REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

Its almost laughable to think that there were no other witnesses found by the DPD, FBI, or any other authority who had observed Lee Oswald's Friday morning walk to the Randle residence from the Paine house and then the long walk through the parking lot to the rear loading dock door of the TSBD.

They would've searched for sure, - or maybe not. Wouldn't  have wanted anybody coming forward who saw Oswald alone and without a large package now would they.

Nope there wouldn't have been too much searching for witnesses to Oswalds morning stroll that's near certain.

Thank goodness they found Linnie and Buell.

there are no witnesses, simply because nobody would give LHO an alibi, no way in hell the person who could have seen Oswald would have come forward and testify to that and risk being taking in for a serius interview and liedetector test and what ever DPD would throw at you.

I have read tousinds of testimony and nobody is answering one single question yes or no, its every fucking question that is being answered is to the best of my recollection leaving it open to interpetation and not risking saying something wrong, remeber Arnold Rowland that I have a little suspicion of having Aspergers he is the only witness that was being interrogated 7 times and was saying the same every time even remembering which windows were open in the TSBD he was interrogated to hell and back again because he said that he remembered seeing two men in the window 15 minutes orior to the shooting, and even was it Sawyer that was talking to Amos Euins and the most prominent witness, he could not remember what they looked like, come on, a 14 year old small black boy and a constuction worker wearing a silverhelmet, maybe he remember it as a white hood ?

Also I am shure that the majority of police officers including FBI and others believed that Oswald was the shooter and were not letting some small detail letting him off the hook, nobody cared who shot the POTUS they had one very suspicius man in custody and that was fine, even better if he could commit suecide before a trial, then in walks Jack Ruby and gets rid of that problem and then it is case closed until ROKC and Sean Murphy revived the case with Prayer Man 

I think its been shown that people had their statements altered. 

And yes Faroe, anybody who didn't tow the line was put through the washer. We know this to be true.

And you can back it in that there were people who saw Oswald that morning, but were ignored by the authorities.

Hell, just look at Ed's Dallas Ticket Transfer thread, how many people did they pull from their butts in the fix against Oswald. Talk about rent a mob.

Makes me even more suspicious of Randle and Frazier. They were certainly given the going over, until early saturday morning.

Why?

Mick Purdy at April 3, 2016 at 9:30 PM

I think its been shown that people had their statements altered. 

And yes Faroe, anybody who didn't tow the line was put through the washer. We know this to be true.

And you can back it in that there were people who saw Oswald that morning, but were ignored by the authorities.

Hell, just look at Ed's Dallas Ticket Transfer thread, how many people did they pull from their butts in the fix against Oswald. Talk about rent a mob.

Makes me even more suspicious of Randle and Frazier. They were certainly given the going over, until early saturday morning.

Why?

We can back it in too, that Oswald was spotted by someone on the steps just after the shots rang out.  

Mr Frazier, step up to the plate and tell us what you know. Be a hero to the world and no one dares to harm you or your family. You have suffered enough with all this chain to carry for more than half a century.

Do not take it to your grave. Set your self free.

The problem is that Buell has repeatedly prevaricated on the Prayer Man issue. Take for example his first known response to the Prayer Man issue. In post # 791 dated 20th September 2013 on page 53 of the EF Prayerman thread, Sean Murphy copied an email from Gary Mack in which GM reported that “[Frazier] wouldn’t confirm being on the top step because the image isn’t clear enough”.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20354&hl=%20oswald%20%20leaving%20%20tsbd&page=53

As Sean Murphy said at the time, Frazier’s non-denial that PM was Oswald was confirmation that PM actually was Oswald. And as Lee Farley also said in the old ROKC forum around that time, Frazier’s prevarication on his own presence in the Darnell image likewise confirmed that fact.

Frazier shifted his ground a year later when he confirmed to Albert Rossi that it was him in the Darnell image. And then he added a new element to his story at the JFK Lancer Conference in November 2015 where, according to Larry Hancock, Frazier said he did not remember being aware of anyone being in PM’s position at the time of the assassination.

https://larryhancock.wordpress.com/2015/11/05/2015-jfk-lancer-conference/

The first problem with this is that Frazier’s claim to have not seen PM contradicts his claim that “Lee was not on the steps or in the area”. The two claims are irreconcilable because he cannot know that Lee was not on the steps if he didn’t see PM.

The second problem is that Frazier’s claim not to have seen PM is not credible as the Darnell film shows Frazier interacting with PM.

No one here is sensationalising the PM issue or casting aspersions on Frazier’s character.

The problem is that by reference to the “reasonable person test”, Frazier has undermined his own credibility with his prevarication and conflicting claims – and in the process confirmed that PM is Oswald.

Albert Rossi: (Buell on PM) 

http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t388p825-prayer-man-on-the-education-forum

Mick Purdy at April 29, 2016 at 7:15 PM

The problem is that Buell has repeatedly prevaricated on the Prayer Man issue. Take for example his first known response to the Prayer Man issue. In post # 791 dated 20th September 2013 on page 53 of the EF Prayerman thread, Sean Murphy copied an email from Gary Mack in which GM reported that “[Frazier] wouldn’t confirm being on the top step because the image isn’t clear enough”.

 

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=20354&hl=%20oswald%20%20leaving%20%20tsbd&page=53

 

As Sean Murphy said at the time, Frazier’s non-denial that PM was Oswald was confirmation that PM actually was Oswald. And as Lee Farley also said in the old ROKC forum around that time, Frazier’s prevarication on his own presence in the Darnell image likewise confirmed that fact.

 

Frazier shifted his ground a year later when he confirmed to Albert Rossi that it was him in the Darnell image. And then he added a new element to his story at the JFK Lancer Conference in November 2015 where, according to Larry Hancock, Frazier said he did not remember being aware of anyone being in PM’s position at the time of the assassination.

 

https://larryhancock.wordpress.com/2015/11/05/2015-jfk-lancer-conference/

 

The first problem with this is that Frazier’s claim to have not seen PM contradicts his claim that “Lee was not on the steps or in the area”. The two claims are irreconcilable because he cannot know that Lee was not on the steps if he didn’t see PM.

 

The second problem is that Frazier’s claim not to have seen PM is not credible as the Darnell film shows Frazier interacting with PM.

 

No one here is sensationalising the PM issue or casting aspersions on Frazier’s character.

 

The problem is that by reference to the “reasonable person test”, Frazier has undermined his own credibility with his prevarication and conflicting claims – and in the process confirmed that PM is Oswald.

Sorry Goban, this is your post which I copied and pasted, without a credit to you. My bad.

These are very interesting documents. They have been shown here before now, but they deserve a second look.

This document is extremely interesting.

"Gayle phoned Buell and his response to my question is: "Lee was not on the steps or in the area. I wasn't paying attention to anything but the parade and wanting to see Mrs. Kennedy. I liked Lee. If I had seen him out there I would've told the Police when they asked".

Buell was paying attention though:

2/13/69 Shaw/Garrison trial

MR. ALCOCK:

Q: Can you see the spot where you were situated when the presidential motorcade came by?

A:Yes,sir, I can.

Q: Will you take this symbol and place it at that location where you were standing?

Q: Mr.Frazier, do you recall who you were with during the presidential motorcade?

A: Yes, sir, I can. When I was standing there at the TOP of the stairs, I was standing there by a heavyset lady who worked up in our office, her name is Sara, I forget her last name, but she was standing right there beside me when we watched the motorcade.

Q: Do you recall anyone else who may have been with you?

A: Right down in front of me at the bottom of the steps my foreman Bill Shelley and Billy Lovelady were standing there.

"If I had seen him out there I would've told the Police when they asked".

No - Frazier would not have!

Frazier had been arrested and taken into custody. Given his circumstances there is no way he would have divulged that he had observed Lee on those steps immediately after the shots had been fired if he was aware Lee was in police custody accused of murder.

No way.

Police when they asked".

But did the police ask that very important question? You know the one "Did you see Oswald at the time of the shooting"?

I don't suppose they did. Why would they anyway when the little commie bastard was on the 6th floor.

No Buell you got some explaining to do IMHO

Mick Purdy at April 30, 2016 at 9:10 PM

This document is extremely interesting.

I find it very interesting that one of the employee lists for the TSBD included Linnie Mae on the list and here it says that Randle mentioned that his wife worked in the same building.

Did she or did she not work at the TSBD?

And why do so many people seem to think she was?

(Or was this already answered?)

I find it interesting also Terry.

I think Greg has answered the question in this thread somewhere.

Still curious how she has ended up on separate docs written up as an employee of the TSBD. 

from the three docs above:

"Randle indicated a personal acquaintanceship with Lee H. Oswald but did not indicate the degree of association."

or:

"He advised he did not know Oswald and had never seen the man until he appeared on television"

Or:

Terry Martin at May 1, 2016 at 10:20 PM

Mick Purdy at April 30, 2016 at 9:10 PM

This document is extremely interesting.

I find it very interesting that one of the employee lists for the TSBD included Linnie Mae on the list and here it says that Randle mentioned that his wife worked in the same building.

Did she or did she not work at the TSBD?

And why do so many people seem to think she was?

(Or was this already answered?)

A case of Chinese whispers, Terry. What was said to the hotel managers was that Willy's wfe's BROTHER worked with Oswald at the TSBD. But somehow, either Mrs. Thomson screwed it up in the telling, or the FBI agent screwed it up in his note-taking.

This was the reason Linnie is on Revill's list - handwritten at the bottom, but then later crossed out when the mistake was realized.

Save me a few hours Greg, How did she end of on the TSBD list again?

I know this has been addressed just to refresh the failing memory

Purely because of that miscommunication. The list was made up everyone in that building at the time - whether employees or not - with other employees added later who had been absent that day.

When the FBI got her name as an employee, they passed it on to the cops who added her to the list by hand and then crossed her off when it was discovered she not only was not there that day - she was not an absent employee either.

Thanks, Greg. I thought I had heard about it before.

Thanks Greg, thought so - just couldn't recall where I'd read that before. Cheers.