REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

The question did Marrion Baker actually enter the TSBD through the front entrance has come up before at the ED Forum. You can see him dashing toward the entrance in the Darnell footage, but Darnell pans away just as Baker is near the steps. I think it is something you can infer, but the bottom line is there's no photographic evidence to back it up.

BF Bob thinks Baker is going to run past the steps. Tommy Graves thought he saw an image that shows Baker's foot on the steps, but ultimately could only produce a Darnell gif that suggests this.

I enlarged three consecutive Darnell images and highlighted them. I agree with Bob here: Baker is away from the steps in these shots. You can't prove Baker enters the front entrance solely by looking at the Darnell film. I think Baker did enter the front entrance but I can't prove it. Tommy asks "Why don't you want Baker to run up the steps?" It's not that we want Baker to do anything. It's a question of what the evidence shows.

A possibility that came mind as I watched this: maybe upon hearing the shots from the very vicinity he's in and seeing the commotion, Baker instinctively stops, dismounts, and seeing another officer or officers by the Elm and Houston street corner area, he runs toward them to see what they might have seen or heard so as to better respond, all the time making instant decisions on the fly. I guess I could see him running past the TSBD entrance – if in fact he did – because he saw one of his brethren and maybe wanted to team up or exchange words.

Then after quickly touching base with them and exchanging shoulder shrugs, he decides to enter the TSBD front entrance and encounters Oswald and Truly in the front vestibule area.

Just wild, raw speculation here.

My take

he is going up the stairs to his right since there are not as much people standing there

You're probably right, Barto. I set out to try to show Baker headed into the entrance but I couldn't. He most likely did though. I think.

A cut to the right of the center rail, up the steps, then behind the transfixed Frazier at the top of the center rail (shocked that the bullets were real?). Perhaps Oswald yanks the door open to make eye contact and establish his presence to the cop (he's smart and he knows he's in deep). Truly hops up the steps to intercede on Baker's inquiry to Oswald regarding the stairway location. Oswald mills around the steps and vestibule waiting for his ride. Just guessing of course.

I might have this all wrong but doesn't Truly ? wave him in ...on one of the clips , have I seen that? You're right though Stan there's no conclusive photographic evidence of him entering. I've always Just assumed....

What is the bet that if we had more of the film it would show Baker stopping and talking to PM with Truly in tow? That's the real meeting that got moved up to the 2nd floor after they shot Oswald. Frazier doesn't remember it because he now has a spotless mind about all things Oswald.

Its just a speculative bet.

Paul Francisco Paso at June 29, 2015 at 10:41 PM

What is the bet that if we had more of the film it would show Baker stopping and talking to PM with Truly in tow? That's the real meeting that got moved up to the 2nd floor after they shot Oswald. Frazier doesn't remember it because he now has a spotless mind about all things Oswald.

Its just a speculative bet.

Welcome back, Athos!

I am back. Back in the PM groove!

I am not sure why the film stops where it does and we don't actually see Baker run up the stairs but the fact that Frazier can't fucking remember Baker doing it, imo, says a lot. It might be the alibi Oswald gave to the DPD which they had to shut down. Lets not  beat around the bush. PM is Oswald. That is why no one remembers PM being on the stairs.

Stan Dane at June 30, 2015 at 12:13 AM

Welcome back, Athos!

 

 

Thanks Stan. I hope everyone has been keeping well. The PM stuff you have been posting brought me back. Fucking awesome!. Take a bow.

Paul Francisco Paso at June 30, 2015 at 1:47 AM

I am back. Back in the PM groove!

I am not sure why the film stops where it does and we don't actually see Baker run up the stairs but the fact that Frazier can't fucking remember Baker doing it, imo, says a lot. It might be the alibi Oswald gave to the DPD which they had to shut down. Lets not  beat around the bush. PM is Oswald. That is why no one remembers PM being on the stairs.

Excellent point. I overlooked that possibility. Yes, we have a guy who remembers all kinds of trivial details that morning and day, yet he can't remember who he was looking at on the steps when the shit got real. Which is telling. Equally telling, as you point out, is the fact that BWF can't remember Baker barreling up the steps to run into Oswald right there.

You nailed it – that's why nobody remembers seeing PM because he is Oswald.

Paul Francisco Paso at June 30, 2015 at 1:47 AM

I am back. Back in the PM groove!

I am not sure why the film stops where it does and we don't actually see Baker run up the stairs but the fact that Frazier can't fucking remember Baker doing it, imo, says a lot. It might be the alibi Oswald gave to the DPD which they had to shut down. Lets not  beat around the bush. PM is Oswald. That is why no one remembers PM being on the stairs.

Thank the f'ing lord. Frazier is the key...he doesn't remember anything. Not Baker (and he should) and Oswald (or the stranger LOL)...Nobody remembers Oswald.. Frazier has to remember who he was next to on that most important day and time, he has to have...he can't even remember the stranger....for God's sake some one ask Frazier who is standing next to him as the shots were fired.....

Paul Francisco Paso at June 30, 2015 at 1:47 AM

I am back. Back in the PM groove!

I am not sure why the film stops where it does and we don't actually see Baker run up the stairs but the fact that Frazier can't fucking remember Baker doing it, imo, says a lot. It might be the alibi Oswald gave to the DPD which they had to shut down. Lets not  beat around the bush. PM is Oswald. That is why no one remembers PM being on the stairs.

Welcome back, Paul!

Good to see you back, Paul. I think we should consider the strong possibility (in Pat Speer's mind) that PM is indeed a woman.......a woman with a crew cut and wearing a shirt with the sleeves rolled up, much like all the other women we see in the clips!

Hasan Yusuf at June 30, 2015 at 5:10 AM

Paul Francisco Paso at June 30, 2015 at 1:47 AM

I am back. Back in the PM groove!

I am not sure why the film stops where it does and we don't actually see Baker run up the stairs but the fact that Frazier can't fucking remember Baker doing it, imo, says a lot. It might be the alibi Oswald gave to the DPD which they had to shut down. Lets not  beat around the bush. PM is Oswald. That is why no one remembers PM being on the stairs.

Welcome back, Paul!

steely dan at June 30, 2015 at 7:40 AM

Good to see you back, Paul. I think we should consider the strong possibility (in Pat Speer's mind) that PM is indeed a woman.......a woman with a crew cut and wearing a shirt with the sleeves rolled up, much like all the other women we see in the clips!

Hi Paul,

"he commented that PM looked like Oswald"

It occurs to me that in bringing your son's clear observation with you upon your celebrated return, this website may justifiably mark the achievement of the goal of its namesake, or has indeed established the basis for it. It's for others to concurr, but for what it's worth, that is how I'm seeing it.

Sally forth ye Muskateers! Hip hip, hooray!

Paul Francisco Paso at June 30, 2015 at 8:03 AM

Hasan Yusuf at June 30, 2015 at 5:10 AM

Paul Francisco Paso at June 30, 2015 at 1:47 AM

I am back. Back in the PM groove!

I am not sure why the film stops where it does and we don't actually see Baker run up the stairs but the fact that Frazier can't fucking remember Baker doing it, imo, says a lot. It might be the alibi Oswald gave to the DPD which they had to shut down. Lets not  beat around the bush. PM is Oswald. That is why no one remembers PM being on the stairs.

Welcome back, Paul!

Thanks Hasan. I decided to come back after reading some of the stuff Stan and Barto and others put up regarding PM. I'll share a little story that happened to me. My son is 13 years old. He knows who Oswald and JFK is and what they look like and what supposedly happened but nothing more. He isnt really that interested in anything other than football. One day I had one of Stans PM enhancements up on my computer screen while he was peering over my shoulder. Immediately and without any prompting from me he commented that PM looked like Oswald. I didn't ask for his opinion. He just blurted it out. I thought fucking hell! We must be onto something. That's how I know LNs and fuckwits like cube head and co are full of shit. The PM image passes the litmus test even if it is blurry. PM looks like Oswald probably because he is Oswald. That isn't such a stretch for me anymore like it is for some. I am hoping a clearer image will emerge so we can all take a break from this case.

Welcome back, Paul!!

I had the sqame sort of encounter with my wife who has "put up with me" doing all this in depth JFK research for three years for my books but she has no interest at all on the case.

Once I was reviewing the PM thread at EF and a blowup of the front steps was on my screen she passed by and commented, "Well, it looks like they've got a picture of Lee Harvey on the steps. Game over, right?"

If people without preconceptions or biases can see it so easily, it really is Game Over!

Stan Dane at June 29, 2015 at 1:10 PM

The question did Marrion Baker actually enter the TSBD through the front entrance has come up before at the ED Forum. You can see him dashing toward the entrance in the Darnell footage, but Darnell pans away just as Baker is near the steps. I think it is something you can infer, but the bottom line is there's no photographic evidence to back it up.

 

BF Bob thinks Baker is going to run past the steps. Tommy Graves thought he saw an image that shows Baker's foot on the steps, but ultimately could only produce a Darnell gif that suggests this.

 

I enlarged three consecutive Darnell images and highlighted them. I agree with Bob here: Baker is away from the steps in these shots. You can't prove Baker enters the front entrance solely by looking at the Darnell film. I think Baker did enter the front entrance but I can't prove it. Tommy asks "Why don't you want Baker to run up the steps?" It's not that we want Baker to do anything. It's a question of what the evidence shows.

 

A possibility that came mind as I watched this: maybe upon hearing the shots from the very vicinity he's in and seeing the commotion, Baker instinctively stops, dismounts, and seeing another officer or officers by the Elm and Houston street corner area, he runs toward them to see what they might have seen or heard so as to better respond, all the time making instant decisions on the fly. I guess I could see him running past the TSBD entrance – if in fact he did – because he saw one of his brethren and maybe wanted to team up or exchange words.

 

Then after quickly touching base with them and exchanging shoulder shrugs, he decides to enter the TSBD front entrance and encounters Oswald and Truly in the front vestibule area.

 

Just wild, raw speculation here.

 

I've looked at this wondering why what appears to be Baker's leg looks like he's ascending the steps then it dawned on me - he's stepping up the kerb onto the sidewalk that runs in front of the TSBD???...