REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

'Tis gibberish, Mick. Ignore the loon.

Mick Purdy at May 20, 2016 at 9:28 PM

"Kamp just ignores the Wiegman height comparison that proves Prayer Person is on the landing by comparison to Lovelady who scientifically triangulates Prayer Person, proving he is on the landing."

This has to be a joke right? He's taking the piss! Who is this Buffoon. FFS!

Paul Francisco Paso at May 20, 2016 at 10:03 PM

Mick Purdy at May 20, 2016 at 9:28 PM

"Kamp just ignores the Wiegman height comparison that proves Prayer Person is on the landing by comparison to Lovelady who scientifically triangulates Prayer Person, proving he is on the landing."

This has to be a joke right? He's taking the piss! Who is this Buffoon. FFS!

Mick, according to dodo bird Doyle none of us that form part of human civilisation as we know it have the necessary skills or intelligence to decipher the nonsense this self proclaimed genius shits out on a regular basis. Only him and his mates, Stinky and Gilbride the Messiah are on his level of higher understanding. The rest of the worlds population are uncredible. Just throw a coin in his paper cup and keep walking to where you're going. Some charity will pick him up and take care of him. Either that or have him committed for proper mental healthcare.

Paul, he has already been admitted

Barto at May 20, 2016 at 10:07 PM

Paul Francisco Paso at May 20, 2016 at 10:03 PM

Mick Purdy at May 20, 2016 at 9:28 PM

"Kamp just ignores the Wiegman height comparison that proves Prayer Person is on the landing by comparison to Lovelady who scientifically triangulates Prayer Person, proving he is on the landing."

This has to be a joke right? He's taking the piss! Who is this Buffoon. FFS!

Mick, according to dodo bird Doyle none of us that form part of human civilisation as we know it have the necessary skills or intelligence to decipher the nonsense this self proclaimed genius shits out on a regular basis. Only him and his mates, Stinky and Gilbride the Messiah are on his level of higher understanding. The rest of the worlds population are uncredible. Just throw a coin in his paper cup and keep walking to where you're going. Some charity will pick him up and take care of him. Either that or have him committed for proper mental healthcare.

Paul, he has already been admitted

I need to make a correction here, Fratini's collage doesn't add up.

The horizontal lines are digital artefacts as the lines are also on the left which is the wall.

Then the radiator is not it, it's the hair and coat of the lady whose foot is visible a few steps below.

My apologies.

Be that as it may, while looking at the position of the strip and the coppers on the landing in the Allen shots I am still of the opinion that Prayer Man was standing one step down, the pix above and the Lovelady position are until a better scan arrives enough that Oswald is still the prime candidate and that Doyle's non existent evidence is a complete waste of time.

I am hazy on this but you know the story about someone meeting Oswald in the doorway a few minutes after the assassination and him directing him to a telephone inside? That seems to me to be an unlikely story to make up if you are framing a Patsy for carrying out the shooting several levels up in the building just before. If so is that story seems to support Oswald's prayer man position.  Can anyone expand on the detail of that story, its veracity, timeing etc?

Alan at May 22, 2016 at 1:37 PM

I am hazy on this but you know the story about someone meeting Oswald in the doorway a few minutes after the assassination and him directing him to a telephone inside? That seems to me to be an unlikely story to make up if you are framing a Patsy for carrying out the shooting several levels up in the building just before. If so is that story seems to support Oswald's prayer man position.  Can anyone expand on the detail of that story, its veracity, timeing etc?

From Prayer Man: Out of the Shadows and Into the Light, page 252:

"Shortly after this, a second man would ask Oswald for help at the same front entrance, said Sean. His name was Pierce Allman, manager of programming and production at WFAA radio, and here's his 1998 recollection of the incident:*

'And then I turned around, ran back down the hill, ran up the sidewalk, went into the depository building, asked the guy where the phone was, went inside, got on the phone, called the station, and had trouble getting through.'

"The 'guy' in question was, of course, Lee Oswald, who would later erroneously recall the crew-cut credentials-flashing Allman as a Secret Service man whom he had directed to the phone on the First Floor located towards the rear."

* Joe Nick Patoski interview with Pierce Allman, http://www.kenrahn.com/Marsh/Jfk-conspiracy/transcripts_1.html

http://www.prayer-man.com/pierce-allman/

Then there is RobertMacNeill who saw three calm men inside the vestibule of the TSBD and is supposedly directed by Oswald as well.

Ther are questions on both guys and to me neither is a dead cert.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=5656

Meanwhile, da latest news from his padded cell.....

I like this forum. Probably the most sweary forum in JFK research but I have spend most my life in Ireland and Scotland where even old grannies swear like troopers so it feels like home :0)

Stan Dane at May 22, 2016 at 1:53 PM

Alan at May 22, 2016 at 1:37 PM

I am hazy on this but you know the story about someone meeting Oswald in the doorway a few minutes after the assassination and him directing him to a telephone inside? That seems to me to be an unlikely story to make up if you are framing a Patsy for carrying out the shooting several levels up in the building just before. If so is that story seems to support Oswald's prayer man position.  Can anyone expand on the detail of that story, its veracity, timeing etc?

From Prayer Man: Out of the Shadows and Into the Light, page 252:

 

"Shortly after this, a second man would ask Oswald for help at the same front entrance, said Sean. His name was Pierce Allman, manager of programming and production at WFAA radio, and here's his 1998 recollection of the incident:*

'And then I turned around, ran back down the hill, ran up the sidewalk, went into the depository building, asked the guy where the phone was, went inside, got on the phone, called the station, and had trouble getting through.'

"The 'guy' in question was, of course, Lee Oswald, who would later erroneously recall the crew-cut credentials-flashing Allman as a Secret Service man whom he had directed to the phone on the First Floor located towards the rear."

 

* Joe Nick Patoski interview with Pierce Allman, http://www.kenrahn.com/Marsh/Jfk-conspiracy/transcripts_1.html

 

Cheers - I have the book but have a memory like a seive :0)

We only swear when the following happens:

That someone who disagrees resorts to lying and the deepest nitpicking which serves no prupose besides goading from their side.

Oh and filthy trolls like Albert Doyle of course, he deserves the utmost contempt!

I dont want to start a new thread so I am just asking this here. Is there any connectoin between LHO allegedly being known as Alex in the Soviet Union and the whole Alek Hiddell thing? 

Alan at May 23, 2016 at 8:34 PM

I dont want to start a new thread so I am just asking this here. Is there any connectoin between LHO allegedly being known as Alex in the Soviet Union and the whole Alek Hiddell thing? 

It's a good question, Alan. All we really know is that Marina never made that cnnection - fwiw.

I'm not even convinced he ever used that name to be honest. It's a bit like the coin and 3 cup trick. 

And not to mention his request for Abt... 

Doyle seems to be doing his shill job well, distracting from the point.  I'm glad you agree he is drinking a dr pepper now.

One thing I would say is if Prayer Man is Oswald (which I strongly believe) then what kind of plot involves the patsy standing 'out front' with Buell, his boss and other collegues all around him in full view of street with a motorcade and loads of cameras flashing. What kind of plot has the patsy bumping into the police at the front door and instructing people as to where the phone was within a timescale that makes it impossible for him to have been the shooter?  

Even before Prayerman and the teasing out of the truth where Oswald really was, it was already considered impossible by most for him to have got down enough flights of stairs to have been the assassin.

What kind of plot and patsy framing uses a snipers nest that many say was all but impossible to use due to the window style and trees? Why didnt they use a more believable location? What kind of plot (why???) plants a crappy improbable bolt action rifle with misaligned sights when a more sophisticated rifle in good condition would have raised fewer doubts?  

So what the hell happened? I have got to be honest and say that unless the CIA was the worst intel organisation on the planet then surely all of the above cannot have been the original plan or their work.  Its also kind of hard to believe army intel could have been that incompetant although I may be wrong.  

So I cannot help but feel that either 

1. Something went badly wrong and all this framing was hastily improvised

2. At least the TSBD part of what happened really cannot have been the work of intel masterminds.

 This is one of the reasons I have seriously considered that the TSBD snipers nest was made incometant by design. It looks like it was meant to be the nest of an incompetant who tried but failed to shoot JFK.  This is why I have a suspicion a designed to fail plot focussed on the TSBD might have been hijacked.

One thing I would say is if Prayer Man is Oswald (which I strongly believe) then what kind of plot involves the patsy standing 'out front' with Buell, his boss and other collegues all around him in full view of street with a motorcade and loads of cameras flashing.

I think this is where the Tippit murder comes in. I think the reason Oswald was framed by the conspirators for the Tippit murder was to ensure the DPD would nail his balls to the wall, so I don't think it mattered if Oswald was standing out front at the time of the assassination. That's just my opinion.

Hasan Yusuf at May 24, 2016 at 10:54 AM

One thing I would say is if Prayer Man is Oswald (which I strongly believe) then what kind of plot involves the patsy standing 'out front' with Buell, his boss and other collegues all around him in full view of street with a motorcade and loads of cameras flashing.

I think this is where the Tippit murder comes in. I think the reason Oswald was framed by the conspirators for the Tippit murder was to ensure the DPD would nail his balls to the wall, so I don't think it mattered if Oswald was standing out front at the time of the assassination. That's just my opinion.

it still seems an extraodinarily messy method. If prayer man is Oswald (and I am 99% sure it is)  then a hell of a lot of people have been made to lie and a hell of a lot has been left to chance. It just doesnt sense to me. What would make sense if the original plan was simply to show that some incompetant assassin with fake Cuban links had conspired and failed.  The incompetant snipers nest, gun etc does make sense if Oswald was to be portrayed as a weird Commie loner nut. The nest then makes sense and fits the image they later saddled LHO with. It would have made sense if (as would almost certainly have happened if the nest and gun were used) if shots were fired and missed.  However once this nest, that gun, those sights, a poor shot like Oswald etc is used as a Patsy for a SUCCESSFUL assassination then none of it makes sense. 

The scenario that the nest was set up as a pretty plausible failed assassination prop makes a lot more sense to me. However, even that scenario surely couldnt have involved the Patsy being at the door with dozens of cameras flashing as the motorcade came round. That makes me wonder two things:

1. Did the delay of the motorcade mess up the plan?

2. Was someone meant to make sure Oswald remained in the building and failed to do so?

3. Was Oswald the original Patsy for pulling the trigger? Is it possible that someone else was originally meant to be the patsy for pulling the trigger and Oswald was to be farmed as a fascilitator? Is there anyone else who might have been meant to be the shooter patsy but somehow did something that messed up that plan?  

Well, I agree that it wasn't a good idea to let the designated patsy stand outside at the time of the assassination, but I stand by what I wrote above. 

The DPD interrogated several of the people that were there on the steps as this was where they met Oswald.  Molina, Frasier and Lovelady.  They were really paranoid about the steps.