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Brian Castle
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Stan Dane at September 18, 2015 at 3:51 PM

Jake at September 18, 2015 at 3:36 PM

Lest we forget and in case the current hyperbolic warp-edos aimed at PM are actually a smoke screen for distracting from the smoking sun shining in the backyard photos that Terry discovered using his supreme photoanlytical skills: The shadows of the power wires on the ground are moving in precisely the opposite direction to the direction that they should be moving as PM's shadow grows longer. Talk about warping space and time!  :) Oh wait, it's a woman in the back yard so it can't be PM.

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October 25, 2015 at 10:06 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Barto at October 25, 2015 at 1:54 PM

Robert and Patricia Hester, of the National Photo Labs in Dallas, Texas processed pictures for the FBI the evening of November 22, 1963. Mr. and Mrs. Hester told Jim Marrs, author of "Crossfire", that the FBI had the "backyard photos" that evening, the day before those photos were "found" by the Dallas Police in Ruth Paine's garage. They further said that the FBI had a color transparency of one of the photos and a picture of the backyard with no one in the picture.

We know the DPD had these things too, yes? So, who had them first, the DPD or the FBI?


In no way does this imply that either agency was the source of the altered photos, correct? Or.... is there a possibility George de Mohrenschildt got his copy "after" the assassination?


What keeps bothering me about these BYP's, is Marina's testimony around them, and the sequence of her testimony around them. I'm clueless what it might mean, would someone like to put a box around Marina for me? Firsit she admitted to taking only one photo, is that right? Then later she claimed to take multiple photos? She was all over the map on this one, wasn't she?

October 25, 2015 at 10:13 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Ray Mitcham
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Brian Castle at October 25, 2015 at 10:13 PM

Barto at October 25, 2015 at 1:54 PM

Robert and Patricia Hester, of the National Photo Labs in Dallas, Texas processed pictures for the FBI the evening of November 22, 1963. Mr. and Mrs. Hester told Jim Marrs, author of "Crossfire", that the FBI had the "backyard photos" that evening, the day before those photos were "found" by the Dallas Police in Ruth Paine's garage. They further said that the FBI had a color transparency of one of the photos and a picture of the backyard with no one in the picture.

We know the DPD had these things too, yes? So, who had them first, the DPD or the FBI?


In no way does this imply that either agency was the source of the altered photos, correct? Or.... is there a possibility George de Mohrenschildt got his copy "after" the assassination?


What keeps bothering me about these BYP's, is Marina's testimony around them, and the sequence of her testimony around them. I'm clueless what it might mean, would someone like to put a box around Marina for me? Firsit she admitted to taking only one photo, is that right? Then later she claimed to take multiple photos? She was all over the map on this one, wasn't she?

With a Black ((Oswald's was grey) Reflex camera  which she held up to her eye to take the photo(s) (1 ...no...2...no..3.)

October 27, 2015 at 9:46 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Ray Mitcham at October 27, 2015 at 9:46 AM

Brian Castle at October 25, 2015 at 10:13 PM

Barto at October 25, 2015 at 1:54 PM

Robert and Patricia Hester, of the National Photo Labs in Dallas, Texas processed pictures for the FBI the evening of November 22, 1963. Mr. and Mrs. Hester told Jim Marrs, author of "Crossfire", that the FBI had the "backyard photos" that evening, the day before those photos were "found" by the Dallas Police in Ruth Paine's garage. They further said that the FBI had a color transparency of one of the photos and a picture of the backyard with no one in the picture.

We know the DPD had these things too, yes? So, who had them first, the DPD or the FBI?


In no way does this imply that either agency was the source of the altered photos, correct? Or.... is there a possibility George de Mohrenschildt got his copy "after" the assassination?


What keeps bothering me about these BYP's, is Marina's testimony around them, and the sequence of her testimony around them. I'm clueless what it might mean, would someone like to put a box around Marina for me? Firsit she admitted to taking only one photo, is that right? Then later she claimed to take multiple photos? She was all over the map on this one, wasn't she?

With a Black ((Oswald's was grey) Reflex camera  which she held up to her eye to take the photo(s) (1 ...no...2...no..3.)

Hi Ray,


Isn't it funny how things turn. I once was of the opinion that the BYP's were authentic, but that was way back, when I hadn't had a close enough look. I along with a good many others probably put this one in the Kook folder.


In recent years after reading about the history and provenence of the BYP's I became less skeptical of the claims of fakery. It wasn't until I actually studied them closely that I became aware of anomolies in those pictures which cannot be related to artifacting or any other errors inherent in photograpic work. I had read Farid's study, and heard of Jack Whites opinion and still found it hard to accept that one or more of these pics may have been forged. (I am a professional cameraman by trade)


Then someone here recently pointed to something in one of the pics which for me is absolute proof that at least one of these pictures have been faked or altered maybe just as Oswald claimed.


After years of Study by so called experts, our very own Terry Martin has given us the smoking gun in these pics. The overhead electrical wires and their shadows falling onto the ground. It was he whom discovered that indeed the shadows of these cables had moved in the opposite direction to which they should have moved in reality.


Now thats research with a capital 'R'. He alone has proven beyond any doubt that at least one of these curious photos is not what it seems.

October 27, 2015 at 6:58 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Terry’s excellent observation is one of two ROKC-produced proofs of backyard photos fakery that I’m aware of.

 

The other proof was presented by Greg on or around 22nd December 2014 (that’s when I commented on it) on a thread titled, I think, “Backyard Photos”.

 

If I remember correctly, the gist of Greg’s proof went something like this: Marina Oswald said at some stage that she had destroyed a photo of Oswald with a rifle or some other such documentary evidence after the assassination because it would incriminate him.

 

Greg pointed out that if the extant BYPs really existed before they were “discovered” after the assassination, Marina would have destroyed those also.

 

I have searched for the thread and the posts in question without success. Maybe some other ROKCer with better recall and search faculties than mine will be able to find them. (I could be wrong but I seem to remember Terry also at the time expressing his appreciation to Greg for coming up with that clincher.)

 

October 27, 2015 at 8:20 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Goban Saor at October 27, 2015 at 8:20 PM

Terry’s excellent observation is one of two ROKC-produced proofs of backyard photos fakery that I’m aware of.

 

The other proof was presented by Greg on or around 22nd December 2014 (that’s when I commented on it) on a thread titled, I think, “Backyard Photos”.

 

If I remember correctly, the gist of Greg’s proof went something like this: Marina Oswald said at some stage that she had destroyed a photo of Oswald with a rifle or some other such documentary evidence after the assassination because it would incriminate him.

 

Greg pointed out that if the extant BYPs really existed before they were “discovered” after the assassination, Marina would have destroyed those also.

 

I have searched for the thread and the posts in question without success. Maybe some other ROKCer with better recall and search faculties than mine will be able to find them. (I could be wrong but I seem to remember Terry also at the time expressing his appreciation to Greg for coming up with that clincher.)

 

Hi Goban,

My bad! It was that thread by Greg which you've mentione that convinced me of the forgery, Terry has proven it with solid hard evidence.

Apologies to Greg. 

Cannot recall the name of the thread, but I remember it well.



October 27, 2015 at 8:31 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Thread name Backyard Photos

Started by Paul:

Greg said:

 

 

 

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The testimony that blows the BY photos out of the water. Have also included and highlighted some other stuff that shows what a complete bitch Ruth Paine really was.

 

MRS. OSWALD. I am worried because Lee hasn't had an attorney. And I am talking about that, and Mrs. Paine said, "Oh, don't worry about that. I am a member of the Civil Liberties Union, and Lee will have an attorney, I can assure you." I said to myself but when? Of course, I didn't want to push her, argue with her. But the point was if she was a member of the Union, why didn't she see Lee had an attorney then. So I wasn't too happy about that. Now, gentlemen, this is some very important facts. My daughter-in-law spoke to Mrs. Paine in Russian, "Mamma." she says. So she takes me into the bedroom and closes the door. She said, "Mamma, I show you." She opened the closet, and in the closet was a lot of books and papers. And she came out with a picture a picture of Lee, with a gun. It said, "To my daughter June"-written in English. I said, "Oh, Marina, police." I didn't think anything of the picture. Now, you must understand that I don't know what is going on on television--I came from the jailhouse and everything, so I don't know all the circumstances, what evidence they had against my son by this time. I had no way of knowing. But I say to my daughter, "To my daughter. June." anybody can own a rifle, to go hunting. You yourself probably have a rifle. So I am not connecting this with the assassination--"To my daughter, June." Because I would immediately say, and I remember--I think my son is all agent all the time no one is going to be foolish enough if they mean to assassinate the President, or even murder someone to take a picture of themselves with that rifle, and leave that there for evidence. So, I didn't think a thing about it. And it says "To my daughter, June." I said, "The police," meaning that if the police got that, they would use that against my son, which would be a natural way to think. She says, "You take, Mamma."' "Yes, Mamma, you take." I said, "No, Marina. Put back in the book." So she put the picture back in the book. Which book it was, I do not know. So the next day, when we are at the courthouse this is on Saturday-she--we were sitting down, waiting to see Lee. She puts her shoe down, she says, "Mamma, picture." She had the picture folded up in her shoe. Now, I did not see that it was the picture. but I know that it was, because she told me it was, and I could see it was folded up. It wasn't open for me to see. I said, "Marina." Just like that. So Robert came along and he says, "Robert" I said, "No, no Marina." I didn't want her to tell Robert about the picture. Right there, you know. That was about the picture.

 

Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever tell her to destroy the picture?

 

Mrs. OSWALD. No. Now, I have to go into this. I want to tell you about destroying the picture. Now, that was in Mrs. Paine's home. I want to start to remember--because when we leave Mrs. Paine's home, we go into another phase, where the picture comes in again. So I have to tell the--unless you want to ask me specific questions.

 

Mr. RANKIN. No, you go right ahead.

 

Mrs. OSWALD. Mrs. Paine, in front of me, gave Marina $10. Now, Mrs. Paine, when I said, after the representatives left--I said, "You know, I do want to get paid for the story, because I am destitute, and here is a girl with--her husband is going to be in jail, we will need money for attorneys, with two babies." She said, "You don't have to worry about Marina. Marina will always have a home with me, because Marina helps." Now, Mrs. Paine speaks Russian fluently. "She helps me with my Russian language. She babysits for me and helps me with the housework, and you never have to worry about Marina. She will always have a home with me." Now, Mr. and Mrs. Paine are separated. Mr. Paine does not live here. So it is just the two women. So, Mrs. Paine didn't graciously do anything for Marina, as the paper stated--that Lee never did pay Mrs. Paine for room or board. Mrs. Paine owes them money. That is almost the kind of work that I do, or the airline stewardesses do, serve food and everything. Marina was earning her keep, and really should have had a salary for it--what I am trying to say, gentlemen, Mrs. Paine had Marina there to help babysit with the children, with her children-if she wanted to go running around and everything. So actually she wasn't doing my son or Marina the favor that she claims she was doing. But the point I am trying to stress is that she did tell me Marina would never have to worry, because Marina would have a home with her. At this particular moment, I cannot remember anything of importance in the house. Otherwise, about the picture I have stated. And Mrs. Paine with the Life representative, and her saying that Lee would have an attorney, and Mrs. Paine giving Marina a $10 bill. Oh, Marina told me, "Mamma, I have this money." It was money in an envelope--in the bedroom, when she showed me the picture. I said, "How much money, Marina." "About how much?" I asked her. "About $100 and some." Now, Mrs. Paine has stated to the Life representative that Lee and Marina were saving his pay in order to have a home for themselves for Christmas time, because they had never been in a home of their own at Christmas time in order to celebrate Christmas. So, the hundred and some odd dollars isn't a big sum, considering that Lee paid $8 a week room in Dallas--and it has been stated by the landlady that Lee ate lunchmeat or fruit. And Lee was very, very thin when I saw him. And Lee gave his salary to his wife in order to save to have this home for Christmas. So, that is not a lot of money to have in the house I would not think so, because I believe Lee was earning about $50 a week. And let's say he could live for about $10 or $12. And he gave the rest of the money to his wife. And so I reported this money to the Secret Service while we were in Six Flags--that Marina had the money. I wanted them to know. She showed me the money. I cannot think now-I did think of the money after going back--but I cannot think of anything at this particular moment that would be of any benefit that happened in this house. Mr. RANKIN. In regard to the photograph, I will show you some photographs. Maybe you can tell me whether they are the ones that you are referring to. Here is Commission's Exhibit 134.

 

Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir, that is not the picture.

 

Mr. RANKIN. And 133, consists of two different pictures.

 

Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir, that is not the picture. He was holding the rifle and it said, "To my daughter, June, with love." He was holding the rifle up.

 

Mr. RANKIN. By holding it up, you mean----

 

Mrs. OSWALD. Like this.

 

Mr. RANKIN. Crosswise, with both hands on the rifle?

 

Mrs. OSWALD. With both hands on the rifle.

 

Mr. RANKIN. Above his head?

 

Mrs. OSWALD. That is right.

 

Mr. RANKIN. Did you ever see these pictures, Exhibits 133 and 134?

 

Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir, I have never seen those pictures.

 

Mr. RANKIN. Now, you were going to tell us about some further discussion of the picture you did see?

 

Mrs. OSWALD. Yes--all right. Now, so the next morning the two representatives of the Life Magazine, Mr. Allen Grant and Mr. Tommy Thompson come by at 9 o'clock with a woman, Russian interpreter, a doctor somebody. I have not been able to find this woman. I have called the universities, thinking that she was a language teacher, and I--maybe you have her name. But she is very, very important to our story. And I do want to locate her, if possible. During the night, I had decided I was going to take up their offer, because I would be besieged by reporters and everything. So why not go with the Life representatives, and let them pay my room and board and my daughter-in-law's. They came by at 9 o'clock, without calling, with this Russian interpreter. Marina was getting dressed and getting the children dressed. He was taking pictures all the time.

 

Mr. RANKIN. They came by where?

 

Mrs. OSWALD. Mrs. Paine's home. And there was no hurry, though, to leave the home, because Mrs. Paine was most anxious for the Life representatives to talk to her and get these pictures and everything--whether Marina has any part in this I don't know, because they spoke Russian, and she didn't tell me about it. But I know Mrs. Paine did. We left with the two Life representatives. They brought us to the Hotel Adolphus in Dallas. I immediately upon entering the hotel picked up the phone and called Captain Will Fritz, to see if Marina and I could see Lee at the jailhouse.

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MRS. OSWALD. While there, Marina--there is an ashtray on the dressing table. And Marina comes with hits of paper, and puts them in the ashtray and strikes a match to it. And this is the picture of the gun that Marina tore up into bits of paper, and struck a match to it. Now, that didn't burn completely, because it was heavy--not cardboard--what is the name for it--a photographic picture. So the match didn't take it completely.

 

Mr. RANKIN. Had you said anything to her about burning it before that?

 

Mrs. OSWALD. No, sir. The last time I had seen the picture was in Marina's shoe when she was trying to tell me that the picture was in her shoe. I state here now that Marina meant for me to have that picture, from the very beginning, in Mrs. Paine's home. She said--I testified before "Mamma, you keep picture." And then she showed it to me in the courthouse. And when I refused it, then she decided to get rid of the picture. She tore up the picture and struck a match to it. Then I took it and flushed it down the toilet.

 

Mr. RANKIN. And what time was this?

 

Mrs. OSWALD. This--now, just a minute, gentlemen, because this I know is very important to me and to you, too. We had been in the jail. This was an evening. Well, this, then, would be approximately 5:30 or 6 in the evening.

 

Mr. RANKIN. What day?

 

Mrs. OSWALD. On Saturday, November 23. Now, I flushed the torn bits and the half-burned thing down the commode. And nothing was said. There was nothing said.

 

Mr. RANKIN. That was at the Executive Inn?

 

Mrs. OSWALD. At the Executive Inn.

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When did the BYP make their debut? Straight after the Minsk photo was safely destroyed (I previously said it was destroyed at Marguerite's suggestion - I should have said at (most likely) Ruth's/Life's suggestion.

 

6:00 - 6:30 P.M. Interrogation, Captain Fritz's Office

"In time I will be able to show you that this is not my picture, but I don't want to answer any more questions. . . . I will not discuss this photograph [which was used on the cover of Feb. 21, 1964 Life magazine] without advice of an attorney. . . . There was another rifle in the building. I have seen it. Warren Caster had two rifles, a 30.06 Mauser and a .22 for his son. . . . That picture is not mine, but the face is mine. The picture has been made by superimposing my face. The other part of the picture is not me at all, and I have never seen this picture before. I understand photography real well, and that, in time, I will be able to show you that is not my picture and that it has been made by someone else. . . . It was entirely possible that the Police Dept. has superimposed this part of the photograph over the body of someone else. . .

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html

 

I know nowhere does Marguerite say the photo she saw was taken in Minsk, but Sylvia Meagher believed it was and it makes sense that it was inscribed to June with the raised arms in celebration of her birth. Marina initially only admitted taking one photo of Lee holding a rifle (it was actually a shotgun, but she also admitted not knowing the difference). The Minsk photo was that photo.

 

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October 27, 2015 at 8:37 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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For what it's worth, I say fake! Have waxed and waned on this for several years. And I really don't see an issue either way, fake or not. They are damming and extremely incriminating. And used oh so effectively by Time life magazine. For me it was the cincher. The world took one look at that photo and Oswald was as good as dead. But I am convinced they're fake not so much by the photo's themselves but swayed by the evidence Greg alludes to. Having said all that, I believe also, that the shadows in the photographs show quite clearly signs of forgery. Not the obvious ones, not the shadows on the face or the chin or the nose, the ones studied for over 50 years, but shadows on the ground from inanimate objects which do not relate in any way to the torso shadow. I am using my own photgraphic skill set to determine this, as I have filmed for over 37 years, and this plus the testimony of Marina and Mrs Oswald cries out FAKE!

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October 27, 2015 at 8:40 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Mick Purdy
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Ed wrote:


Of note is the size of LHO in the images.



 

 


LHO in these pictures is the same height as the post holding up the stairs or about 5'

Lee's true height is 5'9"

October 27, 2015 at 8:56 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Mick Purdy
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So, what we have now regarding the BYP's is written research and photographic evidence which when combined give us absolute proof these pics were faked.


Sound familiar........PM = Oswald. 


ROKC ON!

October 27, 2015 at 9:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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As Ray pointed out -- Marina described taking one photo with a camera that couldnot have been the Imperial. She did agree she took it in March - but no year was mentioned. Early March, 1962 is right after when June was born and the inscription to June and the raised arms nail it as a "victory" salute to June's birth. Destroy that photo but leave ones where you also have a pistol and are waving commie papers around? I don't think so....

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October 27, 2015 at 10:11 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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In the meantime, thanks to Google I found the thread and the post by Greg that I failed to find with the ROKC search function.

 

The post by Greg is well worth reading again. Here’s the link:

 

http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/forums/topics/show/13097955-backyard-photos

 

 

October 28, 2015 at 8:29 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Goban Saor at October 28, 2015 at 8:29 AM

In the meantime, thanks to Google I found the thread and the post by Greg that I failed to find with the ROKC search function.

 

The post by Greg is well worth reading again. Here’s the link:

 

http://www.reopenkennedycase.org/apps/forums/topics/show/13097955-backyard-photos

 

 

Thanks, Goban. I was nice to see that thread again - the search function here leaves much to be desired. Yes, I thought Greg nailed the logic on the BYPs.

 

I was trying to recall which thread it was that Ed showed the Neely house.

 

And how could I forget our introduction to the numbat...?

October 28, 2015 at 9:14 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Just had  a look at the BYP CE133B Cropped and enlarged and then "antialiased" it in GIMP. Nothing altered other than the antialias. Enlarge it. Can anybody else  see a problem in the chin area?

[URL=http://s46.photobucket.com/user/Fourbrick/media/oswald%20chin_zpsxfztsyqx.png.html][IMG]http://i46.photobucket.com/albums/f128/Fourbrick/oswald%20chin_zpsxfztsyqx.png[/IMG][/URL]

Can't get the image to upload. How do I upload it?


October 28, 2015 at 9:58 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Goban Saor
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Looks like Cary Grant's chin to me.

October 28, 2015 at 12:00 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Here it is,Ray.



October 28, 2015 at 12:18 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Mick Purdy
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Apart from notes gifted to us by Fritz an Co. from the Oswald interrogations, what proof is there that Oswald actually was shown any of the BYP's and said they wre fake? I realize if this info was corroborated by more than one person then its could be likely, but I'm curious.

 


My point being, do we know when the photos were really discovered...and not relying on anything the DPD SS or FBI told us. When did we see these pics for the first time?


Tell me our first glimpse of them wasn't in the issue of Life.

 


I apologise in advance if this has been covered off, and is widely known.

October 29, 2015 at 11:16 AM Flag Quote & Reply

 

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6:00 - 6:30 P.M. Interrogation, Captain Fritz's Office

"In time I will be able to show you that this is not my picture, but I don't want to answer any more questions. . . . I will not discuss this photograph [which was used on the cover of Feb. 21, 1964 Life magazine]

 

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Rose testified to the Warren Commission:

Mr. BALL. On Saturday morning you went out to Irving again?

Mr. ROSE. Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. BALL. At this time you had a search warrant?

Mr. ROSE. Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. BALL. What did you search on this day?

Mr. ROSE. We made a search of the garage, mainly, on this day since quite a bit of Lee Oswald's property was in the garage.

Mr. BALL. What did you find there?

Mr. ROSE. Well, I found two sea bags, three suitcases, and two cardboard boxes and all of them contained numerous items of property of Oswald.

Mr. BALL. Did you find some pictures?

Mr. ROSE. Yes; I found two negatives first that showed Lee Oswald holding a rifle in his hand, wearing a pistol at his hip, and right with those negatives I found a developed picture--I don't know what you call it, but anyway a picture that had been developed from the negative of him holding this rifle, and Detective McCabe was standing there and he found the other picture--of Oswald holding the rifle.

Mr. BALL. What color were the sea bags?

Mr. ROSE. I believe they were kind of an off white--I would call them--more of a greyish-white.

Mr. BALL. What about the suitcases?

Mr. ROSE. I don't remember the color of those suitcases. I know one of them was real worn.

Mr. BALL. But you brought that property back here into town, did you?

Mr. ROSE. Yes; we did.

 

 


A scan of this document can be found on the Dallas archives website at http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/ Page 1



The following items were recovered in Irving, Texas, at 2515 West 5th Street on November 23, 1963, by Moore, Rose, and Stovall:

Blue suitcase containing:

 

Sharp shooter medal

1 bag containing some old jewelry

2 watches

1 key

Dog tag

Envelope containing some 35mm negatives

Several miscellaneous Russian books/and literature

1 grey metal box containing miscellaneous Russian literature and some slide negatives

Miscellaneous photographs and maps

Yellow envelope containing miscellaneous pictures and letters

Pamphlet on the Fair Play for Cuba Committee

1 candy box containing pictures. correspondence, and letters

1 notice of attempt to deliver mail, card dated November 20, 1963, to Mr. Lee Oswald, 2515 West 5th, Irving, Texas - a parcel to be picked up.

1 Book on Modern Postage Stamps

Miscellaneous personal papers and work receipts

1 copy of The Worker paper, dated October 20, 1963

Book containing World Atlas

Marine Corp Recruiting Depot Manual, Second Batallion, 2000 Platoon, San Diego, California.

Brown envelope containing hand written manuscripts of Lee Oswald.

 

 



In the words of Detective Guy Rose:

"Yes; I found two negatives first that showed Lee Oswald holding a rifle in his hand, wearing a pistol at his hip, and right with those negatives I found a developed picture - I don't know what you call it, but anyway a picture that had been developed from the negative of him holding this rifle, and Detective McCabe was standing there and he found the other picture - of Oswald holding the rifle." (5)

 

Unfortunately, the testimony of Detective John A. McCabe, who has been named as finding one of the most vital pieces of evidence in the investigation, was not considered of sufficient importance to be included in either the Commission Report or its Hearings. Oddly, his name does not appear on any of the property receipts for items seized during that search (6).

http://www.jfklancer.com/bymain.html

 

 

 

 

 


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October 29, 2015 at 11:54 AM Flag Quote & Reply

 

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Unless I'm missing something all roads lead to Rose. Right?

October 29, 2015 at 11:56 AM Flag Quote & Reply

 

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So, my question is when did the press or the general public or anyone else for that matter outside the FBI, DPD get to view these BYP's before the infamous edition of Time Life's front cover job on Oswald.

Putting aside, what we're told Lee said to Fritz, and what Rose testified......

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Anyone here know the answer?






 

October 30, 2015 at 7:17 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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http://www.ctka.net/2015/JeffCarterBYP1-3.html

 

 

 

In early 1964, the backyard photo identified as 133-A was sold and/or released to several newspapers and magazines, resulting in wide public dissemination, most notably on the cover of Life Magazine’s February 21 issue. The release of the photo was considered a serious breach of the Warren Commission’s confidentiality, and the FBI was tasked with investigating “how the press got hold of the photo.” The FBI responded energetically, focusing resources in numerous cities.

 

Officially, an FBI summary (CE1788) would report that Dallas Police officials Will Fritz, George Doughty, George Lumpkin and Carl Day, acknowledge multiple copies of both backyard photos were made for investigation purposes immediately after the assassination, but they knew nothing concerning the dissemination to the media. Captain Fritz would refer to information published in the March 2 edition of Newsweek, claiming that Life Magazine and the others bought their copy of the photo from representatives of Marina Oswald.

 

An internal FBI memorandum dated March 25, 1964 is far less circumspect, stating: “Based on our investigation it would appear all of the photographs emanated from the Dallas Police Department.” The Dallas Police, as the HSCA would later confirm, “made numerous copies and did not control the dissemination.” Life Magazine negotiated a price of $5000 with Marina Oswald’s business agents for the publication rights to the photo, but the photo itself came from “an enterprising young man in the Dallas Police Department.” Life had an “original copy negative” of the photo, made in Dallas. (Shaneyfelt Exhibit 10)2




Follow this with Hany Farid's garbage analysis that even though we here at ROKC have debunked Hany and the BYP's they don't seem to get the message that they have been defeated. Power Lines shadow drop kicks Hany and his appeal to authority to the curb. Much like PM has shattered the lunchroom and sith floor window stories, the power line shadows do the same here. The height is of a five footer with a square chin?
http://nypost.com/2015/10/19/another-lee-harvey-oswald-conspiracy-theory-bites-the-dust/
Are they so ignorant that they would make themselves look foolish rather than just shut up?
What does Hany get from this? Oh that is right, his own lab and bonuses, he gets to suck up to the FBI on any case that needs "special attention" like the Oswald BYP's.

November 26, 2015 at 11:10 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Mick Purdy
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Thanks Ed....

November 27, 2015 at 3:57 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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NYHT 9/26/1964
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