REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

Yeah I would not trust Bob Jackson on this.
We know he is full of it. Did not see a rifle but injects himself into the mix.
He has Brian Williams disease or O'reilly of the mouth.
Sprauge was right to want him under oath!!!

What an outstanding thread!!
We are breaking new ground here.

Now as for timing and someone being able to get to the third or fourth floor landing after TWO shots from the SFW or upper floor/roof, I say that would be possible. The third shot coming from the GK would be conspiratorial so not allowable, but this would be covered for by the false Baker start time. Pretty slick 'work' by Warren Commission and FBI on the recreation timing to try and incriminate an dead innocent man.

Noticed Mal Couch sought the lords help after the assassination. Prayer Man to the rescue.

Mr. BELIN. Would that have been in the middle of Houston Street?

Mr. RACKLEY. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. In what direction were you facing?

Mr. RACKLEY. Facing south.

Mr. BELIN. All right, did you see the motorcade at all?

Mr. RACKLEY. No.

Mr. BELIN. What did you see?

Mr. RACKLEY. I didn't practically see anything.

Mr. BELIN. Did you hear any sounds at all?

Mr. RACKLEY. Yes. Heard the sounds of the parade.

Mr. BELIN. Did you hear the sounds that sounded like firecrackers or shots at all?

Mr. RACKLEY. No, sir.

Mr. BELIN. Didn't hear that?

Mr. RACKLEY. No.

Mr. BELIN. About how far would you have been from the northeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository when you were standing there?

Mr. RACKLEY. I would say right at a block.

Mr. BELIN. About a block. Do you have any idea about how many feet that is?

Mr. RACKLEY. No, sir; I don't

Mr. BELIN. Were you just standing there, or were you walking?

Mr. RACKLEY. I was just standing there.

Mr. BELIN. Did you see anything happen at all there?

Mr. RACKLEY. No, sir.

Mr. BELIN. Did you see anyone in the parade?

Mr. RACKLEY. The only thing - I told the guy, he was down there, the only thing that I saw that looked suspicious to me, there was something like a hundred pigeons flew up like you shot into them, and I noticed that, but I never heard no shots.

Mr. BELIN. Where did you see them fly from?

Mr. RACKLEY. From over the top of the building.

Mr. BELIN. Which building? The School Book Depository or over on the other side?

Mr. RACKLEY. The Trinity Building.

Mr. BELIN. Which building did they fly off of?

Mr. RACKLEY. I wasn't looking. I just seen they all flew together.

Mr. BELIN. Did it look like they were flying up from both buildings?

Mr. RACKLEY. Both buildings.

Mr. BELIN. You don't know about when this took place?

Mr. RACKLEY. No, sir; I don't.

Mr. BELIN. About what time was it that you were looking that way, do you remember, offhand?

Mr. RACKLEY. No; but it was just at the time that the parade was nearing there, I know that.



Rackley is saying the pigeons flew up over the buildings, not from the top of the building.

This backs up other witness whom saw pigeons fly up from the ground over the buildings.

Shots from the knoll area spooked the birds, not anything from the buildings themselves.

“I was looking up there and I saw those pigeons

flying around there” [3 H 247–248]). But earlier in his testimony he said (perhaps

loosely) that he saw the “pigeons began to fly up to the top of the building” (3 H 246),

suggesting the pigeons were not originally on the roof. And elsewhere in his testimony

he says, “I noticed those pigeons start to fly up there” (3 H 267). But does this mean

they were flying “up there” when he first saw them, or that they flew from a lower

position up to the top of the building? But, of course, if the pigeons were not originally

on the roof, where were they? Although Baker is “pretty sure” the pigeons came

from the Book Depository Building located on the northwest corner of Elm and Houston,

he said they could have come from the building “on the northeast corner [Dal-

Tex Building]” (3 H 246). However, the fact that Baker entered the Book Depository

Building and proceeded to the roof of the building is evidence that it was his impression

the pigeons came from the Depository, not from the Dal-Tex Building. At the

London trial, when I asked Baker if he saw “any activity of pigeons” at the time he

heard the shots, he clarified one point, saying, “Yes, sir, I did. I saw a huge number of

pigeons flying from the top of this here [pointing to the Book Depository Building on

a diagram],” but added, “And some were also coming from the building across the

street.”* “And this was concurrent with the sound of the shots?”† “Yes.” (Testimony

of Marrion Baker, Transcript of On Trial, July 23, 1986, pp.169–170)

What precisely happened cannot be nailed down any further by reference to the

Warren Commission testimony of George Rackley, a Dealey Plaza witness who said

he noticed something that “looked suspicious” to him—“a hundred pigeons flew

up like you shot into them.” Question: “Where did you see them fly from?” Rackley:

“From over the top of the building.” Question: “Which building? The School

Book Depository or over on the other side?” Rackley: “The Trinity Building.” (The

Dal-Tex Building was previously known as the Trinity Warehouse Building.) In an

inappropriate, leading question, particularly in view of the fact that Rackley had

already answered the question, Warren Commission counsel David Belin asked,

“Did it look like they were flying up from both buildings?” “Both buildings,” Rackley

replied.‡ (6 H 275)

Dallas Police officer Earle V. Brown adds to the confusion with his Warren Commission

testimony that from his position on top of the railroad overpass above the

Stemmons Freeway he saw pigeons “all take off ” around the time of the shots.

Question: “Where was it you saw the pigeons rise?” Brown: “From where I was

standing they would be about halfway between—no, they would be up more toward that other overpass,

what they call the triple underpass.” (6 H 234)

Whether Brown was referring to the same pigeons referred to by Baker and Rackley, or other

pigeons, is not known. What is known is that conspiracy theorists, who routinely

reject incontrovertible evidence in the assassination, have accepted a point supportive

of Oswald’s guilt that, from the evidence, could never be classified as incontrovertible.

†If the pigeons had been on the roof of the Book Depository Building, where? The stronger inference is

they were on the northwest corner of the building, not the southeast corner where Oswald was. Baker said he

saw a shack on the roof of the northeast corner of the building (photographs show it was actually the northwest

corner) where “pigeons had been roosting there for some time,” and saw pigeon droppings (3 H 260).

‡However, in an FBI interview a month earlier, Rackley was unequivocal and said he saw “a large flock of

pigeons take off from the roof of the Texas School Book Depository Building” (FBI Record 124-10028-10387,

Interview of George W. Rackley Sr. on March 9, 1964, p.4).

NO SHOTS WERE FIRED FROM THE TSBD!

When I made the turn onto Houston on the left side, we had caught up with the cars in front of us, and I had stopped right by the side of the entrance to the old jail, which is about midway between Main and Elm Streets on Houston. I heard one very clear shot. Evidently I must have felt like it was coming from straight ahead because at that instant I was looking down, and when I heard the shot, threw my head up and it appeared that about 5,000 pigeons flew out from behind that building (the Texas School Book Depository) straight ahead. In fact, I thought to myself, “Somebody’s shooting at the pigeons!” But I could see the limousine off to my left on Elm and saw Mrs. Kennedy crawling on the back of the car. I had a good idea that somebody had been shot at but didn’t know which one. ~ H. B. McLain, Solo Motorcycle Officer Dallas Police Department

Wanna try that with the window open six to seven inches?

Solely the reason it is a glass cage these days as they don't want every visitor going NFW, it cannot be done.

Burns said ONE shot was heard and it was from the West, behind her as she walked East in the third floor hallway.

Mr. BALL. You heard how many shots?

Miss BURNS. One.

Mr. BALL. Just one?

Miss BURNS. It must have been the last one because I didn't hear any more.

Mr BALL. Did you have any idea where it was coming from?

Miss BURNS. Well, it just sounded as though it was back of me. You see, I was going towards Houston Street. I was facing east and it sounded to me as it came toward my back.

Mr. BALL. You were in the building?

Miss BURNS. Yes; I was in the building.

Mr. BALL. Walking down the hall?

Miss BURNS. Walking down the hall going towards Allyn and Bacon.

The knoll and railyard was to her rear (West)

She does not ever say the shot was from within the TSBD, because NO SHOTS WERE FIRED FROM THE TSBD!

Mr. BALL. Did you hear anybody running down the stairs at any time?

Miss BURNS. Yes, but I didn't know

Mr. BALL. When?

Miss BURNS. It was after that; I went to the restroom.

Mr. BALL. How long after?

Miss BURNS. I imagine maybe it was 25 minutes. I imagine it was the policeman or somebody; of course, I don't know who it was.

Did Doris use the second floor restrooms? Or the Fourth floor lav?

Ed Ledoux at November 24, 2015 at 4:18 AM

Wanna try that with the window open six to seven inches?

You know Ed you're right and it really is that simple...........................

We could bang on about the detail for years, but that recreation pic is a crock and they must have known that.

The angle of the dangles all wrong.

It beggars belief actually, here is a pic which seems to prove the shot could not have come from that window, and I'm reasonably confident that no shots came from any other windows in that building either. So if no shots were fired from the TSBD, and this recreation pic seems a pretty powerful pictorial display of that point, then there ain't no 6th floor shooter. Period end of story.

I hear crickets chirping again..........................................!

Why the Hughes film shows absolutely nothing when it comes to seeing the shooter or a barrel.

http://www.prayer-man.com/the-6th-floor-window-in-the-robert-hughes-film/

If anything incriminating to the official story was ever in the Hughes film, it was excised before the public ever saw it.

The cuts in the Hughes film (easily observed when scrolling through individual frames) include but are not limited to:

- Baker reacting to the first audible shot (must've looked up quickly) as he passes the County Jail. This syncs perfectly with the excised frames in Zapruder where JFK momentarily stops waving and is during the period when any shots from the 'snipers nest' would be blocked by the tree.*

- possible glint from a radio from mysterious guy on Huston St. who is clearly talking into his hand before & after JFK passes

- possible movement at west-end of picket fence

- another possible glint from a radio of the young DCM with the rolled up jacket & cap out front of the TSBD (interesting to follow this guy from Huston/Main to the picket fence to the TSBD whilst monitoring his jacket & back pocket. Extremely hinky & missed by everybody.)

When considered in conjunction with splices in all the other relevant Dealey Plaza footage, a pretty coherent 'negative template' emerges.

Also, Euins told Underwood he saw a 'colored' man in the window. Anything subsequent to that is bullshit released under extreme duress.

* As per the timing & internal logic of Dale Myers' own film synchronization study fer fucksakes. (Though he doesn't mention this particular correlation of film splices). I wouldn't trust Myers to tell me the weather - and reject at least 40% of his study - but his synchronization of frames where the camera cars can be seen in both Zapruder & Hughes seems fairly sound from my own limited re-checking. Even if he's off by a dozen frames, that's less than a second in real time.)

Andy A. at January 13, 2016 at 6:32 PM

If anything incriminating to the official story was ever in the Hughes film, it was excised before the public ever saw it.

The cuts in the Hughes film (easily observed when scrolling through individual frames) include but are not limited to:

- Baker reacting to the first audible shot (must've looked up quickly) as he passes the County Jail. This syncs perfectly with the excised frames in Zapruder where JFK momentarily stops waving and is during the period when any shots from the 'snipers nest' would be blocked by the tree.*

- possible glint from a radio from mysterious guy on Huston St. who is clearly talking into his hand before & after JFK passes

- possible movement at west-end of picket fence

- another possible glint from a radio of the young DCM with the rolled up jacket & cap out front of the TSBD (interesting to follow this guy from Huston/Main to the picket fence to the TSBD whilst monitoring his jacket & back pocket. Extremely hinky & missed by everybody.)

When considered in conjunction with splices in all the other relevant Dealey Plaza footage, a pretty coherent 'negative template' emerges.

Also, Euins told Underwood he saw a 'colored' man in the window. Anything subsequent to that is bullshit released under extreme duress.

* As per the timing & internal logic of Dale Myers' own film synchronization study fer fucksakes. (Though he doesn't mention this particular correlation of film splices). I wouldn't trust Myers to tell me the weather - and reject at least 40% of his study - but his synchronization of frames where the camera cars can be seen in both Zapruder & Hughes seems fairly sound from my own limited re-checking. Even if he's off by a dozen frames, that's less than a second in real time.)

Andy,

you get my vote

Did you hear anything hunny?

Just want to write about the ejecta that we can see in Z and Nix films where the white piece of skull is seen to fly up and forward, mostly upward, or at least outward from the axis of the bullet or bullets. This is such an odd angle for matter to be propelled out of his head. When you look at the high speed films of rifle bullets going through things the ejecta is on axis more or less directly forward and to the rear of the passing bullet. Given a front and/or a rear shot, what imparts energy upon that skull piece to rocket it upward and so far off of the axis of energy of the flying bullet? I know if a soft lead bullet hits a hardened steel plate then all the bullet fragments fly out in a disc plane perpendicular to the bullet's flight axis; the energy is translated to these new axes after the collision with the steel. That is the kind of energy the skull fragment appears to have had imparted to it. The only thing I can think of that could do that is two bullets from opposite directions almost at once. Not that the bullets necessarily need to physically collide in his head, but that they are both imparting on axis energy to brain and skull that causes the ejecta itself to have an on-axis or at least oblique axis collision from two opposite directions that results in the outward translation of the energy, which propells it in off axes directions, like an explosion from a point souce inside the head would do. (as from a "flurry" of bullets, which is a reference to Kellerman's statement).

Jake,

All I'll say is  - Bang,...............Bang Bang!  

I do think you maybe correct.

Barto at April 2, 2016 at 10:45 AM

Did you hear anything hunny?

Thanks for sharing Barto - amazing that a person up on the third floor South side of the TSBD - at the window looking out, would not hear shots from above coming from inside the building. Amazing.

There ought to be a list of people inside the tsbd and where the shots came from, and I bet you a pattern will emerge.

Tuscalosa News Nov 23 1963

Have you considered the testimony of Mrs. Reid that Oswald was in her office on the 2'nd floor of the Book Depository at the time when the shots were heard? (Primary reference: "Absolute Proof" by Robert Groden) It seems that Groden is a reputable researcher on JFK, so I thought I would ask you,Sir.

Groden made a mistake with that, Reid was outside mwith Truly and Campbell as per her affidavit and testimony.