REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

Ed Ledoux at February 4, 2015 at 8:26 AM

Correct for the Mother to see LHO standing at the window, there is no way LMR see's LHO walk up from a location unknown, he would have 'walked up' already for Mom to see him.

And yes if LHO was in the window it would be hard to miss with LMR two feet away.

 

 

 

Said she knew which car door it was...seems by certain car door sounds she figured this out.

 

 

 

She could not see through their car through the carport slats through BWF's car to see anything going on outside by BWF's car.Mrs. RANDLE. In the automobile. I do not know if he put it on the seat or on the floor.

Senator COOPER. I mean did you see him throw open the. door?

Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.

Senator COOPER. When he placed the package in there do you remember whether he used one hand or two?

Mrs. RANDLE. No; because I only opened the door briefly and what made me establish the door on Wesley's car, it is an old car and that door, the window is broken and everything and it is hard to close, so that cinched in my mind which door it was, too. But it was only briefly that I looked

 

 

 

Note: Table and chair where Mrs. Essie Mae Williams, Nee: Jones (3429 West Fifth) would likely have been seated facing towards window with the children and BWF. http [:/] /www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=95672&relPageId=148

Essies spouse was David Franklin Williams whom was in the hospital.

 

A funeral service for Linnie Randle, age 79, of Dike, will be conducted at Spence Chapel at First Baptist Church, at 2:00 p.m., Saturday, December 22, 2012, with Rev. Fred Lewis and Rev. Michael Skelton officiating. Interment will follow at Restlawn Memorial Park with Jason Ashford, Josh Ashford, Steven Cooper, Tyler Cooper Michael Skelton and Brandon Skelton serving as pallbearers. Honorary pallbearers will be Ray Skelton, Randy Gyer, B. W. Frazier, Robert Frazier, Erwin Boyle, Cliff Randle, Marvin Randle, Don Randle, Chuck Creed and Charlie Frazier. Visitation will be from 6:00 p.m. to 8:00 p.m., Friday, December 21, 2012 at Murray-Orwosky Funeral Home. Linnie Randle passed away Thursday evening, December 20, 2012 at Hopkins County Memorial Hospital. She was born in New Boston on May 30, 1933, the daughter of Elbert E. Frazier and Essie Mae (Jones) Frazier. She married William Edward "Bill" Randle in Huntsville on April 3, 1953; he survives. She was a retired L.V.N. and a member of First Baptist Church. Other survivors include: daughters, Diana Gyer and husband, Randy, of Dike and Patricia Skelton and husband, Ray, of Sulphur Springs; sisters, Dottie Boyle of Sealy, Joyce Gregg and Ester Frazier, both of Highlands; brothers, B. W. Frazier of Lewisville and Charles Frazier of Kingsville; grandchildren, Jason Ashford, Josh Ashford, Steven Cooper, Mike Skelton, Brandon Skelton, Jessica Gyer and Amber Gyer; great-grandchildren, Jacy Ashford, Lexi Cooper, Lainee Ashford, Trinity Ashford, Logyn Ashford, Morgyn Ashford, Tyler Cooper, Mason Cooper and Zali Skelton. She was preceded in death by her parents; daughter, Carolyn Sue Ashford and great-granddaughter, Chloe Ashford.

 

House was in the name of Alfred E. Randle the step-father. 2837 West Shady Grove

 

Mr. BALL. Mrs. Randle, where do you live?

 

Mrs. RANDLE. 2438 Westfield, Irving, Tex. (must have been transcription error 2438 Westfield vs 2439 West Fifth ? Right?......?)

 

and

 

Mr. BALL - What is the address where you live?

 

 

Mr. FRAZIER - 2439 West Fifth Street.

 

WTH?

 

Was BWF address the living room with a door and walkway fronting Fifth? Or was that Mom's room?

Map shows WESTBROOK Drive and W. 5th or Fifth Street

 

Correct address is 2439 West Fifth St. Irving TX

 

Ruth Paine lived across the street for two years form Linnie Mae when Linne lived down the street on Fifth.

 

Mrs. RANDLE. Well, for a period, I am not sure of this, it is quite 2 years, I lived across the street from her. I didn't visit with her, but I visited with her neighbor who lives next door.

 

Mr. BALL. What is her name?

 

Mrs. RANDLE. Mrs. Dorothy Roberts.

 

Mr. BALL. That was before you moved down the street to the corner of Westfield and Fifth Street?

 

Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.

 

This Westfield street is confirmed....WTH? Come on people!

 

The past thread on these individuals, and the William, Willie, Bill Randle, Randall identifications.

http [:/] /reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t24p30-buell-wesley-frazier-linnie-mae-and-bill-randle

 

http [:/] /www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10697&relPageId=6

Via Odum and McNeely whom talked to Mr and Mrs CP Schneider, Mrs Mary Ponder, Mr and Mrs Victor Embry, Mrs James Goodwin, Mr and Mrs James Williams, and Mr and Mrs Ed Roberts.,

Willie Randle was know to neighbor Mr. C P Schneider 2707 West Fifth St, whom was told by Ed Roberts of 2519 West Fifth St. that Willie Randle gave Oswald a ride that morning 11/22.

 

Greg Parker has said before "Randle had left that morning bound for Austin with a fellow employee of his brother's firm named Berry Castor. Maybe Roberts mistook Castor for Oswald?"

 

If they had searched for William Randle vs Willie Randall would they have found something?

http [:/] /www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/pdf/WH22_CE_1331.pdf

Like Dave's House Of Guns, 2544 Elm. where the optics and perhaps a MC rifle could come together? Retting thinks Klein's would be more logical for LHO to do business...? WTH? Kleins doesn't put that scope on that model MC rifle, is by mail order + shipping and the place down on Elm would be such a trouble to get a rifle from under a fake name.... oy vey, Willie Randall is up there with Darryl Click why not use those as an alias? [:D]

 

http [:/] /www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=691889

Shows Retting and DAVE'S HOUSE OF GUNS as major weapon import companies.

 

Anyways,

Randle, William Edward 1-20-1934 M, Adena Gebert mother, Alfred Earnest Randle father.

 

WC has him as William Evert Randle CE 1331; CD 87 SS 176, p. 1 thanks to FBI's bad reporting.

 

 

Ed and Dorothy Roberts 2519 W 5th St Irving Tx Phone # BL 3-2766 (Hey C 2766 is the rifles number C is the third letter :-) Okay stop that!)

Hosty talked to them because the Dallas directory did not cover Irving and it was very difficult to determine whom lived at a given address, so Hosty makes a bee line for Ed and Dorothy, the neighborhood spys or The Eyes and Ears of Irving...to find out about the address at 2515 West Fifth St.?

Dorothy gives Hosty a complete run down on the Paines, and says Ruth gets a neighborhood seal of approval. And Hosty tells us 2511 West Fifth St. was vacant.

 

Bill Simmons Piano Player for the Carousel Club lived at 2530 West Fifth St. Irving Tx (Dorothy would know William F. Simmons, a piano player at the Carousel Club, lived at 2539 West Fifth Street, in Irving Texas)

 

Kenneth D Reynolds 2514 West Fifth St. Irving Tx traded for the property from Ina Faye, J W Hallmarks wife, in 1959 for house on Grove st..

 

I searched for INA FAYE,

 

Randy was born on June 3, 1955 in Dallas, Texas to J. W. Hallmark and Ina Faye Scruggs. He attended school in Irving, Texas and served in the United States Army during the Vietnam era. He worked for A. D. R. and Xerox as a production assistant, was a tow truck driver and auto mechanic. He moved to Johnston County in the early 1990’s.

 

He was preceded in death by his mother, Ina Faye and other relatives.

 

Randy is survived by two daughters, Halina York & her husband Matt of Coffeyville, Kansas, Crystal Hodges & her husband Peter of Oklahoma City; his son, Josh Hallmark & his wife Sabrina of Ravia; his grandchildren, A. J., Aaron, Joshua, Lehany, Peter, Jr., Cheatham, Kendra, Jacob, Jayden and Joe; his sister, Terry Hallmark of Colleyville, Texas; the mother of his children, Victoria Lynn of Dickson, Oklahoma; his father, J. W. Hallmark of Ravia; numerous other relatives and friends. http [:/] /www.clarkfuneralservice.net/memsol.cgi?user_id=300979

 

And then I found Ina Faye, she lived most of her life in Irving Tx

http [:/] /www.clarkfuneralservice.net/memsol.cgi?user_id=256419

 

J W Hallmark currently lives in Ravia OK with an unpublished number.

JW is President of the Old Settlers there.

J W is the Brother in Law of Mr Clifton Shasteen.

Clifton saw LHO drive in a station wagon like Mrs. Paines to his barber shop.

 

 

Ed,

thanks so much for this post and the info

What I wouldn't give to know exactly where Bill Randle was around 7-9am that morning

I think too, its very strange how each one of the coffee club girls from the Irving viper's nest tried oh so hard in their various interviews to down play the frequency of their sordid little gatherings.

Cheers Ed, and absolutely love the Dallas Transit Transfer thread

Colin Crow at February 3, 2015 at 4:23 PM

The supposed "conversations" about the package between Oswald and Frazier appear bogus to me. So too the LMR questioning of her brother on the Thursday night about Oswald etc.

i believe Frazier heard of Oswald some time on his way to Irving or after he just arrived. Crapped his pants immediately and sought advice from his older sister. She likely told him to visit Randle in hospital. This bought some time for the story to evolved about a "package" containing curtain rods that would hopefully put Buell in the clear. I do not believe LMR saw any package that mornings. Her arrival, by car, at the Paines' to talk to the cops was done to help get her brother off any hook he might be in.

At that time, a long bag became an item of interest. Perhaps one that was constructed inside the TSBD to transport the. 36” wooden sill strip from the SN would suffice.

Thanks for this Colin,

I really believe that meeting of the three at the Paine house, with Ruth, Linnie, and Dorothy at or around 3.00pm followed shortly afterward by Michael, is for me the "ground zero' of the bag/curtain rod story. 

I said in that thread Ed pointed to at the old forum that Willie had left that morning for Austin. Not sure whether that was in one of the documents or whether I just made an assumption based on I have no idea what. But either way, I am not aware of any evidence he left that morning. The only evidence I know of states that he arrived at his motel in Austin at 7pm. It is nowhere near an 11 or 12 hour drive so there is no known fact which would prohibit him as being LHO's chauffeur that morning - or lunchtime for that matter.

It is the Schneider lead and the inactions and actions which followed it, that convinces me Willie driving Ruth's car to take LHO to work has merit.  Especially when you add that to the lack of witnesses and inconsistent testimony of Wes and Linnie regarding the official version. 

And this:

Mr. BALL - This night, this evening, do you remember you did talk to her about the fact that Oswald had come home with you?

Mr. FRAZIER - 1 believe I did.

Mr. BALL - Did you tell her what he had told you?

Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir. I believe she said why did he come home now and I said, well, he says he was going to get some curtain rods.

And Randle:

Mr. BALL. Did you talk to Wesley about the fact that he had brought Lee home on this night?

Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir.

Greg at February 4, 2015 at 7:08 PM

I said in that thread Ed pointed to at the old forum that Willie had left that morning for Austin. Not sure whether that was in one of the documents or whether I just made an assumption based on I have no idea what. But either way, I am not aware of any evidence he left that morning. The only evidence I know of states that he arrived at his motel in Austin at 7pm. It is nowhere near an 11 or 12 hour drive so there is no known fact which would prohibit him as being LHO's chauffeur that morning - or lunchtime for that matter.

It is the Schneider lead and the inactions and actions which followed it, that convinces me Willie driving Ruth's car to take LHO to work has merit.  Especially when you add that to the lack of witnesses and inconsistent testimony of Wes and Linnie regarding the official version. 

Greg, this from the old forum:

Greg parker: 2009 Post

WILLIAM ("BILL") EDWARD RANDLE

Business in Austin

Neither Linnie Mae nor Buell Frazier were asked during testimony if Bill Randle was home on the morning of Friday, November 22, 1963. His only recorded whereabouts on that day is at the Austin Motel in Austin. And only then because of a tip to the FBI from the motel manager.

Mrs John O Thompson phoned the Austin FBI office on November 23 to inform them that Randle had arrived at about 7:00pm the previous day with a man named Berry J Caster driving a Chevy pick up. The report goes on to say, "they both claimed to be employees of the Irving Counter Top Company", and that he had a "personal acquaintanceship" with Oswald, the extent of which was not discussed.

According to Mrs Thompson, Randle said his wife worked at the same building as Oswald, and also told her of rumors that had circulated in Dallas that Kennedy would be shot when he came "on account of the Veteran's Administration Offices being moved out of Dallas".

At about 7:30pm, Randle attempted to contact Marvin Randle in Irving, but was unsuccessful, though he did get through in a later attempt, learning that his wife had been called in for questioning concerning the assassination. On receiving this news, he checked out of the motel and caught a flight back to Dallas at 11:05pm. Caster checked out at 7:00am the following morning and drove the Chevy back to Irving.[16]

This report was not followed up until January 21 when Randle was interviewed by Special Agent Warren de Brueys. Randle advised that the trip to Austin was in connection with his employment for Irving Counter Top, that the business was owned by his brother, Marvin, and it was purely a business matter that had prompted his call to his brother. He denied any knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald, had never even seen him except in newspapers after the assassination, and said he could not recall making any statement that Kennedy would be killed because of the Veteran's Offices being moved out of the city.[17] Notably absent in the report is what time he left Irving that day (it is about a 3 hour drive, so the latest he could have left to arrive at 7:00pm is about 4:00pm); what time he arrived home after his flight; and whether Berry Caster was related to Warren Caster who had been displaying rifles in the TSBD two days before the assassination.

Mick Purdy at February 4, 2015 at 8:41 PM

Greg at February 4, 2015 at 7:08 PM

I said in that thread Ed pointed to at the old forum that Willie had left that morning for Austin. Not sure whether that was in one of the documents or whether I just made an assumption based on I have no idea what. But either way, I am not aware of any evidence he left that morning. The only evidence I know of states that he arrived at his motel in Austin at 7pm. It is nowhere near an 11 or 12 hour drive so there is no known fact which would prohibit him as being LHO's chauffeur that morning - or lunchtime for that matter.

It is the Schneider lead and the inactions and actions which followed it, that convinces me Willie driving Ruth's car to take LHO to work has merit.  Especially when you add that to the lack of witnesses and inconsistent testimony of Wes and Linnie regarding the official version. 

Greg, this from the old forum:

Greg parker: 2009 Post

 

WILLIAM ("BILL") EDWARD RANDLE

 

Business in Austin

Neither Linnie Mae nor Buell Frazier were asked during testimony if Bill Randle was home on the morning of Friday, November 22, 1963. His only recorded whereabouts on that day is at the Austin Motel in Austin. And only then because of a tip to the FBI from the motel manager.

 

Mrs John O Thompson phoned the Austin FBI office on November 23 to inform them that Randle had arrived at about 7:00pm the previous day with a man named Berry J Caster driving a Chevy pick up. The report goes on to say, "they both claimed to be employees of the Irving Counter Top Company", and that he had a "personal acquaintanceship" with Oswald, the extent of which was not discussed.

 

According to Mrs Thompson, Randle said his wife worked at the same building as Oswald, and also told her of rumors that had circulated in Dallas that Kennedy would be shot when he came "on account of the Veteran's Administration Offices being moved out of Dallas".

 

At about 7:30pm, Randle attempted to contact Marvin Randle in Irving, but was unsuccessful, though he did get through in a later attempt, learning that his wife had been called in for questioning concerning the assassination. On receiving this news, he checked out of the motel and caught a flight back to Dallas at 11:05pm. Caster checked out at 7:00am the following morning and drove the Chevy back to Irving.[16]

 

This report was not followed up until January 21 when Randle was interviewed by Special Agent Warren de Brueys. Randle advised that the trip to Austin was in connection with his employment for Irving Counter Top, that the business was owned by his brother, Marvin, and it was purely a business matter that had prompted his call to his brother. He denied any knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald, had never even seen him except in newspapers after the assassination, and said he could not recall making any statement that Kennedy would be killed because of the Veteran's Offices being moved out of the city.[17] Notably absent in the report is what time he left Irving that day (it is about a 3 hour drive, so the latest he could have left to arrive at 7:00pm is about 4:00pm); what time he arrived home after his flight; and whether Berry Caster was related to Warren Caster who had been displaying rifles in the TSBD two days before the assassination.

 

 

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=342873

According to CE1799, the postal inspectors, including in particular Harry Holmes, interviewed a Mr. and Mrs. C. P. Schneider of Irving, Texas, in the neighborhood of the Paines and Randles, on November 22, 1963, at 6pm. They said that Mrs. Ed Roberts, i.e. Dorothy Roberts, told them that "Willie Randle" had driven Oswald to work that morning. She apparently didn't know that it was Wesley Frazier who drove Oswald to work that morning.

"Dorothy Roberts, told them that "Willie Randle" had driven Oswald to work that morning. She apparently didn't know that it was Wesley Frazier who drove Oswald to work that morning."

Bingo, Greg! Seems you must've remembered this from somewhere. She "didn't know" it was Frazier... duh!

Terry Martin at February 4, 2015 at 9:35 PM

"Dorothy Roberts, told them that "Willie Randle" had driven Oswald to work that morning. She apparently didn't know that it was Wesley Frazier who drove Oswald to work that morning."

Bingo, Greg! Seems you must've remembered this from somewhere. She "didn't know" it was Frazier... duh!

Couldn't have put it better myself Terry.

And the cat is out of the bag.

According to CE1799, the postal inspectors, including in particular Harry Holmes, interviewed a Mr. and Mrs. C. P. Schneider of Irving, Texas, in the neighborhood of the Paines and Randles, on November 22, 1963, at 6pm. They said that Mrs. Ed Roberts, i.e. Dorothy Roberts, told them that "Willie Randle" had driven Oswald to work that morning. She apparently didn't know that it was Wesley Frazier who drove Oswald to work that morning.

Mick, why would she say it was Willie unless she was told that herself? She surely didn't make it up out of thin air. The information should have been followed up with an interview of Roberts followed by an interview with her source.

I mean, this at 6pm - Willie himself was still ont booked into his motel room at Austin - presumably he was still on the road on his way there.

And you've reminded me -- the motel managers told the FBI that Willie had told them he had an "acquantenship" with Oswald... yet officially they'd never laid eyes on each other. I would love to have a photo of Willie. 

Greg at February 4, 2015 at 10:31 PM

According to CE1799, the postal inspectors, including in particular Harry Holmes, interviewed a Mr. and Mrs. C. P. Schneider of Irving, Texas, in the neighborhood of the Paines and Randles, on November 22, 1963, at 6pm. They said that Mrs. Ed Roberts, i.e. Dorothy Roberts, told them that "Willie Randle" had driven Oswald to work that morning. She apparently didn't know that it was Wesley Frazier who drove Oswald to work that morning.

Mick, why would she say it was Willie unless she was told that herself? She surely didn't make it up out of thin air. The information should have been followed up with an interview of Roberts followed by an interview with her source.

I mean, this at 6pm - Willie himself was still ont booked into his motel room at Austin - presumably he was still on the road on his way there.

And you've reminded me -- the motel managers told the FBI that Willie had told them he had an "acquantenship" with Oswald... yet officially they'd never laid eyes on each other. I would love to have a photo of Willie. 

Spot on Greg,

My point exactly, I find this to be extremely interesting. She told them  that Willie drove Oswald to work. She had to have seen what she thought was Willie driving Oswald to work. 

I believe Randle drove Oswald to work. 

I am thinking I need to get a photo from somewhere, anywhere, of Mr Bill Randle

I realize this may be an off-the-wall sort of question, but I just got to thinking about the way other areas of the case have simply vanished under detailed inspection, i got to wondering: Did Oswald actually go home Thursday night?

Is there any proof that he did, in fact, alter his schedule and go to Irving on Thursday evening rather than his "usual" (or semi-quasi-close to usual) Friday evening.

I do not mean to derail the fascinating look into the Vipers' Nest but I was thinking we might look at if there is any need to find out who drove him back to Dallas on Friday morning. If he was never in Irving Thursday night...

Ooooh, my head is spinning!

Terry, he was seen around 6pm of Nov 21 on the Paine lawn by CP schneider. I have no reason to doubt that sighting. I believe he was either staying at the Paines the whole time (although there are other schools of thought that may hold more water), or living somewhere else in Oak cliff. There is evidence of him looking for accommodation in Oak Cliff long after he was supposed to have moved into the N Beckley boarding house. 

Greg at February 5, 2015 at 3:06 PM

Terry, he was seen around 6pm of Nov 21 on the Paine lawn by CP schneider. I have no reason to doubt that sighting. I believe he was either staying at the Paines the whole time (although there are other schools of thought that may hold more water), or living somewhere else in Oak cliff. There is evidence of him looking for accommodation in Oak Cliff long after he was supposed to have moved into the N Beckley boarding house. 

Greg,

Thanks for the response. Unless it was Crafard at the Paine's house, I suppose he did go home on Thursday evening.

It is amazing how close Irving was to Oak Cliff. I have always wondered why he didn't just go home with BWF everyday. But that's for another thread.

Now we can get back to the business of dissecting what BWF and the Randalls were up to. And it certainly doesn't look good for Buell. (No wonder he's kept his mouth shut about PM.)

Terry Martin at February 5, 2015 at 3:15 PM

Greg at February 5, 2015 at 3:06 PM

Terry, he was seen around 6pm of Nov 21 on the Paine lawn by CP schneider. I have no reason to doubt that sighting. I believe he was either staying at the Paines the whole time (although there are other schools of thought that may hold more water), or living somewhere else in Oak cliff. There is evidence of him looking for accommodation in Oak Cliff long after he was supposed to have moved into the N Beckley boarding house. 

Greg,

 

Thanks for the response. Unless it was Crafard at the Paine's house, I suppose he did go home on Thursday evening.

 

It is amazing how close Irving was to Oak Cliff. I have always wondered why he didn't just go home with BWF everyday. But that's for another thread.

 

Now we can get back to the business of dissecting what BWF and the Randalls were up to. And it certainly doesn't look good for Buell. (No wonder he's kept his mouth shut about PM.)

You know the drill by now Terry... there's always more to come out... 

Greg at February 5, 2015 at 3:06 PM

Terry, he was seen around 6pm of Nov 21 on the Paine lawn by CP schneider. I have no reason to doubt that sighting. I believe he was either staying at the Paines the whole time (although there are other schools of thought that may hold more water), or living somewhere else in Oak cliff. There is evidence of him looking for accommodation in Oak Cliff long after he was supposed to have moved into the N Beckley boarding house. 

Greg 

you raise agood point.

and you've reminded me,

how easy it was for neighbours back in '63 on Fifth and Westbrook  to see one anothers daily business. Just how little vegetation there was, trees gardens, and the fences surrounding the houses were only waist high cyclone wire fencing which ran down the sides and across the rear. Most had no front fence whatsoever.

I still maintain that it is beyond plausible (bloody near impossible)  that nobody saw Oswald trudge across from the Pain house to the Randle house given the geographical environment, with a package large enough to carry a rifle, and not be seen  by anyone especially at that time of the morning. And thats important to the official story, not only have we got nobody seeing a package but we have nobody seeing Oswald.

It makes sense that Oswald was driven home on Thursday night by Frazier, but then again as far as I'm aware we only have BWF and LMR who confirm this. Was he driven home by Frazier? I don't know. Was he in Irving on that Thusday night, almost certainly IMO

Lets consider the testimony of Randle and Frazier and Essie Mae with regards to Oswald at that kitchen window:

Mr. FRAZIER - I was sitting there eating my breakfast there, so sitting there, I usually talk to my little nieces, you know, they have them cartoons on for a while and we usually talk a little bit back and forth while eating breakfast and I was just finishing my coffee there and my sister, you know, was working over there around, you know the sink there, and she was fixing my lunch so she was somewhere around there over on the cabinets fixing the cabinets and mother just happened to glance up and saw this man, you know, who was Lee looking in the window for me and she said, "Who is that?"

So what we have here is Essie Mae observing Oswald looking through the kitchen window, with Randle right at the window at the sink and by way of her testimony tells us she can't identify who is going to Wes's car:

Mrs. RANDLE. He opened the right back door and I just saw that he was laying the package down so I closed the door. I didn't recognize him as he walked across my carport and I at that moment I wondered who was fixing to come to my back door so I opened the door slightly and saw that it--I assumed he was getting in the car but he didn't, so he come back and stood on the driveway.

How could Randle not recognise Lee, if he was looking through the window while she was right there at it she almost certainly knew who it was. And we have further proof the story is a fabrication, IMO because Essie Mae asks Wes "who is that" out loud, and Frazier says out loud and before Lee has gone to the car:

And I said, "That is Lee,"

Now unless someone can prove that Linnie Mae was deaf, the story of Lee coming over that morning IMO is a total fabrication 

Here is a reenactment of the official version of the Frazier-Oswald scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIre8cupXfg

Vinny at February 6, 2015 at 5:34 AM

Here is a reenactment of the official version of the Frazier-Oswald scene.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIre8cupXfg

Thanks Vinny,

Priceless, and is a powerful tool in showing just how lame Randles Testimony is regarding not knowing who was aiming to go to Wes's car.

Which reminds me to let you know to have a look at the album I've posted in the Photo section regarding the geography of the walk fromthe Paine house over to the Randle home and the walk into the TSBD from the parking lot

Mick,

Don't forget that the direction Frazier's car when parked next to the car port suddenly changed during the investigation.

Let’s look a little more closely at the shambolic testimony of Randle and Frazier from the Randle’s kitchen.

IMO none of the events from the kitchen which these two describe could have possibly happened in the manner they have told us.

Let’s be clear here, this is no longer just about observing a package, this is about these two, Randle and Frazier and whether they really did eyeball Oswald that morning.

Randle said she saw Oswald crossing the Street, she didn’t know from where, but she observed him nonetheless walking toward the house. She said, she saw Lee long enough to establish he was carrying a large package in his right hand and gripped somewhere near the top, and that the package was almost touching the ground.

IMO Randle certainly goes to quite considerable length to have us believe she did indeed eyeball Oswald walking across Westbrook Street making his way to the house. She wanted us desperately to believe that, she has given us so much detail in her testimony of Oswald’s walk to the house, that it’s hard not to imagine Lee trudging across the bitumen towards the Randle home.

But then in a severe case of memory loss, Randle dropped the ball. She had a melt-down in her sworn testimony. IMO that goes a long way to powerfully suggest Randle never really saw Oswald at all.

After testifying to the W.C. about all the details of Oswald’s walk to the house from the alleged view she had through the kitchen window, IMO Randle had a problem.

She had to give reason to get to that back door for the illusion to be created further. We all know why that is. She had to get to the door to create the illusion Of Oswald placing the package in the car after having walked across the street. It was imperative that this was in their story.

It’s here where IMO Randle exposes her deceit and the fantasy of that morning.

She claimed to have left the kitchen bench supposedly after eyeballing Oswald.

She claimed she did this because she didn’t know who was aiming to come to her back door.

She claimed she was at the open back door for a just a moment, but long enough to see Oswald walk to the car and open the right rear door and place the package inside the car and walk to the driveway. That’s some moment!

In Frazier’s Testimony he contradicts Randle’s version by allowing the mother Essie Mae to ask out loud “who’s that” and Frazier responds, “That’s Lee” In Randle’s world she missed hearing this apparently. She missed hearing her mother’s question and Frazier’s reply IMO because the event never occurred.

The contradiction comes from the testimony of Frazier, as Oswald stood looking through the window long enough for Essie Mae to have asked “Who’s that” and for Frazier to reply (out loud) “That’s Lee”. Randle then wanted us to believe she had completely forgotten what she had just seen through the window, and had heard and dived for the door, because she “wanted to see who was aiming to come to her back door”. This is the clue to the deceit, the lies and the fabrication.

IMO Randle’s story is false.

She cannot have seen so much detail of Oswald coming over to her house and a moment later not know who is aiming to come to the back door.

I believe Frazier’s lie is in his testimony of what his mother had said that morning and subsequently what he claimed he said in reply to her, that is the clue to the deceit. IMO that is why Randle did not recollect that very important part of the official story. It simply did not happen. It was Frazier’s invention which Randle had forgotten to recall.

Randle said

I didn't recognize him as he walked across my carport and I at that moment I wondered who was fixing to come to my back door.

We know this to be false.

And one last thing to consider, In all the testimony, affidavits and interviews by the various authorities, over the issue of Oswald trudging over to the Randle house from the Paine’s, with a package large enough to carry a rifle, don’t you find it a little odd that in reality there is really only one person who saw Oswald make that walk with that large package.

That person just happens to be Linnie Mae Randle.

Wes never admits to actually seeing Lee at any time before meeting up with him outside of the house in the driveway when they leave for work.

IMO Wes takes up the slack of the fable at this moment, with the car trip into work and that walk into the TSBD.

There is someone else who just happened to be the only person who witnessed Oswald with a package that day, as he walked through parking lot 1 on his 3 block walk on his way into the TSBD.

That person just happens to be Buell Wesley Frazier

Now that really is keeping it all in the family.