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Barto
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That's my book title Ed, don't be throwing that around that cheaply :P

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September 9, 2015 at 9:13 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Smee at September 8, 2015 at 2:49 AM

Stan,


Looking at the BYPs, and your comment that the background is very static, it strikes me that the original BYPs all look to me like the camera was mounted on a tripod or something - I'd be surprised if someone using the Imperial Reflex as Marina claimed she did, who'd apparently never even seen one before, would manage to get such consistency!?!? I may be wrong though as I'm no photographic expert...

Smee we have ruled out a tripod, unless that tripod was bumped an inch or so, and then was realigned but at a slightly different angular plane.
Height at which the camera was when taking the image is the key to telling if it was the IR hanging around Marina's neck ie waist level or about eye level, thus not the IR and yes perhaps a camera on a tripod.

The HSCA jokers don't say what that height really was. Seems an important number to understand the photos.

(348) Oswald himself, when shown the pictures at Dallas

Police headquarters after his arrest, insisted they were fakes.

Through the years, many critics have argued the same thing. In

part the controversy was stimulated by a 1964 Life magazine cover

of a copy of one picture, retouched to enhance its quality.

(349) If the backyard photographs are valid, they are

highly incriminating of Oswald because they apparently link him

with the murder weapon. If they are fakes, how they were

produced poses far-reaching questions in the area of conspiracy.

"Faked" backyard photographs would indicate a degree of

conspiratorial sophistication that would almost necessarily raise

the possibility that a highly organized group had conspired to

kill the President and make Oswald a "patsy."

(1) History of the Backyard Photographs

(350) In the early afternoon of November 23, 1963, Dallas

detectives obtained a warrant to search the Paine residence in

Irving, Tex., where Marina Oswald had been living. (125) The

search concentrated primarily in the garage in which possessions

of the Oswalds were stored. Among the belongings, Dallas Police

officials found a brown cardboard box containing personal papers

and photographs, including two snapshot negatives of Oswald

holding a rifle. (126) (Only one negative was made available to

the Warren Commission; the other has never been accounted for.)

(127)

 

Of course LIFE couldn't use the 133b or risk showing Black Dog  Nose Man to the world... but even 133a had the "oil spot" near the shadows head, or where 133b's shadows head was or would be. Sorry Life.

I think we all know LIFE wound up with (likely bought from a DPD officer) the other negative 133A, used it for its cover and then claimed ignorance. (They should have to answer for that) The HSCA should have asked the LIFE boys how they took a print and made it better than the other negative. Those LIFE boys must have been photographic geniuses!  Heck they were so good they could probably fake a photo...oops I mean "recreate the scene."





For all we know it was Tippit in those BYP's and he had to take a dirt nap so as not to spill the beans.  :lol:
Whom do we know who is a short guy 5' - 5'3",  a news reader and gun enthusiast in '63 Dallas?


All the photos could have been taken with the IR but that doesn't make it LHO's camera.
The film could have been wound through the IR, without taking any photos, and used in a film holder to protect it when taking the photos in another camera. Thus creating the scratches, a mat would create the edge markings to match up with the IR's irregularities, an empty background image would supply that shape necessary for making the overlay edge mat.
Or the end of a roll was in the IR, film was wound and not all frames exposed, those remaining frames were then used as above.

A few more possibilities are possible,,,, later

So newpapers are wrong size, gun is wrong sized, and Lee is wrong size, except his head which is same in all pics... but them pics are not forgeries  :roll:  

ASK NOT IF THE PHOTOS ARE REAL, ASK WHERE ARE THE REAL PHOTOS ~ JFK (sorta)

September 9, 2015 at 9:49 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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Barto at September 9, 2015 at 9:13 AM

That's my book title Ed, don't be throwing that around that cheaply :P

The Twilight Zone Maybe?
Hmm not too catchy a banner Bart.

Oh you mean Only The Shadow Knows. 

Most folks arent old enough to have listened to that radio show or know what the hell were talking about.
I'd change it to Only the Buell Knows

:lol:

September 9, 2015 at 10:01 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Barto
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Harold Weisberg on the BYP esp. on the weapons.

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/P%20Disk/Pictures%20Assassination/Item%2006.pdf

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September 10, 2015 at 8:33 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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While musing over the power line shadows (moving down when on the post and closer to the camera when on the ground) as compared to the inconsistent lengthening of LHO's (fake) shadow, my dyslexia kicked in and for a somewhat panicky moment I thought I had it backwards; the lowering shadows on the post meant the shadow should grow longer because time was passing from the past into future, like it’s supposed to do. It’s kind of intuitive to think about the shadows that way. Then I came back to my senses and relaxed.

 

Then I wondered, did the darkroom artist who did this slip up like I did? Was he kind of musing to himself, shadows moving down on the post, sun moving down in the sky, and everybody knows shadows grow longer later in the day, so I’ll make his shadow grow longer too? Certainly he fucked it up for some reason. Maybe he was dyslexic too!

 


September 10, 2015 at 10:06 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jake
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http://www.c-span.org/video/?154212-1/book-discussion-photo-fakery


Dino Brugioni's presentation in 2000 for his book Photo Fakery. It's been unwatchable on CSPAN for several years now (for me at least) due to an old format that they used. I check once in a while and now it's apparently been updated. He touches on BYP, but only slightly. Many of the points he made for other photos can be considered when looking at the BYP's though. 


For example I'm pretty sure there is a cat crouched at the base of the post in one of the photos (I hope somebody else can see the cat :) ) .  Judging by the position of its head, the cat is focused upon something back toward the the base of the picket fence . Anyway, most cats focus on the feet of anyone nearby because that's the living entity at their eye level, also the feet are the things that might step on them, so they are typically monitoring that pretty closely. It seems like the cat doesn't know there is a person standing nearby. Cause and effect is one of the items Brugioni identifies. If there are helicopters in the sky over people's heads and nobody is looking up, it's an indication.


September 11, 2015 at 12:37 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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September 13, 2015 at 2:23 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jake
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LOL Ed. I do appreciate that effort. :)  I should have done this when I first brought it up. If you zoom in on it, then I think it's a cat. It disappears in the other two photos, so I guess it went off to have a bowl of milk or something. 


September 13, 2015 at 8:56 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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Gotcha Jake,
Its what I called the blanket used to carry the rifle to the location.
Its in all the photos as I use the shadow on it to note how that shadow remains the same. notchy shadow is there in all three photos, a little lighter in one but same shape can be seen. Those are and odd series of images no matter the animal content.
Sorry though better images shows the kitty is an inanimate object, I had to find a crappy one to begin to see a cat though.
:lol:

September 13, 2015 at 8:45 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Jake
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Ed Ledoux at September 13, 2015 at 8:45 PM

Gotcha Jake,
Its what I called the blanket used to carry the rifle to the location.
Its in all the photos as I use the shadow on it to note how that shadow remains the same. notchy shadow is there in all three photos, a little lighter in one but same shape can be seen. Those are and odd series of images no matter the animal content.
Sorry though better images shows the kitty is an inanimate object, I had to find a crappy one to begin to see a cat though.
:lol:

Yep, went off in search of a better image, found one, it's a blanket or fabric wadded up. Thanks for correcting me Ed. No sense in carrying on with wrong ideas.


Terry clearly showed these photos are fake anyway by pointing out that the wire shadows are traveling the wrong way in relation to the lengthening, alleged shadow of LHO. Brilliant that he spotted that when no one else has. That should make headlines being as it is earth shaking in its implications. For now though, there remains that unbelievable silence.

September 13, 2015 at 10:30 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Terry Martin
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Thanks, Jake.


What amazes me is the number of people that have spent hours, days, years looking at the photos and no one has mentioned it before. That's what's really weird.

September 14, 2015 at 8:46 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Jake
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Terry Martin at September 14, 2015 at 8:46 AM

Thanks, Jake.


What amazes me is the number of people that have spent hours, days, years looking at the photos and no one has mentioned it before. That's what's really weird.

I imagine it's because very few people ever recognized them as shadows of wires. Power lines are in fixed, or at the least, in highly restrained positions in space. Tree branches are far more subject to breezes and the swaying movements a breeze can cause to the entire tree. So, if they thought of them as shadows of tree branches, then no one gave them the kind of thought where movements of the shadows are solely dependent upon the movement of the sun. It wasn't fixed in space in their minds and apparently even so in the mind of whoever faked the photos.

September 14, 2015 at 10:47 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Lest we forget and in case the current hyperbolic warp-edos aimed at PM are actually a smoke screen for distracting from the smoking sun shining in the backyard photos that Terry discovered using his supreme photoanlytical skills: The shadows of the power wires on the ground are moving in precisely the opposite direction to the direction that they should be moving as PM's shadow grows longer. Talk about warping space and time!  :) Oh wait, it's a woman in the back yard so it can't be PM.

September 18, 2015 at 3:36 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Jake at September 18, 2015 at 3:36 PM

Lest we forget and in case the current hyperbolic warp-edos aimed at PM are actually a smoke screen for distracting from the smoking sun shining in the backyard photos that Terry discovered using his supreme photoanlytical skills: The shadows of the power wires on the ground are moving in precisely the opposite direction to the direction that they should be moving as PM's shadow grows longer. Talk about warping space and time!  :) Oh wait, it's a woman in the back yard so it can't be PM.

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September 18, 2015 at 3:51 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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More BS from mainstream media .......rehashed garbage.

Wired.co.uk‎

3D analysis provides sudden Kennedy assassination breakthrough


http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-10/19/lee-harvey-oswald-photo-real





October 20, 2015 at 11:34 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Mick Purdy at October 20, 2015 at 11:34 PM

More BS from mainstream media .......rehashed garbage.

Wired.co.uk‎

3D analysis provides sudden Kennedy assassination breakthrough


http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-10/19/lee-harvey-oswald-photo-real





http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/john-f-kennedys-assassination-photo-showing-lee-harvey-oswald-with-gun-used-to-kill-former-president-a6699751.html


More from the lazy media..............

October 21, 2015 at 1:34 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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What's really hilarious about this "study" is that they took only ONE of the complaints and refuted it... whether the pose Oswald struck was implausible. Sure the 3D modeling can show it WAS plausible but cannot refute the other complaints about the picture.

 

It's like the blind men and the elephant.

 

And worse even id that this study is not NEW, it was done in 2009 fer chrissakes!

 

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October 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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According to Wesley Liebeler's memo from Sept 9th 1964, page 3



It is interesting to noto that the conclusion to the

ownership section, on pogo 32, states that "a photograph ta:cn in

the yard of Oswald's apartment showed him holding this rifle."

That statement appears in the conclusion in spite of tho fact that

Shancyfolt specifically testified that ho could not make a positive

identification of the rifle that Oswald was holding in the picture

and in spite of the fact that the Commission was not' able to conclude,

in the discussion of this subjecti on page 31, that Oswald was holding

the assassination weapon in the picture.


http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/Weisberg%20Subject%20Index%20Files/L%20Disk/Liebeler%20Wesley%20J/Liebeler%20Wesley%20J%20Memoranda/Item%2002.pdf


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October 21, 2015 at 9:43 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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Terry Martin at October 21, 2015 at 8:56 AM

What's really hilarious about this "study" is that they took only ONE of the complaints and refuted it... whether the pose Oswald struck was implausible. Sure the 3D modeling can show it WAS plausible but cannot refute the other complaints about the picture.

 

It's like the blind men and the elephant.

 

And worse even id that this study is not NEW, it was done in 2009 fer chrissakes!

 

Isn't that the infuriating part of this Terry.

2009, My Lordy the lazy lazy media. The story sprung up in one outlet and before you know it it's plastered all over the place as a "new" break through. 

This is what we;re up against. Lazy blinkered narrow minded people who cannot see reason. 

They follow the crowd, but that just maybe our good fortune.....

We only need one to take up the PM cause in mainstream and the others will follow.



October 21, 2015 at 8:22 PM Flag Quote & Reply

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Robert and Patricia Hester, of the National Photo Labs in Dallas, Texas processed pictures for the FBI the evening of November 22, 1963. Mr. and Mrs. Hester told Jim Marrs, author of "Crossfire", that the FBI had the "backyard photos" that evening, the day before those photos were "found" by the Dallas Police in Ruth Paine's garage. They further said that the FBI had a color transparency of one of the photos and a picture of the backyard with no one in the picture.

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