REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

I vote the Prayer Person is a male employee of the TSBD called Lee. Lets see how Stinky's poll tallys with ours.

BTW, it's nice to have the option to vote. On some forums, the mere mention of PM is stictly forbidden.....something new members here should reflect on.

Yes. I would imagine even starting a thread called "Ignoring Prayer Man While Stuck in a Fifty-Year Old Box" would get you banned anywhere else.

What's with that image at Stink's? No wonder they're having such a hard time with it, it's been fucked up by somebody so the neck and face are smeared together. If anyone's having trouble they should check out the images here and elsewhere. It is he himself.

steely dan at July 19, 2015 at 8:24 PM

BTW, it's nice to have the option to vote. On some forums, the mere mention of PM is stictly forbidden.....something new members here should reflect on.

The voting would be okay if the question was Does Oswald look like PM? Yes or No. Stinky has put up a poor close up scan as "photographic evidence" and ignored Oswald altogether. He rigs it that way so it doesn't become about Oswald even though PM is all about Oswald. A cheap trick from a cheap piece of shit.

At least at this forum we try and get a better image on display (and we have on several instances) and get some debate going, over there you just have a handfull of trolling maggots whose sole purpose is to disrupt progress.

They will soon enough realise they have been barking up the wrong tree, which wouldn't be a first...........

The ignorance continues.

Other forums take polls to figure out if its a man or a woman - whether wearing a kilt or not - whther two inches shorter than Ozzie was - or whatever. In other words, they are too busy arguing over data-bytes to bother with groundbreaking research.

Meanwhile, here we allow people to bring their new ideas, whether it is the bus tickets, the ride to work, or whatever else, and discuss not only the evidence being offered but HOW IT CHANGES the case.

That's the part no one outside here can seem to wrap their mind around: the case IS changed. DVP argues the same carp he's argued for fifty years as though there has been NO RESEARCH done on the case. Why does anyone engage that little trained monkey????

So, now we have even more on the PM. We have gone beyond rolled-up sleeves and far beyond the identification of the person, we are now in the 2nd (or 3rd) level of study- what he was holding and doing on that top step.

And the case just keeps changing and changing...  And now it's looking as bad for Robert Oswald (who always claimed his brother was guilty - scuz ball) as it is for BWF.

Take notes people visiting. Cases DO change when new evidence comes around. Ignore the fifty year old defenses. They are groundless!

Another thing (and with me there's always another thing, it seems)...

It must be the atmosphere at this forum that allows people who are not die-hard researchers to prevent their new ideas and theories without getting hammered. There is safety here.

That's probably why Mick Purdy, Ed Ledoux, Linda Z, myself and Stan Dane wound up here, among others.

Hat's off to Parker for creating a safe place for the wicked oddballs to hang out.

To me it was the swearing and cursing that drew me here 

Well said Terry, couldn't have said it better myself.

I have looked on Captain Fritz testimony and his notes once more. In my opinion, Captain Fritz actually knew about Oswald having a lunch in the doorway during the shooting, and he even tried to communicate this to the Warren Commision, although he was not persistent enough.

I have put some ideas to my blog:  http://astancakblog.blogspot.co.uk/ , however, here are two main points leading me to this interpretation:

1. The relevant part of Captain Fritz notes traditionally read as "out with Bill Shelley in front".  However, a more natural and logical woold be to read them as follows: "had lunch out" and "with Bill Shelley in front". That would be the Prayer Man - standing in the doorway and drinking&eating.

2. Captain Fritz, in accord with his notes, testified for the Warren Commission what Oswald told him about his whereabouts during the shooting: 1) Oswald was having lunch, 2) he was at a place where some (more than 1 or 2) employees were also present, 3) he saw all the excitement. Oswald could not see the excitement while staing in the 2nd floor, no signal there. There were no other employees in the 2nd room lunchroom during shooting as pretty everybody was out or hanging in south windows. The three points contained in Captain Fritz statements are met by somebody having a lunch in the doorway during the shooting - and that was the Prayer Man.

I am not sure If this observation already popped up in a previous comment of someone else, whch goes on the account of not having enough time to familiarise myself with all the good work of fellow researchers.

Linda Z: There's a lot of discussion on cameras in this thread. On page 14, I'm holding my old Kodak Duaflex III which is similar to Oswald's and I can vouch - just checked this - I can vouch for the fact that when the view cover is raised, the top lens is like a flashlight when facing it!!!!!

PS: Loved your meme in your thread! You and Barto are going to put me out of business!

If those 'others' want us to shut up then why not present a better image, that would cinque their case against us or against themselves of course, but they can't and they won't. They will cough up Gary Mack type excuses of copyright/licensing/access etc etc.

Stan, NFW you iz da KING! m8ey

Hi Beowulf,  would you please point me to Sean's article on Bookhout's notes. I would add a revision to my blog article, both for the sake of information accuracy and also to give credit to Sean and this Forum.

Andrej,

The Bookhout-Hosty notes information, as put together by Sean, is contained in the Oswald Leaving the TSBD thread, started by Bill Kelly, at The Education Forum.  I couldn't tell you what page it is on but from memory it was quite early in the discussion that this was raised.  I'd say the first 20-30 pages of threads.

I wish I could search for it for you but it's not really convenient for me right now.

Stan Dane at July 22, 2015 at 8:14 PM

Linda Z: There's a lot of discussion on cameras in this thread. On page 14, I'm holding my old Kodak Duaflex III which is similar to Oswald's and I can vouch - just checked this - I can vouch for the fact that when the view cover is raised, the top lens is like a flashlight when facing it!!!!!

 

PS: Loved your meme in your thread! You and Barto are going to put me out of business!

 

The Warren Commissions blood in the water is what draws them in.
Lets have some shark fin soup!

Here is some of the discussion on it here

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20354&page=40#entry277501

Thanks, guys, for all the useful hints. I will go through the pages you recommended carefully. I am new to the JFK research community, and am grateful for showing me where's the information. I feel a bit uneasy for taking more than giving, however, I hope to finalise some lines of my research by end of summer (I start working on them last December), and can assure you that this forum will be the first to learn.

Andrej Stancak at July 28, 2015 at 7:39 AM

Thanks, guys, for all the useful hints. I will go through the pages you recommended carefully. I am new to the JFK research community, and am grateful for showing me where's the information. I feel a bit uneasy for taking more than giving, however, I hope to finalise some lines of my research by end of summer (I start working on them last December), and can assure you that this forum will be the first to learn.

That you. That's appreciated. Looking forward to seeing it.