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Lee Farley
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I've always had deep concerns about this film.  There is not one discernible human shape in the doorway.  Not one.  It has always been something like a Jackson Pollock painting as the camera moves with the limousine.  

April 1, 2015 at 1:46 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Lee Farley
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Terry Martin at April 1, 2015 at 1:40 PM

Yes, I can see that someone has given her a face job and traces of the splice can be seen above.

 

I was not sure if that was an artifact of the film and/or processing but it certainly looks like someone has attempted darkening the vestibule area as well. But, then, that could just be my eyes.

 

If someone's cut off Jackie's nose to spite their own face, then there's mischief afoot. And I don't think it can be blamed on "motion blur".

Tha actual splice, where is it generally accepted that there are frames missing, is prior to this in the film.  There should be no splice on this frame.

April 1, 2015 at 1:49 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Terry Martin
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I looked closer at that portion of the frame and it still looks like someone has overlayed a deeper shadow that originally existed.

 

Still, however, I can plainly make out the images of PM, Frazier and a guy with a tie next to him.

 

I wonder if some further details might be pulled up anyway?

April 1, 2015 at 1:50 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Lee Farley
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I believe there is a shadow overlay on top of the area of the door too, Terry.  




April 1, 2015 at 2:01 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Lee Farley
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Why all the background blur in the second frame I posted above but with  fairly sharp limousine and occupants?

April 1, 2015 at 2:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Beowulf
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Look at Jackie's face

Well that picture slightly advances the theory that Jackie is a Reptilian.8)

Here's a lower res scan of same picture. Jackie actually looks human, if anything background looks less blurry.

http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/images/news/FIG06_120408.jpg

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April 1, 2015 at 2:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Terry Martin
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Nice, Beowulf.

 

Lee,

 

On the lower of the two frames, the "overlay" seems a bit wider and even covers the interior pillars framing the vestibule. The top fram shows the pillars without the "shading".

April 1, 2015 at 2:22 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Terry Martin
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Also on the lower frame, the fire escape is doubled.

April 1, 2015 at 2:23 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Lee Farley
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A lower resolution copy of the doorway in Towner:




BTW:  The frame with the effect that looks like a double exposed background (motion blurred) is not included on any of the lower resolution versions available online.

April 1, 2015 at 2:49 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Barto
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They used sharpening in PS

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April 1, 2015 at 3:35 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Richard Hocking
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Concerning the image of the TSBD Entrance:

 

The Sun was shining while Towner was filming.  The angle of the sun was 187° West of North (or 7° West of South if you prefer.)  As was obvious in the Darnell and Wiegman films, most of the entrance was in direct sunlight, while the NW area of the entrance (where PM was standing) was in shade.  There should be a perceptible difference in the lit and shaded areas of the entrance.  There is none in the frames shown above.

Even with motion blur, the  detailed ornamental concrete blocks next to the entrance are easily discernible. The figures on the steps are the same distance from the lens as the concrete blocks.  We know they are there but we cannot see even blurry images of them.

Someone mentioned blacking out  the entrance  ... gee, why would anyone do that?

April 1, 2015 at 3:58 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Barto
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I meant a sharepning tool inside a mov ed. proggie to put the focus more on the Limo, and yeah they did cosmetics to Jackie as well, are the credits at the end of the disc divulging anything Lee?

But yeah that background looks messed up, then again the original youtube version the people inside the doorway are barely recogniseable as well.

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April 1, 2015 at 5:33 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Terry Martin
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I think it has been an amazing turn of events over the past few weeks. Since several members here went to EdForum to bring the PM thread back into focus, there are now very active threads on both EdForum AND Stinky's trying different angles on the issue and finding more support for getting the film digitally upgraded.


Its amazing, since this thread was started to try and regain focus on PM, how well it is working across several forums. One almost becomes hopeful that some positive good may soon come to fruition.


After fifty years! So many researchers contributing evidence in a widespread cooperative effort, is more than I could have conceived of. For the first time in years I begin to feel that we may get this thing done in my lifetime.


Kudos to everyone involved.

April 1, 2015 at 6:32 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Greg
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We are the fuckin barnacle you can't scrape off. We are covering that fuckin hole in the hull and we will get this fuckin ship to port.

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April 1, 2015 at 7:34 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Terry Martin
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There was an interesting bit posted by Tony Fratini on the "Prayer Man Solved!" thread (http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,12177.48.html).


It reminded me of Lee's thinking PM was holding a camera.


He also posted a trio of shots:



It certainly does look like he's raised a camera, doesn't it? Or is it something else?

April 1, 2015 at 9:57 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Colin Crow
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Am I correct in thinking if PM is totally in shadow that bright spot has to be a light source? How can it be so relective if there is no sunlight to reflect?

April 1, 2015 at 11:32 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Stan Dane
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I believe PM is totally in the shadows. However, I don't necessarily believe the bright spot has to be a light source. For it to standout, it doesn't have to be reflecting direct sunlight. It reflects the surrounding, diffused ambient light from outside.

 

If PM or anybody standing there was holding a small mirror aimed out toward you on the street, you would see the light outside reflected back toward where you were (Wiegman with camera, in this case).

 

For example, the front entryway of my home faces south. The front door is recessed back about 10-12 feet and is deep in the shadows. There's a small window on the front door that's primarily shiny translucent glass. When viewing the entryway from the street, that window always stands out from the shadowy surroundings. It's simply reflecting indirect, diffused light coming in from the street.

 

I think this is what's happening in the PM pictures. Indirect light makes its way into the tunnel-like entryway, and certain objects, such as glass bottles, camera lenses, flash attachments, or watches reflect it back more easily, making those objects stand out and appear lighter. Or if conditions are exactly right, even a light source.

 

April 2, 2015 at 12:01 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Barto
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question: did Oswald wear a watch on his right wrist??

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April 2, 2015 at 1:27 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Greg
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Bracelet - but can't remember off the top which wrist he wore it on.

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In an expanding universe, time is on the side of the outcast. Those who once

inhabited the suburbs of human contempt find that without changing their

address they eventually live in the metropolis. Quentin Crisp


http://gregparke4.wix.com/gregrparker


They put Johnny and Bobby in the ground 

Then the place was run by shucks and clowns

Motherfuckers are still thick on the ground 

Coz there’s a new God – There’s a new God in town.

Steve Schwartz & the Strap-Ons


April 2, 2015 at 1:34 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Lee Farley
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Oswald was wearing the bracelet on his left wrist when he was arrested.

April 2, 2015 at 1:46 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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