REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

Ed, thanks for further information on the door system along  the main entrace, I find it very useful and  important. As per door open/closed question, I guess the door also swung in, into the lobby, meaning both ways. The image below is one of Darnell's stills (cut and contrast enhanced) when Baker was about 8-10 feet away from the 1st step. I can see an inward angle. So, the door swung in and it was slightly open. However, you were right in saying the door was closed as it was so in many frames, and even if it was "quarter" open, Baker would probably have to push the door to get in.

YES! looks like it to me too. G/j Andrej.

The search for the Weigman & Darnell films:

http://www.prayer-man.com/the-search-for-the-weigman-darnell-films/

Barto at October 17, 2015 at 2:40 PM

The search for the Weigman & Darnell films:

http://www.prayer-man.com/the-search-for-the-weigman-darnell-films/

Fantastic job. Barto.

What a completely disgraceful set of circumstances you have exposed.

Just another wall that needs to be smashed. Keep turning them up Barto.

Thanks Greg and Alan. I have not heard back yet and will send them a reminder this coming week, will keep y'al posted when they send that bog standard reply 

Bart,
Your excellence is shining!!
Maybe they are all just confused and you need to straighten them out.  yeah...
Go get em mate!
Cheers! Ed

Thank you Ed, more to follow very soon

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excellent work Barto, it is very frustrating when we can see the filmreels but then nobody knows where they are ? 

I am a bit surprised that they can´t find out where these films are and then tell you what you need to do too get to see them ? 

Thanks Faroe Islander, NBC5 came back to me yesterday after 8 days and only when I sent them another reminder and they will get back to me in due course, we will see.

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For those that do not know I am about to put a movie together on Prayer Man and it will be shown at the Melbourne conference and after that shown on the Prayer Man website. The movie will have additional bits added at a later date as well, it will never end

I'm going through Prayer Man on the Facebook page and I put this graphic together that shows the relative positions of Buell Wesley Frazier and Prayer Man from the inside looking out. Prayer Man was mere steps away from the small storage room where Oswald was placed by two first-day news accounts immediately following the assassination.

Barto, A MOVIE?!  Can't wait for that. You are the point of the spear going after the films. Good luck to you. Great effort. Many thanks.

Stan, so thanks to your provocative imagery I was reminded of Frazier's recounting of his experiences that day and how he describes himself as gazing down Elm St. at the ensuing chaos from his position up on the steps. As we look at it from this camera angle it does not appear that he would have had much of a view down Elm St. Yes, it would be a wider view angle than the one we have from this camera position, but he's still back in the alcove with the corner of the building forward of him and in a view-blocking position.

Is this accounting his way of avoiding a description of his true focus and concern in those moments? Namely, his neighbor to the right, back in that alcove?

Jake at October 26, 2015 at 9:43 PM

Stan, so thanks to your provocative imagery I was reminded of Frazier's recounting of his experiences that day and how he describes himself as gazing down Elm St. at the ensuing chaos from his position up on the steps. As we look at it from this camera angle it does not appear that he would have had much of a view down Elm St. Yes, it would be a wider view angle than the one we have from this camera position, but he's still back in the alcove with the corner of the building forward of him and in a view-blocking position.

Is this accounting his way of avoiding a description of his true focus and concern in those moments? Namely, his neighbor to the right, back in that alcove?

Jake at October 26, 2015 at 9:36 PM

Barto, A MOVIE?!  Can't wait for that. You are the point of the spear going after the films. Good luck to you. Great effort. Many thanks.

I am starting to put this together next week, first stage software and then screen record the whole thing.

I will be using a 3d model of the TSBD that my bro in law is busy making, a few screens can be seen at the diary section of the Prayer Man site, but it will be used in a 2d setting for now. As soon as the tech allows me to interact with the 3d model itself then I will do so (no idea when this will be).

The movie will show what everyone said in their affidavits/testimony in conjunction with the photo and film material. All this in a multitouch software environment which allows me to display various types of media in one window.

Roughly 30-45 mins, it will be in chapters so Truly and Baker/Shelly and Lovelady/Styles and Adams/Williams, Jarman etc. you get the drift.  Sole purpose is to simplify the whole thing so every layman/woman can understand this and doesn't have to bother with rubbish from people like Duncan MacRae, Ralph Yates aka Brian Doyle aka Albert Doyle and Ralph Cinque who are doing JFK Research a huge disservice.

This also means that the book is taking longer, since Stan's book is out already and I am doing this flick, which will be shown in Melbourne on the 22nd of Nov, it is only logical that the book is on the backburner a bit (add on the website I have been working on as well).

With regards searching for the movies, still working on it....the silence from them (NBC5 and the 6th Floor Museum) is deafening!

I'm looking forward greatly to seeing the results of your work, Barto. Best of luck with it. It's very much appreciated.

Those that cannot attend the conference will be able to see the movie online the week after so roughly one month from now, There's your deadline and mine

Mick Purdy at October 26, 2015 at 10:06 PM

Jake at October 26, 2015 at 9:43 PM

Stan, so thanks to your provocative imagery I was reminded of Frazier's recounting of his experiences that day and how he describes himself as gazing down Elm St. at the ensuing chaos from his position up on the steps. As we look at it from this camera angle it does not appear that he would have had much of a view down Elm St. Yes, it would be a wider view angle than the one we have from this camera position, but he's still back in the alcove with the corner of the building forward of him and in a view-blocking position.

Is this accounting his way of avoiding a description of his true focus and concern in those moments? Namely, his neighbor to the right, back in that alcove?

Altgens 6 shows the view back to the steps from where the action was taking place. Notice in the Altgens too that Lovelady would appear to be leaning forward and hanging onto the middle stair hand rail to see the parade from a slightly better vantage point. 

Looking at Stans pic in conjuction with Darnell and Altgens it becomes clear that Wes could not have seen any of the action as claimed if he were in the same position as in Darnells frame when the shots rang out.

It also becomes clear that Oswald would not have had a view either. 

The idea then that these two were unaware of one another presence on the steps is absurd.

Thanks Stan and Jake

Should we be able to see BWF in Altgens?

Also, when looking at Darnell, is it just me or does it seem like both PM and BWF seem to be totally unfazed by anything happening around them?

Smee at October 27, 2015 at 8:22 AM

Mick Purdy at October 26, 2015 at 10:06 PM

Jake at October 26, 2015 at 9:43 PM

Stan, so thanks to your provocative imagery I was reminded of Frazier's recounting of his experiences that day and how he describes himself as gazing down Elm St. at the ensuing chaos from his position up on the steps. As we look at it from this camera angle it does not appear that he would have had much of a view down Elm St. Yes, it would be a wider view angle than the one we have from this camera position, but he's still back in the alcove with the corner of the building forward of him and in a view-blocking position.

Is this accounting his way of avoiding a description of his true focus and concern in those moments? Namely, his neighbor to the right, back in that alcove?

Altgens 6 shows the view back to the steps from where the action was taking place. Notice in the Altgens too that Lovelady would appear to be leaning forward and hanging onto the middle stair hand rail to see the parade from a slightly better vantage point. 

Looking at Stans pic in conjuction with Darnell and Altgens it becomes clear that Wes could not have seen any of the action as claimed if he were in the same position as in Darnells frame when the shots rang out.

It also becomes clear that Oswald would not have had a view either. 

The idea then that these two were unaware of one another presence on the steps is absurd.

Thanks Stan and Jake

Should we be able to see BWF in Altgens?

Also, when looking at Darnell, is it just me or does it seem like both PM and BWF seem to be totally unfazed by anything happening around them?

I wouldn't imagine we would see BWF in Altgens if he is standing roughly where we see him in Darnell. IF he was still in that same position I contend that it would be impossible to see him from Altgens view and Vice-versa. Remember he is left of centre. We can only just see Lovelady in Altgens as he is lower on the steps and leaning forward hanging onto the hand rail.

Both Oswald (PM) and Frazier appear unfazed somewhat from the still frame we have, but the complete sequence of the moving pictures may tell another story. I've looked at that clip until I've had nose bleeds and it seems they are completely unfazed from what has just happened. Maybe shock! Who knows.

I still say it looks as though they might be talking to one another. Maybe deciding on the double feature at the TT that afternoon, Wes's treat and he's drivin'.

Now thats an offer Ozzie can't refuse.

From Cspan Interview BWF:

UNK>> I HAD A QUESTION HERE AND IT WENT AWAY. OH, HAD YOU SEEN ANYONE IN THE BUILDING THAT DAY THAT YOU DIDN'T RECOGNIZE?

BWF>> NO.

UNK>> NO STRANGE FACES?

BWF>>NO STRANGE FACES.

Then tell us Wesley Frazier who was standing to your right hand side a mere 2-3 feet away from you a top of the TSBD steps just after John Kennedy was assassinated, you know, the event where most people remember exactly where they were and whom they were with at that precise moment.

You have to know!

I know you know.

It takes courage to right a wrong. You sir still can!

October 25, 2015 at 11:30 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Mick Purdy

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Lets never forget this post from Stan Dane in this thread.

Stan Dane at May 14, 2015 at 1:09 AM

Albert Rossi on Tue 30 Sep 2014 said:

Hi all. I was at the AARC. I figured I might as well try it again, so I approached Buell with the

Robin Unger enhancement of the Darnell frame on my laptop desktop, and asked him.....

1. if that was him

2. who the other figure was.

He admitted 1. it was him.

He said 2. It was not clear enough for certain identification, but it probably wasn't Lovelady

because by that time he had taken off with Shelley for the RR yard.

and

Yes, it was a bit funny because I first asked him if he could identify

Prayer Man, and while he was mulling it over, I said to him, pointing

to his image, "By the way, Mr. Frazier, is that you?" To that he

responded, "very probably ... look at the hairline."

October 28, 2015 at 2:32 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Mick Purdy

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He said 2. It was not clear enough for certain identification, but it probably wasn't Lovelady

because by that time he had taken off with Shelley for the RR yard.

Wesley knows exactly when and where and whom was there on the steps, he discounts Lovelady in Darnell, because he remembers perfectly that Lovelady wasnt on the stairs at the time the Darnell frame was taken and further adds he remembers Lovelady heading off with Shelley.

This to my mind seals the deal, he knows who PM is.

Clear enough though for for a wild guess, I'm sure!

October 28, 2015 at 2:41 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Mick Purdy

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So Wesley knows it's a male.....he can see the hairline of PM, just as he did with his own in the same photo, He was able to identify himself by the hairline from the image shown to him. He knows the hairline of PM is slighly balding in front at the hairline and that is why he gives us Lovelady but tells us that it cannot be him because he vacated the stairs before the Darnell frames had been taken.

If it isnt Lovelady then it leaves only one other choice IMO.

October 28, 2015 at 2:49 PM Flag Quote & Reply