REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

Tom Graves at January 15, 2016 at 10:44 PM

Mick Purdy at April 3, 2015 at 4:44 AM

Lee Farley at April 3, 2015 at 4:38 AM

I have mulled over the question of Billy Lovelady's whereabouts after the immediate aftermath of the shooting for a long time now.

I never bought into the Gerda Dunckel work that was said to show Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady walking toward the parking lot area approximately 20+ seconds after the shots.  

Now I categorically dismiss this work.  I do not believe that Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady left those steps and went out onto Elm Street or anywhere near the parking lot.  I have been looking at the Weigman film for days now and I am absolutely convinced that this person is Billy Lovelady in the frame on the left.  Frame on the right is Lovelady from Darnell:

  

Bald head, dark shirt, white t-shirt underneath, looks like he may be smoking as hand is up to his mouth.  This, IMO, is Billy Nolan Lovelady.  His original affidavit as it appears in my OP above was correct when he wrote that after the shooting he "went back into the building and went to work" and he did not go outside with Bill Shelley.

Not only did he stay on the steps but he was stood directly in front of Prayer Man and Buell Wesley Frazier and would have seen the approach of Officer Marrion Baker.  If this is Billy Lovelady in Weigman, and I now have no doubts that it is, then I believe it possible that the figure stood to Buell Wesley Frazier's left on the landing is Bill Shelley.  It was Shelley who "vouched" for Oswald on those steps when Baker got to those doors.  Truly was too far behind and he certainly did not reach the doors at the same time as Baker.

Shelley was Oswald's "Supervisor" and therefore it makes sense that the designated "patsy" was being shepherded by his "Supervisor" that day.  Shelley was watching Oswald's every move, IMO.  Shelley made sure that Oswald was pushed into the shadows of those steps away from view.  It was Shelley who sent Oswald home.  Shelley and Truly were the one's who put the spotlight on Oswald as soon as they were certain he had left.

I'm beginning to think, seriously, that Frazier left with Oswald.  I don't believe Frazier stayed after the assassination.  If he had, he'd have been rounded up with the others and taken to be interviewed.

Finally Finally.................Lee you are a super star,

Oswald left with Frazier, I have no doubt any longer......continuation of where's your rider but you've beat me to it.

And YES!!! Shelley on the landing to the left of Frazier..

its all becoming so so clear.

Thank -you for this post.....

Where is the Darnell frame which shows Lovelady?  All I can see is the Weigman frame with him. 

Thanks,

--Tommy  

There is a Wiki link to the Reid Interrogation Technique in the same thread you're asking in, Dickhead.                             

steely dan at January 16, 2016 at 5:13 PM

Tom Graves at January 15, 2016 at 10:44 PM

Mick Purdy at April 3, 2015 at 4:44 AM

Lee Farley at April 3, 2015 at 4:38 AM

I have mulled over the question of Billy Lovelady's whereabouts after the immediate aftermath of the shooting for a long time now.

I never bought into the Gerda Dunckel work that was said to show Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady walking toward the parking lot area approximately 20+ seconds after the shots.  

Now I categorically dismiss this work.  I do not believe that Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady left those steps and went out onto Elm Street or anywhere near the parking lot.  I have been looking at the Weigman film for days now and I am absolutely convinced that this person is Billy Lovelady in the frame on the left.  Frame on the right is Lovelady from Darnell:

  

Bald head, dark shirt, white t-shirt underneath, looks like he may be smoking as hand is up to his mouth.  This, IMO, is Billy Nolan Lovelady.  His original affidavit as it appears in my OP above was correct when he wrote that after the shooting he "went back into the building and went to work" and he did not go outside with Bill Shelley.

Not only did he stay on the steps but he was stood directly in front of Prayer Man and Buell Wesley Frazier and would have seen the approach of Officer Marrion Baker.  If this is Billy Lovelady in Weigman, and I now have no doubts that it is, then I believe it possible that the figure stood to Buell Wesley Frazier's left on the landing is Bill Shelley.  It was Shelley who "vouched" for Oswald on those steps when Baker got to those doors.  Truly was too far behind and he certainly did not reach the doors at the same time as Baker.

Shelley was Oswald's "Supervisor" and therefore it makes sense that the designated "patsy" was being shepherded by his "Supervisor" that day.  Shelley was watching Oswald's every move, IMO.  Shelley made sure that Oswald was pushed into the shadows of those steps away from view.  It was Shelley who sent Oswald home.  Shelley and Truly were the one's who put the spotlight on Oswald as soon as they were certain he had left.

I'm beginning to think, seriously, that Frazier left with Oswald.  I don't believe Frazier stayed after the assassination.  If he had, he'd have been rounded up with the others and taken to be interviewed.

Finally Finally.................Lee you are a super star,

Oswald left with Frazier, I have no doubt any longer......continuation of where's your rider but you've beat me to it.

And YES!!! Shelley on the landing to the left of Frazier..

its all becoming so so clear.

Thank -you for this post.....

Where is the Darnell frame which shows Lovelady?  All I can see is the Weigman frame with him. 

Thanks,

--Tommy  

There is a Wiki link to the Reid Interrogation Technique in the same thread you're asking in, Dickhead.                             

Bumped for Tommy

LOL

steely dan at January 16, 2016 at 9:47 PM

steely dan at January 16, 2016 at 5:13 PM

Tom Graves at January 15, 2016 at 10:44 PM

Mick Purdy at April 3, 2015 at 4:44 AM

Lee Farley at April 3, 2015 at 4:38 AM

I have mulled over the question of Billy Lovelady's whereabouts after the immediate aftermath of the shooting for a long time now.

I never bought into the Gerda Dunckel work that was said to show Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady walking toward the parking lot area approximately 20+ seconds after the shots.  

Now I categorically dismiss this work.  I do not believe that Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady left those steps and went out onto Elm Street or anywhere near the parking lot.  I have been looking at the Weigman film for days now and I am absolutely convinced that this person is Billy Lovelady in the frame on the left.  Frame on the right is Lovelady from Darnell:

  

Bald head, dark shirt, white t-shirt underneath, looks like he may be smoking as hand is up to his mouth.  This, IMO, is Billy Nolan Lovelady.  His original affidavit as it appears in my OP above was correct when he wrote that after the shooting he "went back into the building and went to work" and he did not go outside with Bill Shelley.

Not only did he stay on the steps but he was stood directly in front of Prayer Man and Buell Wesley Frazier and would have seen the approach of Officer Marrion Baker.  If this is Billy Lovelady in Weigman, and I now have no doubts that it is, then I believe it possible that the figure stood to Buell Wesley Frazier's left on the landing is Bill Shelley.  It was Shelley who "vouched" for Oswald on those steps when Baker got to those doors.  Truly was too far behind and he certainly did not reach the doors at the same time as Baker.

Shelley was Oswald's "Supervisor" and therefore it makes sense that the designated "patsy" was being shepherded by his "Supervisor" that day.  Shelley was watching Oswald's every move, IMO.  Shelley made sure that Oswald was pushed into the shadows of those steps away from view.  It was Shelley who sent Oswald home.  Shelley and Truly were the one's who put the spotlight on Oswald as soon as they were certain he had left.

I'm beginning to think, seriously, that Frazier left with Oswald.  I don't believe Frazier stayed after the assassination.  If he had, he'd have been rounded up with the others and taken to be interviewed.

Finally Finally.................Lee you are a super star,

Oswald left with Frazier, I have no doubt any longer......continuation of where's your rider but you've beat me to it.

And YES!!! Shelley on the landing to the left of Frazier..

its all becoming so so clear.

Thank -you for this post.....

Where is the Darnell frame which shows Lovelady?  All I can see is the Weigman frame with him. 

Thanks,

--Tommy  

There is a Wiki link to the Reid Interrogation Technique in the same thread you're asking in, Dickhead.                             

Bumped for Tommy

LOL

--Tommy  

Tom Graves, If you can't find it here, it's for sure in the "Oswald Leaving TSBD?" on EF. Also Stan Dane's book. Bart's prayer-man site also. I believe it is a Wiegman frame and there is not doubt. Lovelady is in the Altgen's 6 position and PM's faint outline is visible. Take it on faith. They are both in the same frame or this theory would have been dead long ago.

Jake, this is Graves so you will need to set up a Skype link and describe it to the lazy bastard. He will then edit and bump his inane reply

LOL

Tom Graves at January 17, 2016 at 5:03 PM

steely dan at January 16, 2016 at 9:47 PM

steely dan at January 16, 2016 at 5:13 PM

Tom Graves at January 15, 2016 at 10:44 PM

Mick Purdy at April 3, 2015 at 4:44 AM

Lee Farley at April 3, 2015 at 4:38 AM

I have mulled over the question of Billy Lovelady's whereabouts after the immediate aftermath of the shooting for a long time now.

I never bought into the Gerda Dunckel work that was said to show Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady walking toward the parking lot area approximately 20+ seconds after the shots.  

Now I categorically dismiss this work.  I do not believe that Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady left those steps and went out onto Elm Street or anywhere near the parking lot.  I have been looking at the Weigman film for days now and I am absolutely convinced that this person is Billy Lovelady in the frame on the left.  Frame on the right is Lovelady from Darnell:

  

Bald head, dark shirt, white t-shirt underneath, looks like he may be smoking as hand is up to his mouth.  This, IMO, is Billy Nolan Lovelady.  His original affidavit as it appears in my OP above was correct when he wrote that after the shooting he "went back into the building and went to work" and he did not go outside with Bill Shelley.

Not only did he stay on the steps but he was stood directly in front of Prayer Man and Buell Wesley Frazier and would have seen the approach of Officer Marrion Baker.  If this is Billy Lovelady in Weigman, and I now have no doubts that it is, then I believe it possible that the figure stood to Buell Wesley Frazier's left on the landing is Bill Shelley.  It was Shelley who "vouched" for Oswald on those steps when Baker got to those doors.  Truly was too far behind and he certainly did not reach the doors at the same time as Baker.

Shelley was Oswald's "Supervisor" and therefore it makes sense that the designated "patsy" was being shepherded by his "Supervisor" that day.  Shelley was watching Oswald's every move, IMO.  Shelley made sure that Oswald was pushed into the shadows of those steps away from view.  It was Shelley who sent Oswald home.  Shelley and Truly were the one's who put the spotlight on Oswald as soon as they were certain he had left.

I'm beginning to think, seriously, that Frazier left with Oswald.  I don't believe Frazier stayed after the assassination.  If he had, he'd have been rounded up with the others and taken to be interviewed.

Finally Finally.................Lee you are a super star,

Oswald left with Frazier, I have no doubt any longer......continuation of where's your rider but you've beat me to it.

And YES!!! Shelley on the landing to the left of Frazier..

its all becoming so so clear.

Thank -you for this post.....

Where is the Darnell frame which shows Lovelady?  All I can see is the Weigman frame with him. 

Thanks,

--Tommy  

There is a Wiki link to the Reid Interrogation Technique in the same thread you're asking in, Dickhead.                             

Bumped for Tommy

LOL

Thank you very much for referring me to the Wiki link.

I promise that I shall read it soon.  Always happy to learn something new, especially about interrogation techniques.

But what about Lovelady (on the steps?) in Darnell?

That is what I was asking about here a couple of days ago.  

Did Lee Farley change his mind about that and remove the image in question?

Or did it disappear due to some technical "glitch"?

Thanks,

--Tommy  

 

I was reading in the city of Dallas JFK papers, did see that Shelley gave 2 affidavits, there is no info about when this has been typed so  i do not know if this could have any relevance to this thread ?

http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/16/1677-007.gif

I have made some add-ons and revised some text on my blogpost

http://www.prayer-man.com/billy-nolan-lovelady-and-bill-shelly-did-leave-the-steps-almost-immediately-after-the-shots-were-fired/

In  the HSCA interview posted in this week's LoneGunMan Podcast #105 Rob Clark posted, Billy Lovelady states it took 20/25 mins before he went back to the TSBD

At 62:40 he is asked the question.

http://www.tlgpodcast.com/shows/ep-105-the-ghost-of-billy-lovelady

We should take that HSCA testimony with a huge grain of salt since Lovelady is seen in the Hughes and Martin films standing on the steps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vIbHH8CYMk

Along with Danny Garcia and Bonnie Ray Williams.