REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

This may be as close to what he'd look like in '63, I can grab it if you want.

http://www.e-yearbook.com/yearbooks/Irving_High_School_Lair_Yearbook/1957/Page_16.html
funny he is with a Charles Randle..

is there any evidence that BWF after the assassination came into money you wouldnt expect from his career path? Just wonder how much carrot and how much stick has been used on him.

Lets say (as seems very likely to me) that LHO and BWF are standing together and apparently communicating with each other at the back step.  Is there any significance to the fact they are in what I assume is a position that only people arriving last out the building would take up due to better spots already having been taken?  Is there anything that would lead them to taking up a bad position or leaving a little late? Location in the building? 

What I would say is its the last position you would take up if you thought you needed to get away.  Its a bad position if you really wanted to keep an eye on the motorcade or events during and after the shooting. However its also a bad spot if you had some prior knowledge of the plot and conciously wanted to make sure you have an alliby by being seen by as many colleagues as possible. It also isnt a spot you would choose to stand in if you had prior knowledge and knew police would be charging towards the door soon. 

Its kind of the spot someone with only a minimal interest in seeing the event would take if their main goal was to have a slight advantage in getting back into the building to have lunch, get to the coke machine before others or whatever. if, as seems very likely, it is LHO then it doesnt speak of a man with prior-knowledge or a peripheral role in the assassination. 

Alan at May 20, 2016 at 6:43 AM

Lets say (as seems very likely to me) that LHO and BWF are standing together and apparently communicating with each other at the back step.  Is there any significance to the fact they are in what I assume is a position that only people arriving last out the building would take up due to better spots already having been taken?  Is there anything that would lead them to taking up a bad position or leaving a little late? Location in the building? 

What I would say is its the last position you would take up if you thought you needed to get away.  Its a bad position if you really wanted to keep an eye on the motorcade or events during and after the shooting. However its also a bad spot if you had some prior knowledge of the plot and conciously wanted to make sure you have an alliby by being seen by as many colleagues as possible. It also isnt a spot you would choose to stand in if you had prior knowledge and knew police would be charging towards the door soon. 

Its kind of the spot someone with only a minimal interest in seeing the event would take if their main goal was to have a slight advantage in getting back into the building to have lunch, get to the coke machine before others or whatever. if, as seems very likely, it is LHO then it doesnt speak of a man with prior-knowledge or a peripheral role in the assassination. 

Alan,

Very good points about the position taken at that time. If it can be proven to be Oswald, all the theories about his involvement will be precisely dick.

I saw someone on facebook raise a theory that had occurred to me as well. I tend to think the whole framing LHO was a military originated thing which was aimed at giving the US an excuse to invade Cuba and topple Castro.  However, it was not necessary to actually kill JFK to do that. It just had to look like a Cuban linked person (LHO's legend) had tried. So individually I came up with the same theory as the guy on facebook that there could have been a 'shoot to miss' plot by military types itching to get at Cuba that as hijacked into a fatal plot. I dont know if this is a reasonable theory or just overcomplicating things. I tend to think if a 'shoot to miss' JFK thing with fake Cuban connections had taken place it would have been a whole lot less messy but the military would still in all likelihood got their excuse to invade Cuba.

Alan, either Mr X was tapped to get on board because of his connectons to certain individuals by using his personal problems which would be fixed with an assassination as the bait, or Mr X tapped into his military/intel/cuban connections using an invasion of Cuba as bait. Either way, fixing his own problems was his main priority. Any other outcomes were just cream. Using Cubans would also help muddy the waters.

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I wouldn't entirely discount the "deliberate miss" theory because it can work in just about any scenario. It may also cause the Walker shooting to take on a new perspective as a "practice run".

At the momemt though, it hasn't got a lot of evidentiary support. Just something to keep in the back of the mind as a remote possibility.

Greg at May 24, 2016 at 8:00 AM

Alan, either Mr X was tapped to get on board because of his connectons to certain individuals by using his personal problems which would be fixed with an assassination as the bait, or Mr X tapped into his military/intel/cuban connections using an invasion of Cuba as bait. Either way, fixing his own problems was his main priority. Any other outcomes were just cream. Using Cubans would also help muddy the waters.

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I wouldn't entirely discount the "deliberate miss" theory because it can work in just about any scenario. It may also cause the Walker shooting to take on a new perspective as a "practice run".

At the momemt though, it hasn't got a lot of evidentiary support. Just something to keep in the back of the mind as a remote possibility.

So when you are saying Mr X you mean there was a single individual driving the whole thing?  One thing that has always baffled me is how messy the whole thing is.  Either the people involved were like the keystone cops or something went badly wrong. So much of the coverup seems like on the hoof improvising done rather badly. My impression from several essays and books is an awful lot of people know more than they let on. Its an extradordinary mess with far too many people knowing something. Why did so much messy improvisation have to happen? The KGB would probably just have put radiactive material in JFK's suntan lotion :0)  So in your opinion was this just a keystone cops operation which would have been laughable to most intel agencies or did something go badly wrong with the plan which required lots of desperate improvisation? 

I asked before but got no response, so here goes again - is there any evidence that Buell came into money after the assassination?  It has been raised before in situations like this that where someone who appears to be involved in a coverup seems to come into a lot of money. Was there some carrot or was it all stick that is keeping him silent?   

Alan at May 24, 2016 at 10:54 AM

I asked before but got no response, so here goes again - is there any evidence that Buell came into money after the assassination?  It has been raised before in situations like this that where someone who appears to be involved in a coverup seems to come into a lot of money. Was there some carrot or was it all stick that is keeping him silent?   

Alan,

No large amounts of money coming his way that I'm aware of since the assassination. 

Just looking at his demeanour over the journey and of course I could be way off, but he certainly has the look of someone who has received a bit of stick. 

Alan at May 24, 2016 at 10:31 AM

Greg at May 24, 2016 at 8:00 AM

Alan, either Mr X was tapped to get on board because of his connectons to certain individuals by using his personal problems which would be fixed with an assassination as the bait, or Mr X tapped into his military/intel/cuban connections using an invasion of Cuba as bait. Either way, fixing his own problems was his main priority. Any other outcomes were just cream. Using Cubans would also help muddy the waters.

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I wouldn't entirely discount the "deliberate miss" theory because it can work in just about any scenario. It may also cause the Walker shooting to take on a new perspective as a "practice run".

At the momemt though, it hasn't got a lot of evidentiary support. Just something to keep in the back of the mind as a remote possibility.

So when you are saying Mr X you mean there was a single individual driving the whole thing?  One thing that has always baffled me is how messy the whole thing is.  Either the people involved were like the keystone cops or something went badly wrong. So much of the coverup seems like on the hoof improvising done rather badly. My impression from several essays and books is an awful lot of people know more than they let on. Its an extradordinary mess with far too many people knowing something. Why did so much messy improvisation have to happen? The KGB would probably just have put radiactive material in JFK's suntan lotion :0)  So in your opinion was this just a keystone cops operation which would have been laughable to most intel agencies or did something go badly wrong with the plan which required lots of desperate improvisation? 

Alan, I'm saying Mr X was involved - whether he drove the whole thing, or was tapped to get on board, I don't know,

Again, there was no all-powerful individual or group who planned this like unseen pupper-masters. That is a fallacy that has become entrenched. 

Strip this case of the dimensions caused by the name of the murder victim, and it really is not much different than the Avery case.

With Avery, he was framed for personal reasons in the original case, and then framed again because of his pending civil action over the first case. All very human and even mundane n human history and behavior, even as it was devestating for the individuals involved. 

The person I have in mInd had the means, motive, opportunity and importantly, the connections. Whether he instigated the plan or was brought on board is the only question.  Truly was the "inside man". His job was simply to set the rabbit running (or appearing to be) and then set the hounds after him. The police would do what the police in Dallas always did.  They got their man, and the Reid Technique took care of making the case against him. 

Alan at May 24, 2016 at 10:54 AM

I asked before but got no response, so here goes again - is there any evidence that Buell came into money after the assassination?  It has been raised before in situations like this that where someone who appears to be involved in a coverup seems to come into a lot of money. Was there some carrot or was it all stick that is keeping him silent?   

http://www.richmond.com/news/special-report/jfk/people/article_a9be7f2e-fb7f-5357-91c9-605df00641f7.html

Although he was never charged, Frazier was still guilty in the eyes of many. For years, he had trouble finding work. His reputation in Dallas was tainted for decades. At 69, he still works.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/jfk50/explore/20130401-co-worker-who-drove-oswald-to-school-book-depository-recounts-dallas-darkest-day.ece

Today, Frazier lives in the Dallas area with his wife. He is mostly retired but works part time to supplement his monthly Social Security checks.

“Medicare pays less and less by the year,” he said.

Frazier still believes he’ll make a lot of money one day — somehow. He says he’s been writing a book about the JFK assassination and his relationship with Oswald.

After his speech at the Irving library, he walked into the warm spring night, still waiting for his ship to come in.

Alan at May 24, 2016 at 10:31 AM

Greg at May 24, 2016 at 8:00 AM

Alan, either Mr X was tapped to get on board because of his connectons to certain individuals by using his personal problems which would be fixed with an assassination as the bait, or Mr X tapped into his military/intel/cuban connections using an invasion of Cuba as bait. Either way, fixing his own problems was his main priority. Any other outcomes were just cream. Using Cubans would also help muddy the waters.

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I wouldn't entirely discount the "deliberate miss" theory because it can work in just about any scenario. It may also cause the Walker shooting to take on a new perspective as a "practice run".

At the momemt though, it hasn't got a lot of evidentiary support. Just something to keep in the back of the mind as a remote possibility.

So when you are saying Mr X you mean there was a single individual driving the whole thing?  One thing that has always baffled me is how messy the whole thing is.  Either the people involved were like the keystone cops or something went badly wrong. So much of the coverup seems like on the hoof improvising done rather badly. My impression from several essays and books is an awful lot of people know more than they let on. Its an extradordinary mess with far too many people knowing something. Why did so much messy improvisation have to happen? The KGB would probably just have put radiactive material in JFK's suntan lotion :0)  So in your opinion was this just a keystone cops operation which would have been laughable to most intel agencies or did something go badly wrong with the plan which required lots of desperate improvisation? 

This operation went exaclty as planned.  

Task one was to kill JFK.  Job done.

Task two was to blame a patsy.  Job done.

Task one was easy.  Task two relied on some very specific things happening.  First and foremost was to create as much contradiction as possible in the record.  The job was to make it "messy" - as you describe.  The messier the better.  Get the Parkland doctors contradicting the autopsy doctors. Get the witnesses contradicting each other as to how many shots, direction of shots and what they saw happen when the President was hit.  Get Frazier contradicting his sister about the size of the bag.  Get Baker contradicting Truly and get Truly contradicting Baker.   Get as many witnesses as possible to contradict each other concerning the appearance of the Tippit suspect, the clothes he was wearing, the weapon, the ammo, and what direction he was walking. Get Shelley and Lovelady contradicting themselves.  Get Givens contradicting himself.  Get Holmes contradicting Fritz and Bookout.  Get the Warren Commission to contradict the FBI.  Get the Secret Service contradicting the CIA.  Get Shanklin contradicting Hosty and get Hosty contradicting Shanklin.  Get the contradictions in the reports.  Get as many as you can.  Get discrepancies in Oswald's height, his eye colour, his weight, and whether he was left or right handed into the record.  Even get a contradiction into the hands of Lee Oswald in the backyard photographs.  Get contradictions everywhere and then release the report. Wait just over a decade and then convene a new investigation that contradicts the last one.  Create more and more and even more contradictions - - and then lather and layer them onto the previous ones.  

And then, during all of this, you can sit back and watch the amateur researchers fight, argue, dismiss, and polarise each other for the next 53 years to the point that they turn themselves into a laughing stock.  

Job done.

Why bother creating a mess?  Well, Alan Dulles, Warrren Commission member and lifelong spook and professional liar, would probably tell you the reason to do this would be because the overwhelming majority of people cannot be arsed looking into anything themselves and will simply believe what they are told - -  and the small number of people who did look into stuff would spend YEARS unravelling the mess that had been created, and even then you had the media on-side to label them as kooks and oddballs, if they ever found anything important.  

I guess they believed that anyone who decided to investigate this themselves would, in short measure, be tripping over themselves following dead-ends, incomplete leads, complete horseshit and a multitude of red herrings.  

Job done.

Suffice it to say, the contradictions I have come across whilst researching this case have well and truly done my head in...

I think Lee summed it up nicely.

The researchers today pretty much ignore the first point and concentrate on the second. It has become more about the "conspiracy" they are looking for rather than the assassination. "Task one was easy." And that's the one that is usually completely overlooked by the researchers who get such an erection thinking about nailing one of the government departments for the crime.

Those who spend all their time chasing the "leads" in the cover-up will merely waste their time.

Unless, of course, they know it was a coup d'etat.

BWF HSCA docs

http://www.prayer-man.com/rokc-at-nara-2/

Is that a portrait of Frazier on the wall?

yes behind that philanderer..........