REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

Anyone know how tall Shelley was?

about that and a bit, Bob.

Shelly was a lanky dude and about 5 foot 8/9, check out the video clip of him walking BRW and DAG to the cop car.

BRW looks lankier and taller to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBwvehpBlq8

It's Billy Fugging Lovelady and Bill Fugging Shelly

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Barto at December 29, 2015 at 3:40 AM

It's Billy Fugging Lovelady and Bill Fugging Shelly

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Well until recently I did not connect her to Gary Mack at all, even tho I knew Gary's previous name was Larry Dunckel....DUH

Oh and more thing, if you believe the pic of PM is very likely to be Oswald, then I honestly cannot understand why people doubt these two to be Shelly and Lovelady.Since this material is of better quality and the additional documentation ought to tell you plenty.

Barto at December 27, 2015 at 3:12 AM

With Shelly out front because he was a supervisor, yes Paul 100 percent correct, makes total sense.

I also agree with Ed that Shelly is suited in Altgens 6. And the guy in the shirt above Williams is Molina. I think it is their position that gives it away. I don't see the point of Shelly standing that far away from Lovelady in the first place, and Williams and Molina worked together in the accounting dept. so it makes all the more sense for them to stand tgether as well.

Groden made a mistake w this and switched Molina and Shelley.

Note the Carl Edward Jones annotation is wrong by me and is actually Roy Edward Lewis.

If you go to my link at the web post I made http://www.prayer-man.com/billy-nolan-lovelady-and-bill-shelly-did-leave-the-steps-almost-immediately-after-the-shots-were-fired/ ;, there is something I discovered just before I went to sleep, It dawned on me and I could not get to sleep for a while.

Lovelady's FBI statement and Shelly's DPD statement on Nov 22nd both make a mention of them leaving almost immediately and going down there, BUT they also mention they went back after!!! There is absolutely no word on them going to the rail road yard.!!!

So to me it goes as follows: they both buggered off as seen in Couch, but they did not stay out THAT long, since Vicky Adams saw them again at the TSBD.

The time they spent out there cannot have been more than a couple of mins. They just ended up strecthing it to give Vicky's testimony a shafting.

I'm getting more and more confused here.  I'll admit I don't have the time to read everything that has been written on all the forums concerning this but can we get one thing straight?

Are we in agreement that the person wearing black suit and tie in Altgens-6 has a 50/50 chance of being William Shelley or are we saying because the "William Shelley" figure in Couch is wearing what could be a suit jacket that the figure in Altgens-6 is NOT William Shelley?

As far as not believing that it is Lovelady in Couch - - it is because I sincerley believe that the person in the Darnell segment (above) is Billy Lovelady. 

I believe that the man in black suit in Altgens6 is a fake, a made-up figure. This man sort of stands both in front and behind  Doorman. The top of his head is supposed to be in the shadow, however, if you look into this area, there are no contours of his head/hat there. Figures Footnote 9-3 (page 24) and 9-1 in my article (linked below) show what is "real" in the figure of the man in black suit.

https://thejfktruthmatters.files.wordpress.com/2015/12/altgens6_revisited.pdf

Suit in A6 is Shelley and the guy walking down in Couch w Lovelady is Shelley as well.

That is my take on it.

And looking at that gif, my take on that guy (!) on those steps is not Shelley but Ochus Campbell, compare him w the bloke next to Truly in Wiegman and.....it makes sense

A picture tells more than a thousand words. Here is a crop of the Altgens6 picture from Bart's post, only enhanced using the FillLight/Clarity tool in Corel PainshopPro. You can see how badly altered the the black suit man was. No one can live without the top of his head.

Andrej, the  a6 pic was on the wire rather quick. How on earth can anyone fake this in an hr or two tops?

I know the original cannot be found but the wire version is available and is the one where all the (news) prints come from really I fail to see any evidence or capacity of fakery in this.

I can still see a fant outline of Shelley's head, this print and the one you used are from the Mary Ferrell site iin the HSCA section

Bart, I am not an expert in the history of Altgens6, however, I read somewhere that it has taken  much longer than an hour or two to release it. If you look on the shadow below Doorman's the right nostril and Doorman's dark right cheek and temple, you may start wondering how on earth this would be possible if not by a manipulation. Also, Doorman's dark V on his T shirt would be impossible if it would not be a manipulation, it could not be a shadow reaching down to the sharp edge of Doorman's V.

Sorry, Bart, I cannot see any faint contour of the top of the black suit man's head in any of Altgens pictures. The HSCA version has been heavily worked on. One can see this from the black ring surrounding Doorman's and black suit man's heads. By the way, I can see the right hand to the right of Doorman's head. The bottle has been erased, and this is not surprising to me at all- why would the conspirator leave the HSCA experts wonder about a bottle...

If you believe Shelley was 5'8", you have a problem, as Lovelady was 5'8", and "Shelley" is obviously a few inches taller than "Lovelady" in the film.

It's a problem we can live with. You, on the other hand..............

Something to keep in mind about plaid shirts. In looking at photos of people and clothing, it appears that if one was a male in the gainfully employed, hourly wage category (so not wearing a suit), then there was a very good chance of wearing a plaid shirt that day in Texas. Here is a representative example. Note the two guys at center and the collar on the kid in the foreground. It was the fashion fwiw:

Lee Farley at December 29, 2015 at 6:01 AM

Barto at December 27, 2015 at 3:12 AM

With Shelly out front because he was a supervisor, yes Paul 100 percent correct, makes total sense.

I also agree with Ed that Shelly is suited in Altgens 6. And the guy in the shirt above Williams is Molina. I think it is their position that gives it away. I don't see the point of Shelly standing that far away from Lovelady in the first place, and Williams and Molina worked together in the accounting dept. so it makes all the more sense for them to stand tgether as well.

Groden made a mistake w this and switched Molina and Shelley.

Note the Carl Edward Jones annotation is wrong by me and is actually Roy Edward Lewis.

If you go to my link at the web post I made http://www.prayer-man.com/billy-nolan-lovelady-and-bill-shelly-did-leave-the-steps-almost-immediately-after-the-shots-were-fired/ ;, there is something I discovered just before I went to sleep, It dawned on me and I could not get to sleep for a while.

Lovelady's FBI statement and Shelly's DPD statement on Nov 22nd both make a mention of them leaving almost immediately and going down there, BUT they also mention they went back after!!! There is absolutely no word on them going to the rail road yard.!!!

So to me it goes as follows: they both buggered off as seen in Couch, but they did not stay out THAT long, since Vicky Adams saw them again at the TSBD.

The time they spent out there cannot have been more than a couple of mins. They just ended up strecthing it to give Vicky's testimony a shafting.

I'm getting more and more confused here.  I'll admit I don't have the time to read everything that has been written on all the forums concerning this but can we get one thing straight?

Are we in agreement that the person wearing black suit and tie in Altgens-6 has a 50/50 chance of being William Shelley or are we saying because the "William Shelley" figure in Couch is wearing what could be a suit jacket that the figure in Altgens-6 is NOT William Shelley?

As far as not believing that it is Lovelady in Couch - - it is because I sincerley believe that the person in the Darnell segment (above) is Billy Lovelady. 

A curious detail about this GIF is that it looks like his right forearm is vertical, with his right elbow at his side. Then it's like his right forearm drops to horizontal across the front of him (but behind lady in black) and you see his right hand drop onto maybe his left elbow area. This as he simultaneously takes a step backward and up a step. The lady in white appears to give him a little leeway (or at least takes notice of it) as he makes this move while she is quickly climbing the steps. The arm motion could be an illusion, but it appears as though some type of gesturing is happening. Not sure exactly what. Signalling or describing something maybe?

Jake at December 29, 2015 at 2:59 PM

Lee Farley at December 29, 2015 at 6:01 AM

Barto at December 27, 2015 at 3:12 AM

With Shelly out front because he was a supervisor, yes Paul 100 percent correct, makes total sense.

I also agree with Ed that Shelly is suited in Altgens 6. And the guy in the shirt above Williams is Molina. I think it is their position that gives it away. I don't see the point of Shelly standing that far away from Lovelady in the first place, and Williams and Molina worked together in the accounting dept. so it makes all the more sense for them to stand tgether as well.

Groden made a mistake w this and switched Molina and Shelley.

Note the Carl Edward Jones annotation is wrong by me and is actually Roy Edward Lewis.

If you go to my link at the web post I made http://www.prayer-man.com/billy-nolan-lovelady-and-bill-shelly-did-leave-the-steps-almost-immediately-after-the-shots-were-fired/ ;, there is something I discovered just before I went to sleep, It dawned on me and I could not get to sleep for a while.

Lovelady's FBI statement and Shelly's DPD statement on Nov 22nd both make a mention of them leaving almost immediately and going down there, BUT they also mention they went back after!!! There is absolutely no word on them going to the rail road yard.!!!

So to me it goes as follows: they both buggered off as seen in Couch, but they did not stay out THAT long, since Vicky Adams saw them again at the TSBD.

The time they spent out there cannot have been more than a couple of mins. They just ended up strecthing it to give Vicky's testimony a shafting.

I'm getting more and more confused here.  I'll admit I don't have the time to read everything that has been written on all the forums concerning this but can we get one thing straight?

Are we in agreement that the person wearing black suit and tie in Altgens-6 has a 50/50 chance of being William Shelley or are we saying because the "William Shelley" figure in Couch is wearing what could be a suit jacket that the figure in Altgens-6 is NOT William Shelley?

As far as not believing that it is Lovelady in Couch - - it is because I sincerley believe that the person in the Darnell segment (above) is Billy Lovelady. 

A curious detail about this GIF is that it looks like his right forearm is vertical, with his right elbow at his side. Then it's like his right forearm drops to horizontal across the front of him (but behind lady in black) and you see his right hand drop onto maybe his left elbow area. This as he simultaneously takes a step backward and up a step. The lady in white appears to give him a little leeway (or at least takes notice of it) as he makes this move while she is quickly climbing the steps. The arm motion could be an illusion, but it appears as though some type of gesturing is happening. Not sure exactly what. Signalling or describing something maybe?

So, Jake, are you stating your belief that the person in the Darnell frames is facing forward?