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Paul Francisco Paso
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Sentimental old fools. Romanticizing this case gets you nowhere. They are merely entrenching themselves in the plot. Especially those fuckwits who associate with Armstrong and JVB. I've got a soft spot for Bill Kelly but its getting harder. PM has changed my mind about a lot researchers I once respected. Its a case of I can't believe PM is not Oswald and if they sincerely do then I don't believe anything they have to offer. Its that simple. Dismissing the brilliant bus and cab deconstruction should've been my first clue about these old geezers.
October 9, 2015 at 5:17 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Paul Francisco Paso at October 9, 2015 at 5:17 AM

Sentimental old fools. Romanticizing this case gets you nowhere. They are merely entrenching themselves in the plot. Especially those fuckwits who associate with Armstrong and JVB. I've got a soft spot for Bill Kelly but its getting harder. PM has changed my mind about a lot researchers I once respected. Its a case of I can't believe PM is not Oswald and if they sincerely do then I don't believe anything they have to offer. Its that simple. Dismissing the brilliant bus and cab deconstruction should've been my first clue about these old geezers.

Damn right.

 

Each and every piece of evidence produced whilst deconstructing the bus and taxi rides was greeted with the same bollocks from old Bill Kelly.

 

"Why did Bledsoe know there was a hole in the elbow of Oswald's shirt?"

 

When old Bill was shown how the hole in the elbow was originally two holes in the elbows in Bledsoe's FBI statement before it was changed by Forrest Sorrels to only containing one hole in the elbow, well old Bill would go quiet for a while.

 

Time would pass by. Further discussion would take place. Then old Bill would pop back up out of his termite hill and ask:

 

"Why did Bledsoe know there was a hole in the elbow of Oswald's shirt?"

 

Every fucking time. Like a Chatty Cathy doll. "Why did Bledsoe know there was a hole in the elbow of Oswald's shirt?" "Why did Bledsoe know there was a hole in the elbow of Oswald's shirt?"

 

Same deal with the Baker-Truly horse shit. "The second floor lunhcroom encounter exonerates Oswald." "The second floor lunhcroom encounter exonerates Oswald." "The second floor lunhcroom encounter exonerates Oswald."

 

If the second floor lunchroom encounter exonerates Oswald then why the fuck is he still guilty? For fuck's sake.

October 9, 2015 at 7:28 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Paul Francisco Paso
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Bill is too old to leave the second floor, Lee. He needs to take the elevator down to the first floor. Maybe he can see Oswald from there.

October 9, 2015 at 7:15 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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If the second floor lunchroom encounter exonerates Oswald then why the fuck is he still guilty? For fuck's sake.

 

No matter how you slice & dice it, the Second Floor lunchroom encounter will NEVER have ANY effect in getting the Kennedy case reopened. Period. Won't lift the Reopen Meter needle off its bottom peg. Showing that Lee Oswald was on the First Floor out front, however, is horse of a different color. A whole new ball game.

 

Litmus test, anyone?

 

It's time to leave the weak, the senile, the willfully ignorant, and the deniers alone to themselves and move on. If the Kennedy case is ever to be reopened, they will NEVER have a hand in it. We don't need them. They gum up the works. The future is in reaching new people.

 

 

October 9, 2015 at 10:06 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Hasan Yusuf
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It's time to leave the weak, the senile, the willfully ignorant, and the deniers alone to themselves and move on.


Amen.

October 9, 2015 at 10:19 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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The future is in reaching new people.

And amen to that. 

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October 9, 2015 at 11:06 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Can I get a halleluja with that!?

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October 10, 2015 at 1:40 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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"REVEREND!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZG0faW-LRZU

October 10, 2015 at 2:31 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/forums/topics/show/13262400-oswald-leaving-the-tsbd-

My response to John Armstrong's Harvey And Lee Leaving The TSBD

Enjoy!

October 18, 2015 at 2:30 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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"Someone once said that Oswald must have been the only assassin in history to try and get away using public transportation.

It would be like a bank robber man lugging the bag of money with him out on the street and hailing a taxi or waiting for the bus."

March 7, 2014   John Kirsch


 

John is right and Oswald would not be able to see from the sixth floor that traffic had been stopped at Elm and Record?
Or the bus behind the Marsalis bus was the Beckley bus which would take him to his rooming house rather than blocks away???
Or that he could be wanted and yet is strolling the streets of Dallas in front of every cop heading to the TSBD?
Or he is obviously in a hurry to go kill Tippit, (sarcasm) so he has a cab, that left before he gets to it, drive him past the place where he lives??
Or he only had four 6.5 bullets and Fifteen .38's and a dollar & 23 cents to accomplish this assassination with. He was very frugal. Even kept the transfer, and snuck into the movies to save a buck...90 cents actually...  :roll:

November 23, 2015 at 2:15 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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Some notes,

JC Dohrity and Brown supposedly shows Cecil the transfer.
Yet Sims and Boyd placed it in a sealed envelope and write over the seal before this could happen.

No overpressure, Indented writing, is seen on the transfer from the writing, but further testing would be needed to verify this by use of an apparatus commonly referred to as ESDA, short for Electro-static Detection Apparatus. Transfer could have avoided it as it is smaller than the area wrote on. (envelope was larger than transfer)

Sims testified he did not remember whom he gave the transfer to, was not initialed by JC or Brown (envelope or Transfer) thus breaking its chain of custody. Sims and Boyd were not present when it was supposedly shown to Cecil.

No tests were perfomed on the transfer yet the ring and bracelet were examined and tested for residue, compartments, etc.
Why no fingerprinting of the transfer? We know that answer.

Cecil is never asked how many transfers he accepted, and what happens to an accepted one by a driver!

Bus ride is bollocks. Transfer is excused from the proceedings.
Cheers~ Ed

December 3, 2015 at 7:11 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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Barto has found a most interesting movie.
I pulled a clip from it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zG4-zWrQ53Y
Please watch.

You will see a Bus driver whom does not appear to Cecil McWatters.
With him is William Whaley, the cab driver.

My Italian is rusty but it explains the cab and bus driver were brought in for statements as they drove Oswald to his house (rooming house?) or Casa.

Who is this grizzled pipe smoking pirate that is said to be the bus driver??


December 5, 2015 at 2:31 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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not related but I think that is Kent Biffle at the very end of this clip!

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December 5, 2015 at 2:40 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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Maybe that is Cecil, they had him bathe and flea dipped him for his WC testimony and sent him to acting school to loose the squinty eye and swashbuckler appearance...

Yep that looks like Biffle same as in Alyea

December 5, 2015 at 4:33 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Linda Giovanna Zambanini
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Anyone know who the officer is next to Scroggins? 

December 15, 2015 at 4:13 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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He is in between Fritz and Wade in the below shot


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December 15, 2015 at 6:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Linda Giovanna Zambanini
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Barto at December 15, 2015 at 6:41 PM

He is in between Fritz and Wade in the below shot


I think he is probably Manning C. Clements: 


December 18, 2015 at 6:17 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Ed Ledoux at February 14, 2015 at 5:56 AM

Lee Farley at February 11, 2015 at 8:52 AM

Redfern at February 11, 2015 at 7:40 AM

Lee,

I admit to accepting (perhaps blindly) the official story concerning Oswald residing at 1026 North Beckley. However, the arguments you have presented in recent years mean that there are nagging doubts. I shall have to plough through all the relevant information to re-evaluate just how reliable the Warren narrative is on this issue. There are certainly connections between 1026 and DPD personnel that have been brushed over down the years (as has the story concerning a visit by Ruby).

With regard to any plot to frame Oswald, how essential would it have been to have him residing in Oak Cliff (at least during week-days)?

An other angle that concerns me about Oswald never setting foot in 1026 is that it ramps up the number of people who'd have to lie. Again, I'd have to check, but from memory several people who stayed there described him in detail.

Just how reliable would they turn out to be? Earlene Roberts put her foot in it within days by blurting out the story of the police car at 1 pm. Both her and Gladys Johnson gave affidavits speaking of a further visit by DPD before Oswald was officially identified and well before police supposedly knew of the North Beckley address.

Nevertheless, given the lies elsewhere in the Warren version, nothing can be taken for granted.  

As a possible side-note, I am convinced Oswald changed his trousers. As for his shirt, it is possible he changed this too - he had one that was similar in appearance.

 

Returning to the getaway, the angle that struck me about McWatters was this exchange:

 

Mr. BALL - What did they tell you?

Mr. McWATTERS - Well, they told me that they had a transfer that I had issued that was cut for Lamar Street at 1 o'clock, and they wanted to know if I knew anything about it. And I, after I looked at the transfer and my punch, said yes, that is the transfer I issued because it had my punch mark on it.


I don't believe anyone other than the bus driver would have been able to deduce the transfer was punched at Lamar Street.

Certain officers within DPD seemed absolutely positive about this evidence and it was sent to Washington in the early hours. If we are to believe Jesse Curry's words on TV, he wasn't apprised of this information until well into the Saturday.



Larry Crafard is obviously worthy of several threads to himself. While it suited the Warren lawyers to cover up any role he had in the assassination, the sheer length of his testimony raises eyebrows. What on earth was that all about?


If any of us can crack the 1026 North Beckley nut we can all pack up and go home because it will be job done, Redfern.

There is absolutley no credible evidence that Lee Harvey Oswald ever lived at that house other than the small box of stuff that law enforcement pulled out of it. Evidence that could have very easily been swapped out with the person's stuff that was actually living there. Why were Hubert and Griffin so convinced that Larry Crafard might have been in William Whaley's cab? I'm sure they didn't pull it out of their backside. In the staff memo they produced, and it wasn't the first they produced that named Larry Crafard as a possible suspect, they link Whaley's knowledge of Ruby together with their own knowledge that Crafard had been mistaken for Oswald by a couple of dozen people. These men weren't idiots and neither were their superiors up the chain of command. They knew the bus ride was bogus and they knew the taxi ride was bogus and they had a handle on the best fit alternative that did fit the evidence they were reviewing. Not one lead concerning the suspicions they raised was followed up. None of the information they said they wanted from Bledsoe, Roberts, Whaley, and McWatters was collected either through interview or testimony. These junior staff lawyers knew in March 1964 what we now know a half a century later. Their work counted for nought because the seniors used their info to make sure how to continue covering shit up.


EDIT: Actually Griffin was as much of a bullshitter as the rest of them because I've just thought on that he was part of the crew that interviewed Earl RUBY and, after writing the staff memo with Hubert, actually delivered some of the WORST questioning that exists in the entire testimony record. Stuff like this:


Mr. GRIFFIN. How about Larry Crafard, did you pay him any money?

Mr. RUBY. Larry Crafard, I think we just gave him a few dollars, $5 maybe because he was broke when he was living on the road, he didn’t have a dime, so I think I gave him some money.

Mr. GRIFFIN. Did Larry incidentally contact you any time while you were in Detroit?

Mr. RUBY. No, no; I wish he would have, because he hitchhiked all the way down there, and I was driving at the same time, but he didn’t know I lived there, and we--

Mr. GRIFFIN. How was he notified to come to the trial?

Mr. RUBY. I don’t know. If I remember correctly he came on his own. He just thought that when all this came out about, you know, Jack getting him to take that picture of Earl Warren, he had the camera or something, I forgot the full details myself, but he is the one who took the picture, right, if I am not mistaken, and he just thought he should come down to help Jack as much as he possibly could. Could I go a little further?

Mr. GRIFFIN. I don’t really want to pry into this unless this is something you care to reveal.

Mr. RUBY. The most important thing is coming up now; I mean one of the most important things.

Mr. GRIFFIN. All right. I do want to reflect this -- that I don’t want to push you into saying things, talking about subjects that you would rather not talk about, and I realize that this is one of them.


I mean, WTF?  You really couldn't make this shit up could you?


My major issue when trying to make sense of this case is the enormity of it. Each segment that you feel you have a handle on suddenly bears a relationship with something else that exists in the record and the segment suddenly balloons. For instance, Mr. and Mrs. Johnson, the owners of 1026 North Beckley, are dodgy as fuck. My research into the Marion Meharg story leads into a series of nuisance phone calls that began plaguing the property in the months after the assassination. Soon after these phone calls Earlene Roberts left her employment there. The caller was asking about a David Miller who, the caller claimed, lived there prior to the assassination and was "Oswalds' friend." Arthur Johnson was overheard talking about this with someone in a coffee shop and was specifically asking the person he was with whether he had ever heard of a David LEON Miller. When the FBI interviewed Johnson he claimed this conversation never took place. Interestingly, David Miller was a pseudonym for David Yaras. The phone calls were put down to a bitterly jealous and somewhat obsessive Marion Meharg who was estranged from his wife and sons after she left him for someone called David Miller whom she married. No interview with Mrs. Miller exists but the FBI did interview her mother who painted Meharg as a deranged lunatic. Coincidently, the mother's name was Bernice CLICK. By another coincidence the neighbours of Arthur and Gladys Johsons were called the Millers. NEVER INTERVIEWED. Not even interviewed when it came to finding out which neighbour had been overheard having a conversation about Jack Ruby parking on their driveway when he went to visit Oswald at the 1026 property.


If an Oswald was living at 1026 North Beckley then it wasn't our Lee Oswald and it certainly wasn't a CIA doppelganger raised from birth to be an Oswald twin. It was someone simply pretending to be him and this is where, I believe, Larry Crafard comes in. It's no coincidence that Jack Ruby met with Bertha Cheek, Earlene Roberts sister, on November 18th, 1963.


I'll say one thing about some of the people who stayed at 1026 North Beckley and were interviewed. They should have gotten their stories straight before trying to convince us about Oswald's residence there. I will not accept that two Mr. LEEs were living at that property at the same time - Mr. O. H. Lee and Mr. H. (LEON) Lee. I do not accept Mr. Herbert Leon Lee's story about sharing a room with James Watson because when James Watson was interviewed he never mentions Mr. Herbert Leon Lee. Mr Herbert Leon Lee says he doesn't remember Lee Oswald living there but that James Watson might and try as I might, I have a really hard time believing that Mr. Herbert Leon Lee left being a floor layer after 30 years to become a Police Officer.


There is a much bigger story to 1026 North Beckley and we haven't yet uncovered it.


You are right about how the police knew it was a transfer from LAMAR. They wouldn't. But as we see in the McWatters testimony it appears that the DPD were telling him what happened rather than the other way around.

A 1956 Station Wagon was owned by Mildred Meharg.;)
This is a smoking gun right here. Who would have called this in?



Is it BERNIECE OR BERNICE?

Weisberg Collection
FR 4-0072 Dallas: Mrs. Berniece Click, 203 Brodie.    (address is off South Beckley)
and
FE 7-5185 Dallas: Mrs. B. K. (Bernice) Click, 905 Barnett St. (Meharg caper).

FBI documnet gives her address as MRS. BERNICE CLICK ~ 905 Barnett

Page 17 is the best!
http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/FBI%20Records%20Files/105-82555/105-82555%20Section%20071/71c.pdf


 

Mabel Berniece Click  Born on 10 Mar 1899. Mabel Berniece married Walter Raymond McClellan. She passed away on 11 Mar 1992 in Elkhart, Indiana, USA.

 






Mildred was married to Marion Meharg
And remarried David Miller
She married to a Jenkins as her daughters are of that name.

Did Mildred have a brother? A Darrell or something like Daryl?

Found a Royce Darrell Click in Harris Tx married Linda Marie Achten could be from '60's.

And these living Darrell Clicks
864-939-2470 - Darrell Click, Hurtsdale Rd, Clinton, South Carolina

218-212-6124 - Darrell Click, SE 8th St, Grand Rapids, Minnesota

910-382-4588 - Darrell Click, State Rd 1142, Jacksonville, North Carolina

203-384-5947 - Darrell Click, Standish St, Bridgeport, Connecticut

417-300-0783 - Darrell Click, N Rock Island Ave, Springfield, Missouri


And deceased Click's

Darrell Click  Born: Jun 14, 1950 Deceased: Sep 5, 1997 Location: Amarillo, TX   .....(TOO YOUNG IN '63)

William Click   Born: Oct 26, 1884   Deceased: Nov, 1967  Location: Dallas, TX   (An old cabbie with middle/nickname of Darrell maybe?):)

 


 




This made me do adouble take, though not relavent.

LANSING - Mrs. Joyce Rash Bledsoe, 59, the wife of Darrell Click Bledsoe, died Wednesday at Forsyth Memorial Hospital.

 


Okay if we find Darrell Click we have made history!!


Here is the other mystery name, J A Brourantus

http://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth339517/m1/7/


Sorry to jump back in time so far on this thread....but i just came across this post from Feb. '15 by Ed replying to Lee Farley in which Lee mentioned a story about anonymous calls to Beckley post assassination asking for a David Leon Miller who supposedly lived there and was friends with LHO & Ruby. He went on to point out that David Leon Miller was a pseudonym for Dave Yaras. Has anyone noticed that this rotund man in the RR yard resembles Yaras? I've never heard much talk about Yaras being one of the possible shooters, but that story Lee and Ed posted is intriguing given this film still and Bower's account of the men he saw behind the fence.:



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Ed Ledoux
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I've called him (Miller) Linda, and left a message. I will call again.

December 28, 2015 at 3:04 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Greg
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It seems someone back ion '67 was burrowing in to the plane death of Tracy D Click and the city didn't like it.

Dallas - Times Herald says the Dallas Bureau of Vital Statistics, by order of the Texas Health Department and the Secret Service, has cut off access to routine public records on the deaths of principals in the assassination of President Kennedy.

City attorney Alex Bickley said restrictions been in effect some time and include the press. Rule is interpreted to include persons now dead and only indirectly involved in events of the assassination.

State health commissioner J. E. Peavy said in Austin rule was made to preclude anyone duplicating death certificates. "Legitimate press" might be allowed to see and copy, but "if for speculation on events" each case would be judged on merits. AP ldn 225acs

See Click plane crash 3/12/67.

3/12/67 Curious press treatment of plane crash in bad weather at Jefferson City, MO, which killed four Dallas businessmen, including one Tracy D. Click, of Irving. AP carried only the original plane crash story. Dallas Morning News carried no story at all [although it carried other plane crashes, even one abroad, but did carry death notice in classified ad columns for one of the men, not Click. Dallas Morning News & AP

Dallas Times-Herald not checked, not available.

 

 

 

 

 

 

The above from a windows doc held in the Weisberg Collection.

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