REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

Thanks B! Doesn't look like he is up for a discussion...

Nope he did not get back to me at all.....

JFK The Lost Bullet 720

Ed Ledoux at May 4, 2015 at 5:56 AM

Excellent job mate!

401 or 402 perhaps?

402, is what came to me when I looked at the screen shot above.

This is the best sample I could gather, now does this not show as 4 digits, starting something like 44X2....????

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http://s801.photobucket.com/user/kegeshook/media/bustransfer.png.html?sort=3&o=54

"What Do You Need Me To Say Whaley" changed his story more than a cabbie in a conspiracy. 
He flip flopped on where he dropped the rider. At the address he wrote down? {Past it? Before it?} 
http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth340509/m1/1/
vs
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/whaley3.htm
He said he dropped passenger in the 500 block. That is where the fare was written for. That is what he said in his affidavit.
Yet he changed this to droping off his fare in the 700 block.
The mudding of the water with Neely Street being brought up and used as a landmark is subterfuge...and thus suborning perjury was exercised.

Heck Whaley had Oswald wearing two jackets, a striped shirt, and a expanding bracelet with Lee on it...seriously.
Too good to be be true never applies better than here for Whaley's testimony. He lied about this under oath.
I am sure he was pressured to aid the framing of an escaping Oswald and thus the timing of Oswald's supposed murdering of Tippit.
He was no hero. His death a shame, he never had a chance to tell the truth,,,,but his fare was ordinary and not a one Lee Harvey Oswald.
Whaley's fare was over and done by the time Oswald would have left the building.
Whaley was a dupe or worse. I can call Whaley a liar because its been proven that is what he was. Lying for the right reasons doesn't make those lies correct or even allowable in a court of law. Yet suborning perjury is what was allowed from William H Whaley and commission counsel.

It astounds me these lies are still upheld by the Media (Mainstream) and often repeated.

Oswald was never in Whaley's cab.

From Jesse Curry's JFK The Assassination File

Ed:

"It astounds me these lies are still upheld by the Media (Mainstream) and often repeated.

Oswald was never in Whaley's cab."

This is the core of the problem, those little lies compounding one by one until an avalanche of fraudulent circumstantial evidence sent Lee to his date with destiny.

It makes me feel sick to the stomach.

Its like a death of a thousand cuts Mick.
Seems this is exactly what they wanted, to bury the innocent under a pile of garbage.

Makes me wonder about those NEWS services.
Wouldn't it be news that Oswald was not on the bus, in the cab, at the rooming house, murdering Tippit or even on the sixth floor when JFK got shot.
Seems that would be more solid reporting than was done on 11/22/63 with newsmen repeating falsehoods and making things up. 

I can see why those news services would rather not talk about what they should have said, asked and done on 11/22. Swept under a rug suits them just fine.

Von Pein's version

Thx Bart!
Was Mary Hollies a regular rider with Lee on a bus? Which bus?
242 West Davis...

Hollies was full of it.....utter rubbish

https://www.facebook.com/mary.hollies.9

Check that out.....

Mary Madeline Hollies

Sixth Floor Museum says she rode with Oswald on the bus.
"occasionally rode the same bus as Lee Harvey Oswald"

Yet all her statements say she did not recognize him except on tv she saw him and said she had seen him in the lunchroom numerous times.
Why no mention in her statements about having rode same bus as LHO?
Seems important information. When was the last time she rode with him, to or from work?
Was he living on Elsbeth or another apartment/house. Did they get on at the same stop? Off at same stop? Walk the same way? She lived near intersection of Elsbeth and W. Davis, is that the only connection?

Was she pulling someones leg?

Mary Hollies: The girl in the window

For a number of years the Sixth Floor Museum has conducted an oral history project that interviews individuals and lets them explain how the JFK assassination affected their lives. In January 2011 the museum posted a conversation with Mary Hollies. Ms. Hollies was a young French Canadian that travelled from Montreal and landed a job in the Texas School Book Depository as an underpaid, inventory stock clerk with the Scott Foresman Company in June, 1963. Dallas was quite a change for her. She referred to it as “Hicksville” after leaving a cultural center like Montreal. At the time, Dallas was small, most of the individuals that she met were not forward thinking and the only form of public transportation was the bus. Every morning, she would take the Beckley Street bus downtown and disembark at the corner of Main and Houston. In the fall of 1963 Lee Oswald began riding the same bus to work and eventually the two struck up a friendship. When asked, Ms. Hollies stated “The only one I knew that worked for the School Book Depository was Lee Oswald.” She spoke with Oswald every work day leading up to the assassination and the story she has to tell is in a word “stunning”. After 47 years of silence, her story answers so many questions about Lee Oswald and in turn, raises so many more…

“He posed himself off as a single man”

“Well, he was a character apparently. I found that out later. Many times he sat next to me (on the Beckley bus). And he invited me to communistic meetings that they were having in Dallas. I told him. “Whoa. No. I don’t want to go to that. I’m not a communist.” “Later on, he invited me to go to a party on Davis Street. Candy Barr’s party. Mary questioned him.” You go to strip joints?” No, he said but I have to go to that party to discuss something with someone. That someone, she confirms in a later statement, was Jack Ruby. “He was always inviting me to different things because I rode the bus with him and I also ate lunch with him but he ate off by himself.” Mary Hollies did not realize that Lee was a married man until she saw Marina and the kids on television that weekend.

“I’m going back to Russia soon”

In one conversation Oswald stated that he would be leaving Dallas to return to Russia. “ Yes he told me that he was coming into a lot of money and he would take me to Russia at his expense, and when I told him no I didn’t want to go to Russia, he said, “Well, I know you’re not happy here.” “But I thought…told him I’d think about it, you know (laughing).

“Oh, you don’t have to worry. I’m going to shoot him anyway.”

“There were several of us ladies that went down there (second floor breakroom) to eat. We would brown bag it because we didn’t make much money back in those days. Some of the ladies were discussing Kennedy coming to Dallas. And some of them didn’t approve of a Catholic president. Can you imagine this? Anyway, Lee popped up and said “Oh you don’t have to worry. I’m gonna shoot him anyway.” None of us believed that and we just hushed him up. Said, Oh you’re just running your mouth. You’re not going to do anything.” “We really didn’t believe him but time proved otherwise, as you know. Look what he did.”

Lee Goes Fishing

On the day of the assassination We saw Lee on the freight elevator with something in his hand. “It was a brown paper package and it was as tall as him. Dorothy Garner asked him what was in the package. And he said. “fishing rods!” “She just kind of laughed and said Oh? You plan to go fishing today? Oswald did not reply and continued his ride on the elevator.

The Big Event

Mary Hollies didn’t have an office or even a corner to call her own. She was given a cart to stock books in a caged in area on the fourth floor. She noted. “Floor five and six were all storage, warehouse. It was all open. It had wooden floors. You could hear the sound very easily, especially through the elevator shaft” “I spent a lot of time on the 4th and 5th floors. When it was announced that the president was near, “Alice (Foster) and I said “let’s go up to the fifth floor”. We rang for the elevator and Lee was on the elevator but he didn’t stop for us. He kept going. So we were kind of miffed with him, and we hollered up the shaft. “Hey, you could’ve stopped for us. But he kept on going to the sixth floor, and then he locked the elevator up. When we finally got to the 5th floor we opened a window and we were sitting on the window ledge and we heard clack..clank..clank..and someone was coming down the noisy elevator. It was a black dude coming down (Bonnie Ray Williams). We went to the window and sat there. We had the perfect place to watch.” (Some researchers believe that Mary Hollies was on the 4th floor but she insists that she was on the 5th floor and later moved to the 4th) We could see the president and Jackie coming down Houston and then…. we thought a cannon had gone off. We saw the president slump and we saw Jackie getting on the back of the car. She was hysterical. “I believe it was three shots, two or three. It was definitely not one.” “Alice noticed some smoke over on the little hill that was there. She saw smoke over there but I don’t know that it was a gun being fired. I don’t know what it was. Every one was going crazy. “Like a chicken with its head cut off.”

When did you first realize that Oswald might be involved?
“It occurred to me going home on the bus with him.” A bus that was practically empty. She had been interviewed by the FBI and Secret Service and was released to go home. “As I was waiting at the stop and I got on, Oswald was running to get the bus. He sat right behind me and when he did I realized, oh my God, he did this. (This is problematic for a number of reasons) Mary Hollies later heard the story of a women claiming to be on the bus with Lee after the shooting ( Mary Bledsoe) . Ms Hollies does not believe that this woman was being honest because the bus was nearly empty and she did not see another woman on board.

Stephen Fagin, the director of the oral history program, asked Mary why her original police statement was so understated and why she had intentionally denied any knowledge of Oswald outside of work. “I was terrified because I was not a citizen of this country. “ “I was hiding a lot of information.”

So she was fibbing or senile. She gets out the TSBD at 2:30 about 45 minutes after LHO is arrested in the TT.
Why was she spouting such bs for an oral history?

She is lying in such an obvious fashion.
She is discrediting herself and any earlier statements.
Is she whistleblowing?




Is she still terrified? She lives in Dallas,

Meanwhile in the Cinque Lab, this was recently concocted, with a little outside help:

Greg at October 9, 2015 at 3:48 AM

Meanwhile in the Cinque Lab, this was recently concocted, with a little outside help:

This is why I am not interested in researching this case any longer.

Let's see if David Josephs laps this bullshit up. He, to give him some credit, actually agreed with the research put together by Greg, Duke Lane, RCD and myself on the fictional bus and taxi rides. I wonder what he is going to do now?

This was his achilles heel when it came to Harvey & Lee because he knew that Armstrong had this wrong. Yet Armstrong still defended his awful research on this matter. It looks like he still cannot let it go and has probably concocted further idiocy to prop it up.

On a related topic, today I learned that not only is Peter Dale Scott attending Judyth Vary Baker's upcoming conference but so too is...

...[drum roll please]...

...Bill Kelly.

I think we all have to accept that this is the way things are, and the way they have always been, and the way they always will be. Common sense and logic is not required concerning this case. Just a hidden agenda and a big bag of shit.

The old bastard is probably still asking, if the bus ride story is false, why Mary Bledsoe knew there was a hole in the elbow of the shirt. I have slowly come to realise over the last five years that Bill Kelly is a fucking idiot.

Haha "cites twelve people"...what were all the deciples present?
Make a nice last supper painting, Oswald as JC. Bus transfer as holy grail... what a laugh!

If they hold tight to bus rides and taxis that never held Lee Oswald why question their beliefs on lunch rooms and rifle sacks. Why question them about Prayer Man and his purse.
They are all lost, wandering souls. Pity them not, they have that window (not even the original) on the sixth floor as a shrine and each other to lie to.

Its like a Liars Anonymous meeting run by JVB, with Judyth leading the lies, Bill is just lying to himself.

This is why I am not interested in researching this case any longer.

Let's see if David Josephs laps this bullshit up. He, to give him some credit, actually agreed with the research put together by Greg, Duke Lane, RCD and myself on the fictional bus and taxi rides. I wonder what he is going to do now?

This was his achilles heel when it came to Harvey & Lee because he knew that Armstrong had this wrong. Yet Armstrong still defended his awful research on this matter. It looks like he still cannot let it go and has probably concocted further idiocy to prop it up.

Before even reading your comment I was toying with the idea of asking if anyone else had detected a rise in the amount of shit being tossed about at the moment.  I know it has always been thrown, but I feel sure the quantity has risen while the quality has sunk.

I fully understand why you choose not to subject yourself to it any more, and I am sorry for any time in the past where I have been judgmental about that.

As for PDS - I emailed him telling him about the people he is about to rub shoulders with. I did this on the off chance he was unaware of their backgrounds. I am disappointed he didn't see fit to respond. But then, I shouldn't be surprised either. He requested a copy of my first book through a third party, so I organized to get one to him. Again, nada. Not so much as a thank you.

Lee, your work (and it WAS your work, and to a lesser extent, Duke) on the bus ride will stand the test of time. I'll be doing my bit to try and do it justice, and with any luck, immortalize it, in an upcoming volume.