REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

Robin Unger at November 1, 2015 at 5:27 AM

I have been asked by a number of people to post the source of the Darnell ( Prayer man frames ) which were used by Sean Murphy and many other JFK Assassination Researchers I finally managed to separate the small 13-second Darnell segment from the JFK Blu Ray and have UPLOADED it to YouTube https://youtu.be/BUfgpvyjonk

Robin Unger at November 1, 2015 at 5:27 AM

I have been asked by a number of people to post the source of the Darnell ( Prayer man frames ) which were used by Sean Murphy and many other JFK Assassination Researchers I finally managed to separate the small 13-second Darnell segment from the JFK Blu Ray and have UPLOADED it to YouTube https://youtu.be/BUfgpvyjonk

Robin are you able to share what software you used to aquire your "frame grabs"

Paul Francisco Paso at November 1, 2015 at 4:07 PM

Robin Unger at November 1, 2015 at 5:27 AM

I have been asked by a number of people to post the source of the Darnell ( Prayer man frames ) which were used by Sean Murphy and many other JFK Assassination Researchers I finally managed to separate the small 13-second Darnell segment from the JFK Blu Ray and have UPLOADED it to YouTube https://youtu.be/BUfgpvyjonk

Any particular reason you call him Prayer Person over at Stinky's hole and Prayer Man here, Robin? What are your real thoughts?

I posted it as " Prayer Man" the forum software changed the topic to read prayer person.

My own personal opinion is that it is probably a man.

but the images are fuzzy so it is hard to say, it could be anyone ?

We need BETTER frames.

Perhaps you missed my post since it is at the bottom of the prev page

Did GM ever discuss the 1st gen copy he had of the Darnell film with you?

Mick Purdy at November 1, 2015 at 6:14 PM

Robin Unger at November 1, 2015 at 5:27 AM

I have been asked by a number of people to post the source of the Darnell ( Prayer man frames ) which were used by Sean Murphy and many other JFK Assassination Researchers I finally managed to separate the small 13-second Darnell segment from the JFK Blu Ray and have UPLOADED it to YouTube https://youtu.be/BUfgpvyjonk

Robin are you able to share what software you used to aquire your "frame grabs"

I used DVDFAB to RIP the segment to my hard drive as an MP4 File

and i then snagged the individual frames using Power DVD player.

It is NOT possible to use the snapshot feature in Power DVD when playing the Blu Ray unless you RIP it first

Barto at November 2, 2015 at 2:09 AM

Perhaps you missed my post since it is at the bottom of the prev page

Did GM ever discuss the 1st gen copy he had of the Darnell film with you?

No i don't recall Gary mentioning a first generation copy.

He may have mentioned Darnell at some point, i seem to recall seeing a post on one of the Forums containg a comment from Gary

regarding the Darnell film.

I need to go back over my old posts,

It was at EF where he mentioned this, it is inside the Oswald Leaving the TSBD? thread

Robin Unger at November 2, 2015 at 2:03 AM

Paul Francisco Paso at November 1, 2015 at 4:07 PM

Robin Unger at November 1, 2015 at 5:27 AM

I have been asked by a number of people to post the source of the Darnell ( Prayer man frames ) which were used by Sean Murphy and many other JFK Assassination Researchers I finally managed to separate the small 13-second Darnell segment from the JFK Blu Ray and have UPLOADED it to YouTube https://youtu.be/BUfgpvyjonk

Any particular reason you call him Prayer Person over at Stinky's hole and Prayer Man here, Robin? What are your real thoughts?

I posted it as " Prayer Man" the forum software changed the topic to read prayer person.

My own personal opinion is that it is probably a man.

but the images are fuzzy so it is hard to say, it could be anyone ?

We need BETTER frames.

We do indeed!

Robin Unger at November 2, 2015 at 2:03 AM

Paul Francisco Paso at November 1, 2015 at 4:07 PM

Robin Unger at November 1, 2015 at 5:27 AM

I have been asked by a number of people to post the source of the Darnell ( Prayer man frames ) which were used by Sean Murphy and many other JFK Assassination Researchers I finally managed to separate the small 13-second Darnell segment from the JFK Blu Ray and have UPLOADED it to YouTube https://youtu.be/BUfgpvyjonk

Any particular reason you call him Prayer Person over at Stinky's hole and Prayer Man here, Robin? What are your real thoughts?

I posted it as " Prayer Man" the forum software changed the topic to read prayer person.

My own personal opinion is that it is probably a man.

but the images are fuzzy so it is hard to say, it could be anyone ?

We need BETTER frames.

Welcome to ROKC,Robin.

Vinny at November 3, 2015 at 10:04 AM

Welcome to ROKC,Robin.

Thanks Vinny

Robin Unger at November 2, 2015 at 2:10 AM

Mick Purdy at November 1, 2015 at 6:14 PM

Robin Unger at November 1, 2015 at 5:27 AM

I have been asked by a number of people to post the source of the Darnell ( Prayer man frames ) which were used by Sean Murphy and many other JFK Assassination Researchers I finally managed to separate the small 13-second Darnell segment from the JFK Blu Ray and have UPLOADED it to YouTube https://youtu.be/BUfgpvyjonk

Robin are you able to share what software you used to aquire your "frame grabs"

I used DVDFAB to RIP the segment to my hard drive as an MP4 File

and i then snagged the individual frames using Power DVD player.

It is NOT possible to use the snapshot feature in Power DVD when playing the Blu Ray unless you RIP it first

Thanks for the info mate

http://www.prayer-man.com/jimmy-darnell-and-malcolm-couch-snippet-overlay/

Special thanks to Ed Ledoux for creating this!

I posted this to a newsgroup in 2002, and this period is the real starting point for PM research. At that time there was Don Willis and myself questioning the authenticity of the imnfamous 2nd floor lunchoom encounter. The exact starting point would have been a few months earlier when I found Marrion Baker's affidavit. 13 years of further study later I have more and better insights into this material, wich I'll get to as time allows.

All that needs to be reinforced at the moment is that this whole thing is based upon Oswald's alibi - how the police twisted it in order to defeat it and how the buried newspaper accounts, affidavits, interviews, memos and other records all reinforce not only what Oswald's  real alibi was, but also support its veracity. Two planks of the government case come under closest scrutiny because of this. The first is that Oswald shot JFK and came down to leave, making a pitstop for a coke (or to hide for a moment) in the 2nd floor lunchoom. The other plank is that Oswald was encountered by his boss and a police officer whilst in that second floor lunchroom whereas the evidence supports Oswald's statements that he was spoken to by an officer on the first (ground) floor on his way out. 

The sequence of Oswald's movements would be - on first (ground floor) where he speaks to and is seen by other employees who have broken for lunch. As per his usual routine, he went to the next floor for change for the drink machine - a coke with his lunch back to the firs/ground floor where he is drawn outside by the cowd and stands in the spot we see him in the Weigman and Darnell frames. He goes back inside and is seen there by his boss Roy Truly. Soon after, he decides to leave, figuring there is no more work that day and is stopped by Welcome Barnett who asks him for name and address. Oswald flashes his old library card upside and as a result, Barnertt records his name as "Harvey Lee Oswald" with mistranscribes the address as 605 Elsbeth, These details end up at the top of the police list of names of employees gathered as they were released from the building. The only reason for Oswal'd being at the top would be that his name was the first taken.   

In an unsigned and undated memo titled

REPORT ON OFFICER'S DUTIES IN REGARD TO THE PRESIDENT'S

MURDER

MARVIN JOHNSON - #879

 

Johnson states: "While in the office [Fritz's] from 3:00pm until

2:00am I answered the phone and took an affidavit from Patrolman ML Baker.

Patrolman Baker stated in his affidavit that he was riding escort on his

motorcycle for the President's motorcade; that he heard the shots that killed

the President and wounded Governor Connally; that he decided the shots were

coming from the Texas School Book Depository Building. After determining the

origin of the shots, he jumped from his motor and ran into the building. He

found a man who said he was the building manager. Officer Baker and the

building manager then went to a stairway and started up the stairs to search

the building. On the 4th floor Officer Baker apprehended a man that was

walking away from the stairway on that floor. Officer Baker started to search

the man, but the building manager stated that the man was an employee of the

company and was known to him. Officer Baker released the man and continued his

search of the building. Officer Baker later identified Lee Harvey Oswald as

the man he had seen on the 4th floor of the Texas School Book Depository."

 

He ends: "When Patrolman ML Baker identified Lee Harvey Oswald

as the man that he stopped in the Texas School Book Depository Building,

Patrolman Baker was in the Homicide Bureau giving an affidavit and Oswald was

brought into the room to talk to some Secret Service men. When Baker saw

Oswald he stated, 'that is the man I stopped on the 4th floor of the School

Book Depository.'"

 

MARRION BAKER

The above is pretty close to Baker's affidavit, except Baker said "the third

or fourth floor", and included a description of the man "apprehended" as

follows: "...a white man, approx 30 years old, 5-9-165 - dk hair and wearing a

lt brown jacket." Needless to say, no mention of any coke.

 

MRS REID

Mrs Reid's statement was taken on Nov 23, 1963. It appears to be in very similar

handwriting as that shown in the draft of Baker's affidavit. It states in

part: "...I remarked to Mr Campbell that I thought the shots had come from

our building. But I heard someone else say no, I think it was further down the

street. [this un-named person's thought seems to have been very persuasive

because in her next sentence, she states she then went back inside the TSBD].

I went back into our building and up to the second floor to our office. Just

after I entered the office, I saw one of the men who work in the warehouse

come through the back office door. This door is located near the lunch room

and the rear stairway. I did not know this man's name at the time for he had

not worked there long. However I now know his name to be Lee Harvey Oswald.

I said to Lee, 'Oh! some one has shot at the president. I hope they didn't hit

him. Lee mumbled something and walked out of the office. I did not understand

what he said. He had a coke in his hand. [the sentence on the coke is writen

above the line of other text with an arrow starting from the end of "I did not

understand what he said" and pointing up to it. "hand" for whatever reason, is

underlined.] When I saw him he was dressed in a white t-shirt and I don't

recall what his trousers was like. I did not see him any more after that."

 

At the bottom of the statement we have the initial's JRL... Jim R Leavelle.

 

ROY TRULY

Truly's affidavit is dated Nov 23, 1963.

 

In regard to the floor Oswald where Oswald was encountered, he stated: "We

then started up the stairway. We hit the second floor landing, the officer

stuck his head into the lunch room area where there are coke and candy

machines. Lee Oswald was in there. The officer had his gun on Oswald and

asked me if he was an employee. I answered yes. We then went up the stairs to

the 5th floor where we found the elevator open..."

 

In regard to his encounter with Baker, he stated: "I saw an officer break

through the crowd and go into the building, so I ran with him..."

 

That too, is in stark contrast to Baker's statement of the previous day: "I

jumped off my motorcycle and ran inside the building. As I entered the door I

saw several people standing around. I asked these people where the stairs

were. A man stepped forward and stated he was the building manager and that he

would show me where the stairs were..."

 

However, Jim Leavelle took a (somewhat belated) statement from OV Campbell,

the VP of the TSBD, whom Truly had gone to lunch with on the day of the

assassination. He supports Truly's version...

 

The statement was taken 17feb64, and states in part: "...I had forgotten about

the parade. I started to lunch with Mr Truly. When we got downstairs Mr Truly

asked if I wanted to wait and see the parade. We waited on the front steps

until the parade turned off Main St and onto Houston St. We then walked across

Elm St and stood on the curb near the parade as it turned from Houston St down

under the underpass. I heard the shots. It sounded like they came from the

knoll near the railroad tracks. I thought it was firecrackers. A uniform

officer came up and at the same time a construction worker [Sounds like he was

confronted by the Village People!!!] with a helmet on across the street and

said he had seen a rifle barrel in the sixth floor window. I walked back in

the building. Mr Truly and the officer had already gone in and up the stairs.

I waited until they came back down to see if they found anything. The

employees were standing around [well, except for a few... Frazier had slunk

off to the basement to eat his lunch alone, and Givens had gone awol]. When Mr

Truly came down he said one of the employees was missing, a man named

Oswald..."

 

Interesting that Campbell has identified Baker as the cop Brennan spoke to.

Welcome Eugene Barnett identified himself as that officer when he appeared

before the commission on Jul 23, 1964. The only document in the DPD files in

relation to Barnett is dated Dec 12. 1963 and pertains to his questioning over why

his name appeared on Jack Ruby's visiting list.

 

Barnett told the commission: "Yes, sir; I was back where No. 8 is then. That

was probably 2 1/2 minutes after the last shot was fired. About that time, my

sergeant came up from this way, from the north of Houston Street and asked me

to get the name of that building. I broke and ran to the front and got the

name of it. There were people going in and out at that time. I ran back and

told him the name of it, and about that time a construction worker ran from

this southwest corner of the intersection up to me and said, 'I was standing

over there and saw the man in the window with the rifle.' He and I and the

sergeant all three broke and ran for the door. I kept the man there with me.

The sergeant ran to the back to make sure it was covered. I kept the man there

until they took him across the street to the courthouse. I was there until 3

o'clock, at the door there with one of the other officers, J.D. Smith."

 

WC Testimonies:

BAKER now states the Oswald encounter was on the second floor.

 

On his encounter with Truly, he is a little more ambiguous:

Mr. BAKER - As I entered this building, there was, it seems to me like there

was outside doors and then there is a little lobby.

Mr. BELIN - All right.

Mr. BAKER - And then there are some inner doors and another door you have to

go through, a swinging door type.

As I entered this lobby there were people going in as I entered. And I asked,

I just spoke out and asked where the stairs or elevator was, and this man, Mr.

Truly, spoke up and says, it seems to me like he says, "I am a building

manager. Follow me, officer, and I will show you." So we immediately went out

through the second set of doors, and we ran into the swinging door.

Mr. BELIN - All right.

Now, during the course of running into the swinging door, did you bump into

the back of Mr. Truly?

Mr. BAKER - Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. BELIN - Then what happened?

Mr. BAKER - We finally backed up and got through that little swinging door

there and we kind of all ran, not real fast but, you know, a good trot, to the

back of the Building, I was following him.

 

REID confirmed to the commision her desk was near a dumbwaiter.

 

According to Truly, this was used to send orders between floors. Anyone

know how much space was available in this dumbwaiter?

 

She also stated that her husband worked in the Records Building, and that she

phoned him, and he advised he had heard on the radio that the motorcade was

running about 10 minutes late.

 

The other information she gave the commission is basically in line with her

original DPD statement, except that now she identified Campbell as the person

who assured her the shots had come from the knoll, not the TSBD.

 

 

I posted this to a newsgroup in 2002, and this period is the real starting point for PM research. That said, I never would have thought to look for photographic evidence to support the documentary evidence. Apart from one or two photos, it's not my preferred area. Sean Murphy did think to look for it AND found it. More than that, he put a virtually airtight case together. His eloquence together with a picture being worth certainly a thousand of my words, he owns it, and deservedly so. I had spent nearly 10 years hardly making any inroads with my efforts. Sean turned that around, and we all owe him for that.

Taken from an earlier post found upstream

"When Patrolman ML Baker identified Lee Harvey Oswald as the man that he stopped in the Texas School Book Depository Building, Patrolman Baker was in the Homicide Bureau giving an affidavit and Oswald was brought into the room to talk to some Secret Service men. When Baker saw Oswald he stated, 'that is the man I stopped on the 4th floor of the School Book Depository.'"

The above is from the statement of Marvin Johnson who took Officer Baker's statment on Nov 22. It is classic CYA to cover for the fact that ( a ) Baker doesn't mention this recognition in his affidavir and ( b ) The description Baker gave of the person who was supposedly Oswald, was 7 years too old, 25 to 30 pounds too heavy and not weaing the clothing Oswald had on.

Taken from an earlier post found upstream

she states she then went back inside the TSBD].I went back into our building and up to the second floor to our office. Just after I entered the office, I saw one of the men who work in the warehouse come through the back office door. This door is located near the lunch room and the rear stairway. I did not know this man's name at the time for he had not worked there long. However I now know his name to be Lee Harvey Oswald. I said to Lee, 'Oh! some one has shot at the president. I hope they didn't hit him. Lee mumbled something and walked out of the office.

It was Sean Murphy, prior to any online discussion about Prayer Man, who pointed out to me that Mrs. Reid's name was hand-written at the bottom edge of Roy Truly's statement.

Mrs. Reid's  soon-to-be-taken affidavit would confirm Oswald being on the 2nd floor (first floor in Aus) . Was Mrs. Reid's name written down specifically to reinforce Oswald being up on that floor post-assassination? It would seem so. Mrs. Reid was a grandmother who had been with the company for 7 years and was described as a "clerical supervisor" - though I have also seen her described as Truly's secretary.

Murphy would go on to demsonstrate that Reid's story was virtually impossible. Geneva Hine had volunteered to stay on the 2nd floor to handle incoming calls while the other staff went down to watch the motorcade. Given where Ms. Hine was located, and where Reid located her post-assassination chat with Oswald, it would have been impossible - absolutely impossible for Hine not to have noticed Reid and Oswald and for Reid not to have noticed Hine. Yet neither mentions seeing the other. 

It seems Reid's loyalty to Truly led her to change the timeframe of when she had seen Oswald. Oswald himself mentions going up for a coke PRE-assassination - and this was undoubtedly when Mrs. Reid had actyally seen him up there.

Further evidence for this is that she described Oswald as weaing a white t-shirt - no outer shirt. His normal routine was similar to other workers there. They would wear a shirt and/or jacket over a t-shirt and strip down to the t-shirt only while working. Moreover - and this is crucial - fibers from that shirt were allegedly found on the rifle as another piece of evdence against Oswald. For Reid's statement to be true, not only would she have had to be blind to Hine sitting right there behind a desk, Hine would have to have been blind and deaf to Reid and Oswald --- AND - Oswald would have had to have put his outer shirt on to take the shots, get the shots off,  dump the rifle, then race down for his legendary encounter with Baker and Truly in the 2nd floor lunchroom. Now he has to take his outer shirt off and somehow hide it on himself so that Reid doesn't notice it,  cross paths with her, then race down to the 1st (ground) floor where he puts his outer shirt back on and grabs his coat which also has to be hidden on him since the witnesses on the getaway bus he is now heading for don't mention it. Bus stalls in traffic - he gets off, makes his magic coat reappear, puts it on and goes the rest of the way by cab. 

In short, Mrs. ReiId gilded the lily big-time. And she did it for her boss, Mr. Truly who will be unequivolcally revealed to be the inside man in the framing of Oswald in the next volume of my series Lee Harvey Oswald's Cold War. 

A few bits on the up and coming movie

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Barto at November 14, 2015 at 2:41 PM

A few bits on the up and coming movie

http://www.prayer-man.com/prayer-man-the-movie/

It's going to be simply awesome, Bart.