REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

I still find Randle's statements re: knowing Oswald prior to the assassination curious. As above:

To play Devil's Advocate, he may have just been indulging in bragging -- especially if the Thompson's were Kennedy haters. "You hate JFK -- heck, I know his assassin - he's a neighbor!" 

Or it may be just more confusion in the message in that, maybe what he said was "my brother-in-law is acquainted with Oswald".

Not only did this confusion about who knew and who worked with who, cause the DPD to put Linnie Mae on TSBD list, but it also caused the FBI to look for the origin of the scope in the name Lee Harvey Oswald OR Willy Randle. In short, for a little while at least, because of that call from the Thompson's Linnie was listed as an Oswald co-worker and William as a possible co-conspirator. The one person escaping scot free  via all of this confusion is the man whose name appears in the title of the thread. 

"but it also caused the FBI to look for the originals of the scope in the name Lee Harvey Oswald OR Willy Randle".

Willie Randle theres that name again.

Greg wrote:

Mrs John O Thompson who managed the hotel with her husband, phoned the Austin FBI office on November 23 due to things William Randle had said to them, including that

(1) his wife worked at the same building as Oswald (causing Linnie's name to be added to Revill's list temporarily);

(2) he was acquainted with Oswald and;

(3) that there had been rumors circulating in Dallas that Kennedy would be shot"on account of the Veteran's Administration Offices being moved out of Dallas".

Looking at those things individually:

I believe number one was simply Mrs Thompson misremembering what she had been told. What William no doubt told her was that his wife's BROTHER worked at the same building... not that his wife did...

Number two imo, is unlikely to have been the result of any similar misunderstanding.

It is very hard to imagine how number three could not have been any sort of misunderstanding. The fact is that such rumors did circulate. The DPD had specific intelligence about it. I know this because back when I first started on this case and had more time, I immersed myself in the evidence as much as I could - and that included opening and reading every single DPD file here. http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/index.html After reading what Randle had allegedly said, I returned to the DPD files to locate the releveant document --- only to find that the whole friggin folder has gone walkabout and is currently MIA.

When you go to it - it ain't there. Folder 2 has disappeared! http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box8.htm

According to CE1799, the postal inspectors, including in particular Harry Holmes, interviewed a Mr. and Mrs. C. P. Schneider of Irving, Texas, in the neighborhood of the Paines and Randles, on November 22, 1963, at 6pm. They said that Mrs. Ed Roberts, i.e. Dorothy Roberts, told them that "Willie Randle" had driven Oswald to work that morning. 

Terry said:

Frazier - where's your rider - is caught in the biggest fattest lie of this case. And I think Givens yelling "Where's your rider?" has a lot of implications for other areas of this case as well such as the Beckley house, the bus ride, and the perplexing question about who left the TSBD earliest, LHO or BWF?

Given's yelling "Where's your rider"? is more than a little curious, as Terry has noted the implications of that question are far reaching. That one question is a mine field for the deniers, the naysayers. 

It suggests in a powerful way that Lee Oswald was expected as the passenger of Wesley Frazier on Friday morning's which of course could lead one to believe Oswald was indeed staying in the Irving area all along.

Greg at May 2, 2016 at 7:40 PM

To play Devil's Advocate, he may have just been indulging in bragging -- especially if the Thompson's were Kennedy haters. "You hate JFK -- heck, I know his assassin - he's a neighbor!" 

Or it may be just more confusion in the message in that, maybe what he said was "my brother-in-law is acquainted with Oswald".

Not only did this confusion about who knew and who worked with who, cause the DPD to put Linnie Mae on TSBD list, but it also caused the FBI to look for the origin of the scope in the name Lee Harvey Oswald OR Willy Randle. In short, for a little while at least, because of that call from the Thompson's Linnie was listed as an Oswald co-worker and William as a possible co-conspirator. The one person escaping scot free  via all of this confusion is the man whose name appears in the title of the thread. 

Mick,

that's why I said I was playing Devil's Advocate here this time.

To be clear, I still believe any impression they got about him being acquainted with Oswald, was unlikely the result of the same sort of confusion as happened with mention of his wife.  The real problem I have is that I don't tink this document can be used to support Willie knowing Oswald. That is because certain confusion in one of part of the document alllows innocent spin on this part of the document (everything in it is due to confusion in what was really said). Also the word "acquaintance" i.e. personal acquaintence vs knowing about. Example  "Yes, I am acquainted with AC/DC". 

IMO, the less impeachable indicator of a relationship is the statement of the neighbor re Slick Willy driving Oz to work. 

His denal about any satement concerning the Veteran's Office of course, remains a major concern. 

Greg at May 2, 2016 at 9:12 PM

Greg at May 2, 2016 at 7:40 PM

To play Devil's Advocate, he may have just been indulging in bragging -- especially if the Thompson's were Kennedy haters. "You hate JFK -- heck, I know his assassin - he's a neighbor!" 

Or it may be just more confusion in the message in that, maybe what he said was "my brother-in-law is acquainted with Oswald".

Not only did this confusion about who knew and who worked with who, cause the DPD to put Linnie Mae on TSBD list, but it also caused the FBI to look for the origin of the scope in the name Lee Harvey Oswald OR Willy Randle. In short, for a little while at least, because of that call from the Thompson's Linnie was listed as an Oswald co-worker and William as a possible co-conspirator. The one person escaping scot free  via all of this confusion is the man whose name appears in the title of the thread. 

Mick,

that's why I said I was playing Devil's Advocate here this time.

To be clear, I still believe any impression they got about him being acquainted with Oswald, was unlikely the result of the same sort of confusion as happened with mention of his wife.  The real problem I have is that I don't tink this document can be used to support Willie knowing Oswald. That is because certain confusion in one of part of the document alllows innocent spin on this part of the document (everything in it is due to confusion in what was really said). Also the word "acquaintance" i.e. personal acquaintence vs knowing about. Example  "Yes, I am acquainted with AC/DC". 

IMO, the less impeachable indicator of a relationship is the statement of the neighbor re Slick Willy driving Oz to work. 

His denal about any satement concerning the Veteran's Office of course, remains a major concern. 

I know you were Greg,

and agree with pretty much everything you've said.

On a side issue though,

I still have trouble dismissing that  Schneider / Roberts doc though, and I know its been covered before - but it troubles me.

There's good reason for that, because apart from Linnie and Buell nobody else has ever claimed that they observed Frazier driving Oswald to work that Friday.

Nobody.

In much the same way as that damn package Oswald supposedly carried - and how it allegedly found its way inside the TSBD, it has the same ring to it.

I've always thought there was a lot more to the Randle household than what we've been told, and it starts with Wes coming down from Huntsville IMO

Mick Purdy at May 2, 2016 at 9:52 PM

Greg at May 2, 2016 at 9:12 PM

Greg at May 2, 2016 at 7:40 PM

To play Devil's Advocate, he may have just been indulging in bragging -- especially if the Thompson's were Kennedy haters. "You hate JFK -- heck, I know his assassin - he's a neighbor!" 

Or it may be just more confusion in the message in that, maybe what he said was "my brother-in-law is acquainted with Oswald".

Not only did this confusion about who knew and who worked with who, cause the DPD to put Linnie Mae on TSBD list, but it also caused the FBI to look for the origin of the scope in the name Lee Harvey Oswald OR Willy Randle. In short, for a little while at least, because of that call from the Thompson's Linnie was listed as an Oswald co-worker and William as a possible co-conspirator. The one person escaping scot free  via all of this confusion is the man whose name appears in the title of the thread. 

Mick,

that's why I said I was playing Devil's Advocate here this time.

To be clear, I still believe any impression they got about him being acquainted with Oswald, was unlikely the result of the same sort of confusion as happened with mention of his wife.  The real problem I have is that I don't tink this document can be used to support Willie knowing Oswald. That is because certain confusion in one of part of the document alllows innocent spin on this part of the document (everything in it is due to confusion in what was really said). Also the word "acquaintance" i.e. personal acquaintence vs knowing about. Example  "Yes, I am acquainted with AC/DC". 

IMO, the less impeachable indicator of a relationship is the statement of the neighbor re Slick Willy driving Oz to work. 

His denal about any satement concerning the Veteran's Office of course, remains a major concern. 

I know you were Greg,

and agree with pretty much everything you've said.

On a side issue though,

I still have trouble dismissing that  Schneider / Roberts doc though, and I know its been covered before - but it troubles me.

There's good reason for that, because apart from Linnie and Buell nobody else has ever claimed that they observed Frazier driving Oswald to work that Friday.

Nobody.

In much the same way as that damn package Oswald supposedly carried - and how it allegedly found its way inside the TSBD, it has the same ring to it.

I've always thought there was a lot more to the Randle household than what we've been told, and it starts with Wes coming down from Huntsville IMO

I'd say we're pretty much on the same page, Mick. The timing and the household circumstances alone cause some concern...

Greg at February 13, 2016 at 7:03 PM

Greg has said "Randle had left that morning bound for Austin with a fellow employee of his brother's firm named Berry Castor. Maybe Roberts mistook Castor for Oswald?"

Did Berry look like Oswald?

How did Berry get to the Randle's? Or did Willie have to go to Shady Grove and pick up Berry?

If the later then it was not Berry with Willie.

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Good point, Ed.

The first name of Berry struck me as unusual so I've done some searches.

From the Harold Weisberg collection at Hood University, is this page:

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/R%20Disk/Randle%20Bill%20William%20Evert/Item%2004.pdf

which provides the name of Berry J Caster, residing at 214 West Shady Grove, Irving.

The May 1964 Greater Dallas Telephone Directory has no listing for a Berry J Caster however, there is a listing for a Martin E Caster, residing at the same address of 214 W Shady Grove, Irving. Telephone: BL 3-9445.

From here http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tdw2/our_ewalt/fam2654.html is some very brief biographical info of Martin E Caster (full name, dob, locale, wife's name and date of death). Also listed are the full names of his five children, the third child listed is Benny J Caster. It would appear that Berry should actually be Benny and according to this site

http://dfw.blockshopper.com/property/28028505660050000/537_st_johns_way/

he is still alive, living in Grand Prairie Texas and is 76 years old.

Name, full address and phone number: https://nuwber.com/person/563a9f6298f8a849c18f3a19

He also goes by the name of Bennie J Caster and Donnie Caster, refer: https://www.instantcheckmate.com/results/?firstName=Benny&lastName=Caster&state=TX&gender=male

Great work, Phil!

Phil Hopley at May 3, 2016 at 12:35 PM

Greg at February 13, 2016 at 7:03 PM

Greg has said "Randle had left that morning bound for Austin with a fellow employee of his brother's firm named Berry Castor. Maybe Roberts mistook Castor for Oswald?"

Did Berry look like Oswald?

How did Berry get to the Randle's? Or did Willie have to go to Shady Grove and pick up Berry?

If the later then it was not Berry with Willie.

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Good point, Ed.

The first name of Berry struck me as unusual so I've done some searches.

From the Harold Weisberg collection at Hood University, is this page:

 

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/R%20Disk/Randle%20Bill%20William%20Evert/Item%2004.pdf

 

which provides the name of Berry J Caster, residing at 214 West Shady Grove, Irving.

 

The May 1964 Greater Dallas Telephone Directory has no listing for a Berry J Caster however, there is a listing for a Martin E Caster, residing at the same address of 214 W Shady Grove, Irving. Telephone: BL 3-9445.

 

From here http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~tdw2/our_ewalt/fam2654.html is some very brief biographical info of Martin E Caster (full name, dob, locale, wife's name and date of death). Also listed are the full names of his five children, the third child listed is Benny J Caster. It would appear that Berry should actually be Benny and according to this site

http://dfw.blockshopper.com/property/28028505660050000/537_st_johns_way/

he is still alive, living in Grand Prairie Texas and is 76 years old.

 

Name, full address and phone number: https://nuwber.com/person/563a9f6298f8a849c18f3a19

 

He also goes by the name of Bennie J Caster and Donnie Caster, refer: https://www.instantcheckmate.com/results/?firstName=Benny&lastName=Caster&state=TX&gender=male

Nice work Phil.

I wonder if he'd clear up a few of those "niggles" for us. Especially that Friday. 

Berry, Benny, Bennie and Donnie. 

Berry, Benny, Bennie and Donnie.

Sounds like the Osmonds!

This would be our Benny then.

https://www.facebook.com/benny.caster

Now we need to recheck if Benny (Not Berry) was related to Warren 

The first name of Berry struck me as unusual so I've done some searches.

I'm glad you found that name unusual, Phil!

From the old forum:

Sat 14 Jun 2014, 12:46 pm

Caster's grandfather, father, father's siblings, etc,:

(His name was Benny J., not Berry J.....)

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=19683503

Proof of the Berry/Benny name mix up.:

http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,1186.msg315689.html#msg315689

....and links to Warren D Caster obit, his wife's obit, and his brother's obit.:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=7214&p=235504

I find no near, blood relationship between Benny and Warren Caster.

Now, did Benny look like Oswald back in the day?

The questions for me are - was Benny Caster picked up by William Randle that Friday morning from home - or the office to make the trip to Austin? And if so what time?

Did Benny make his own way to the Randles? If so in what vehicle?

For Roberts to have claimed what she had told the Schneiders - that she saw Willie with Lee in a car on the Friday morning, then if it was not Lee then the only other person it logically could have been is Benny.

If we could find out from Benny what time he left with Randle to go to Austin and where they departed from - then that IMO would go a long way in establishing if Willie Randle did or did not have Oswald in his car that morning.

Of course there is the possibility that Roberts got it wrong and had observed Wes and Lee in Wes's car. 

But for Roberts to observe this event, the pair would have probably had to have departed from the Paines house - which is after all what had happened nearly every other time they left for work.

Marina in her WC testimony has stated that on another occasion she thought Linnie Randle may have picked Lee up for work and driven him to the bus stop. 

Either way for Roberts to have observed Lee in a car with somebody else at or near her home then the car would have most likely had to pass her home driving West along W Fifth street thats assuming either Linnie Mae, Bill Randle or Wes had picked Oswald up from the Paines.

Roberst would have never seen or observed Lee in a car with a driver, if he'd made the walk to the Randles as they would have departed for the TSBD driving East - avoiding driving past 2519 West Fifth street.

It is more than possible that Roberts observed Randle and Caster together in a car. But this matter could be settled if Benny Caster could divulge the detail of the when how and where of that trip to Austin.

It would be mildly interesting if we could eliminate Caster as the passenger in Willies car at around the time Oswald was leaving for work that Friday morning.

North: Top

South: Bottom

West: Left

East: Right

Aloha Phil,
Aces on the Berry - Benny interchange. Never trust the FBI or WC is giving he correct spelling,  So what was BENNY up to?

AIRMAN BENNY J. CASTER. son of Martin E. Caster d 214 W. Shady Grove, Irving« Tex., has completed his ini- tail course of Air Farce basic military training here. He has been selected to attend the technical training school for Aircraft Missile Maintenance at Chanute. AFFi 111. Airman Caster attended Irving High School.
Irving Daily News » 1958 » October » 30 Oct 1958, Thu » Page 58
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/48089797/

Two Men Injured In Irving Wrecks Two Irv'ing men were injured in separate accidents, both on Shady Grove Rd., Thursday morning. One was hospitalized in Dallas and the other was treated in Irving and released. Jack Covington, 23,of 1510 Rindle, was in fair condition at Parkland Hospital Thursday afternoon after undergoing surgery. The extent of his injuries were not available. Covington was injured at 12:25 a.m. Thursday when the 1955 Pontiac he was driving crashed into a parked ditching machine on Shady Grove Rd. near Bowman St, According to John W, Looper, Accident Investigator, Covington's car was traveling west when it passed another car and the left wheels left the road. Covington allegedly lost control of the car, and it swerved off the road on each side before striking the machine, owned by E, L, Dalton Construction Co, of Dallas. Damage to his car was said to be $300, \vhlle the machine received $100 damage. Benny Joe Caster, 214 W. Shady Grove Rd., was Injured when the cycle he was riding and a car driven by Eugene Edward Wariner collided at the E. Shady Grove Rd. -Trinity V'iew Intersection. Caster was treated at Gilbert Medical Clinic and released. According to police reports, Caster was going east ^ on Shady Grove, and a Ford I driven by Wariner was preparing to turn left onto Shad>' Grove Rd. when the accident occurred. After the cycle struck the car, It overturned and skidded to a stop on the north shoulder of Shad>' Grove.
The Irving Daily News Texan » 1962 » September » 28 Sep 1962, Fri » Page 1


He was the usher at the Don Carlile wedding of Joan Davis, The Irving Daily News Texan » 1963 » August » 25 Aug 1963, Sun » Page 19
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/51450989/

And groom in '75
Benny J Caster and Alice F Ray were married on October 18, 1975 in Dallas County, Texas.

Any have their set warmed up?

KE5WMJ

Alice F Caster

Grand Prairie, TX

Technician

Individual

Active

KE5WMI

Benny J Caster

Grand Prairie, TX

Technician

Individual

Active

They have their HAM licenses.