son's birthday---I beg your pardon, Christmas present--son's Christmas present, and while I was there I purchased the single-shot .22--single shot--and at the same time was looking at some deer rifles. I had, oh, for several years been thinking about buying a deer rifle and they happened to have one that I liked and I purchased the .30-06 while I was there.

Mr. BALL. And did they box them up?

Mr. CASTER. They were in cartons; yes.

Mr. BALL. And then you went back to work, I guess?

Mr. CASTER. Yes; I picked both rifles up in cartons just like they were, this was during the noon hour, and as I entered the Texas School Book Depository Building on my way up to the buying office, I stopped by Mr. Truly's office, and while I was there we examined the two rifles that I had purchased.

Mr. BALL. Did you take them out of the carton?

Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.

Mr. BALL. Who was there besides you and Mr. Truly?

Mr. CASTER. Well, I'm not really sure who was there. I think you were there, Bill, and Mr. Shelley was there---and Mr. Roy Truly. The only people that I know about, in any event, were there; there were workers there at the time, but I'm not quite sure how many. I couldn't even tell you their names. I don't know the Texas School Book Depository workers there in the shipping department

Mr. BALL. In that office, though, Truly's office, how many were there?

Mr. CASTER. We weren't in Mr. Truly's immediate office, we were just there over the counter.

Mr. BALL. In the warehouse?

Mr. CASTER. We were there in the hall--just right there over the counter in front of the warehouse; that's right.

Mr. BALL. And did you take the guns out of the carton?

Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did. They were removed from the carton.

Mr. BALL. Did you handle them?

Mr. CASTER. Yes; I did.

Mr. BALL. Did anybody else handle the guns?

Mr. CASTER. Mr. Truly handled them and I'm not sure whether Mr. Shelley had the guns in his hands or not; I'm not positive.

Mr. BALL. How long a time were you there with the guns, and by time, just estimate it.

Mr. CASTER Well, it couldn't have been more than to minutes.

Mr. BALL. What did you do with the guns after that?

Mr. CASTER. I put them back in the carton and carried them up to my office.

Mr. BALL. And what did you do with them after that?

Mr. CASTER. I left at the end of the working day, oh, around 4 o'clock and took the guns in the cartons and carried them and put them in my car and carried them home.

Here we have Rose telling us what Linnie Mae Randle said to Adamcik about the bag.
http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/14/1462-002.gif
"It was Long Wrapped in Paper or a BOX"

What did Adamcik tell the WC about Linnie and the bag/box?

Mr. ADAMCIK. Coming back, Mrs. Frazier, I believe it was, drove up to the house as I was coming back with--no, it was Mrs. Bill Randle. She (Mrs. Randle) was a neighbor there and she was driving up to the house, so I asked her whether she knew anything about what had happened, and whether she had seen Lee Oswald, and she did tell me that Lee Oswald rode to work with her brother, which is Wesley Frazier, who was staying with her, and he rode to work with him that morning. She told me that she saw--she was up early in the morning and was drinking coffee, and saw Lee Harvey Oswald go across the front yard, across the yard carrying like a long package wrapped in something, carrying it from the Paine house to Wesley's car.

Mr. BELIN. Did she say how he was carrying the package?

Mr. ADAMCIK. No; she didn't. I think we got an affidavit. In fact, I know we did, but I didn't take it.

Mr. BELIN. Did she say about how long the package was?

Mr. ADAMCIK. No; she said it was long and wrapped in a paper or a box.

Of course Wes had plenty of time to go home or elsewhere, he had left the TSBD without waiting around for the roll call. A roll call he not only was not listed on he also hung around for  "a few minutes after"...yeah sure got a witness Wes?
Then where Wes? He stutters a bit when asked about this. He has to stop a think, then says he did NOT go directly home...What does that mean? Did he go Indirectly home?
He may have gone home, talked to Linnie, made up a story which he told her and she bought it, and then headed to the hospital.
Linnie would throw off the cops with a game of 'Where's Wesley', similar to Where's Waldo minus the stocking cap.
This will slow or stall for enough time till Wes gets to the hospital, by telling the DPD to go to a Dallas hospital rather than stop by the Irving one.
How Linnie would not know which hospital the old man was in is another mystery. Perhaps he was transferred? Of course if your transferred the transferring hospital would know whom you are and where they transferred you to.
Was Linnie never asked about this error?
The cops, Rose Stovall Adamcik, make it sound like they got back to DPD made a call to Parkland.
Parkland says something like they don't have a patient by that name I assume from what the Rose Stovall Adamcik officers claim, so they assume I assume that Wes went to the Irving Medical Center and call it next.
They get lucky, the second try, and find the patient and thus Where is Wes.
Good guess work, or Parkland said they transferred that patient to Irving medical?

It could very well be Wes gave Lee a ride home.
Perhaps to a back alley Beckley safehouse.
Wes does have missing time.
Is also missing from that roll call list.
Lee needed a lift to Oak Cliff or to the Texas Theater.
Enter Wes.
Lee and Wes both "don't think there will be any more work" so they both leave.
Put two and two together...

Was the bus and cab story a cover for Wes the driver? 

And the hits just keep comin'

Wes is as good as done, thanks to your efforts Ed.

If you don't mind I might swing this one over to where's your rider

No worries Mick!
Share away.
I can do this all day... the Warren Commission proves itself wrong over and over.

I do wish I could make out the bus number or name from the Elsie Dorman film.
It starts with her exiting a bus near her home. She lived 1233 E. Louisiana between Ewing and Denley in South Oak Cliff.  Of note Elsie, whom was not only at an open window but was also FILMING the assassination was not asked to testify. She thought the shots came from across the street from the direction of the County Records building though.
Same as Billy Lovelady as he stated in his affidavit. Elsie would bugger up the commissions theory of a sixth floor shooter. Lovelady was brought into line by time of his testimony...yet he switched to a railyard shooter. 

It is interesting that Edward Shields HSCA testimony about LHO leaving the TSBD and the bus stopped there at that time so he hopped on. At least that is the hearsay about LHO activities.
Take this in to account with Wes's late story of LHO walking out the back dock and walking down Houston then crossing Houston, then crossing Elm where he was lost in the crowd. Very vivid recollection from Wes for it to be a mis-remembrance. But no bus stop or bus involved...

Ed Ledoux at April 28, 2015 at 6:21 AM

No worries Mick!
Share away.
I can do this all day... the Warren Commission proves itself wrong over and over.

I do wish I could make out the bus number or name from the Elsie Dorman film.
It starts with her exiting a bus near her home. She lived 1233 E. Louisiana between Ewing and Denley in South Oak Cliff.  Of note Elsie, whom was not only at an open window but was also FILMING the assassination was not asked to testify. She thought the shots came from across the street from the direction of the County Records building though.
Same as Billy Lovelady as he stated in his affidavit. Elsie would bugger up the commissions theory of a sixth floor shooter. Lovelady was brought into line by time of his testimony...yet he switched to a railyard shooter. 

It is interesting that Edward Shields HSCA testimony about LHO leaving the TSBD and the bus stopped there at that time so he hopped on. At least that is the hearsay about LHO activities.
Take this in to account with Wes's late story of LHO walking out the back dock and walking down Houston then crossing Houston, then crossing Elm where he was lost in the crowd. Very vivid recollection from Wes for it to be a mis-remembrance. But no bus stop or bus involved...

I've tried in vain Ed to get to see the bus #. I used Lightroom and google screenshot capture to no avail.

Thanks Mick!
Actually you would be better served to advance the frames forward to when the number on the side of the bus comes into view. Frames are a bit clearer then also.
Look for it near the door.
I will let you go first with what you think it is, I don't want to muddy the water for you.