REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

This may be a tad too busy, but I wanted to see how the other image of interest looked juxtaposed to these.

This changes by the hour, but right now I like #9, assuming the mystery image is indeed JD.

Apart from the ears, no8 looks good. 

Number 8 would be my choice too.

If the mystery image is Jack I can't help but notice his resemblence to our mate Larry Crafard.  I'm going to sell the title of Larry & Jack to John Armstrong.

Seriously though, he does look like LC.

Serious question. Would the operation to have your ears pinned back be available back then?.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otoplasty

BTW: I think the ears are quite a match.

steely dan at March 29, 2015 at 6:22 PM

Serious question. Would the operation to have your ears pinned back be available back then?.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otoplasty

It seems to me that everyone's ears stick out a bit too far. Is that a common condition among the young?

I looked at some of my younger shots (as well as those of my kids) and their ears are all a little further pronounced than they are today. Anybody else have anything like that?

Lee Farley at March 29, 2015 at 6:47 PM

BTW: I think the ears are quite a match.

Yes they both stick out equally. From behind this kid must have looked like a Hackney cab with both doors open.

Yeah it appears 6 is Jackson "Jack" Temple Daugherty and he is 17 in the pic, speaks French and plays in the band.

Our Jack may not have been in French club or Band.  And I think this is the case.


The Jack Dougherty the shows up in the 1939 yearbook is in the 1942 class as a freshman.
This would make him a new Dougherty to the school and not our Jack.
This means the 1939-42 Jacks's are this new kid whom happens to be called the same name and comes along at the perfect time to fill a missing Jack Dougherty Jack Daugherty void....
A Jane Dougherty also shows up in 1938 as a Junior, likely the new kids older sister.

I've lost track of this thread.  Need more coffee obviously - - or a quick summary.  I struggle with this sort of stuff that accompanies numbers

Stan Dane at March 29, 2015 at 5:44 PM

This may be a tad too busy, but I wanted to see how the other image of interest looked juxtaposed to these.

 

 

This changes by the hour, but right now I like #9, assuming the mystery image is indeed JD.

 

I agree number 9. The eyes, nose, mouth, ears and shape of the head all look right. Although #8 looks more like the younger looking soldier and #9 looks more like the older looking soldier.

steely dan at March 29, 2015 at 7:00 PM

Lee Farley at March 29, 2015 at 6:47 PM

BTW: I think the ears are quite a match.

Yes they both stick out equally. From behind this kid must have looked like a Hackney cab with both doors open.

Yeah you know you have big ears when you turn side ways and folks can still see both

Ok Number 8 aka Big Ears was actually the one I thought a 13-14 year old Redfern might look like.

Number six is not RM Moore, thought it was him or Bob Senning but they are not listed in the club.

I went through all the names and photos and pulled all the girls names like Ulysee, yes a girl, and was left with this list.
The males in this photo are, (Numbers are just for enumeration and do not correspond to the anotated picture)

1) Billy Abbe

2) James Chase

3) Jack Dougherty

4) Ed Huffman

5) Edward Hufstedler

6) Douglas Jones

7) Albert Long

8 James Pierce

9) Frank Walden

10) Earl Williams

11) Roland Jackson

12) Bob Gill

Twelve names and eleven faces...
Someone was absent!  Maybe Jack!!!

Lee Farley at March 29, 2015 at 6:05 PM

Number 8 would be my choice too.

If the mystery image is Jack I can't help but notice his resemblence to our mate Larry Crafard.  I'm going to sell the title of Larry & Jack to John Armstrong.

Seriously though, he does look like LC.

This has been a fun thread.
Even through I hoed through the old Sundial again she did give up more info than we had last time.
I know we all have poked at this for years, geez I started back on Lancer.

Now that we have a narrowed the males to under a dozen, I will send the picture to a classmate and see if they can take the names and faces and give me a clue as to JD.

Don't cross no fingers...

Lee Farley at March 30, 2015 at 4:07 AM

I've lost track of this thread.  Need more coffee obviously - - or a quick summary.  I struggle with this sort of stuff that accompanies numbers

No worries Lee!

Jackson "Jack" Temple Daugherty is in band and french club, we only know this because he graduated and it is in his senior bio.
Our Jack is not in this picture.
I thought 6 was Daugherty but that was because I had 7 pegged as another bloke.
But that fellow, Bob Senning is not in the club.
I strongly suggest #7 is Jack Daugherty with an A and he graduated in the next year in '37.  aka Jackson Temple Daugherty.

Summary is that,
Our Jack was not in French Club or Band. That was Jackson Temple Daugherty.
Our Jack is not in the large class photo for the class of '37 in the 1936 yearbook. That is Temple.
...both are spelled wrong with an O instead of an correct A.


Is there no Jack Dougherty in the yearbooks that would or could be our Jack Dougherty?
No picture exists in the rolls of Sunset High Sundial.

Could it be another "Jack" whom was in the yearbooks that shows up when our JD would have left and had entered the service? 
Only if he is in the ROTC and 1940 Company D photo as a private. This could be another Jack.
He goes into the Coast Guard and is noted on the Rolls of Honor.

Here are all the D boys, "Jack" Daugherty(Coastie) Redfern Daugherty and Temple J. Dougherty. This is from '45 and is the same in the '44 book.

Note that Temple is listed as in the USCG!  We know that is false or a mistake.
This could mean the Jack Daugherty shown above to be in the USCG could be a mistake too, and leaves the possibilty it is our Jack.
In '43 yearbook there is no Temple listed in the USCG but a Jack is listed. This could still be Temple. And until another Jack Dougherty/Daugherty came along they could call Temple his nickname Jack, But when the other D boy graduated in '44 (1940-1944) he would cause the Sundial to call
Jack Daugherty by his full name Temple J. Daugherty to avoid confusion. IMO

I can show that a Jack Dougherty was in the 1939 yearbook, and listed as a member of the Class of '42, he was a Freshman.
This is the other Jack that conflicts with our search. He likely left early and entered the Coasties

QUESTION
How did our Jack show the military enlistment board he had 4 years of high school?
It is in his records!
Was this a lie?
Did he confuse the board too? Did he use the Jackson Temple Daugherty grads info?
He did wait till '42, by then every male worth a lick had signed up already, and Uncle Sam was hot for new recruits by then.
They would have taken our Jack if he had not completed high school.
Lots of GI's came home and finished school or got a GED. Many left school in 1940-41 to join.
So no reason to need a diploma to enter, no reason to have 4 years HS on his enlistment record if it was not true.
What would be gained? If he was ROTC, etc. then he could enter as a PFC.
Did some records get shuffled when requested from Sunset by the board?
Something is amiss with Jack's info and these yearbooks, I hope I nailed it down.

Ted Monroe Callaway is in the '42 yearbook as a senior, he gives no hints he will join the Marines. No ROTC, but he was in the physical develoment club
He was born a couple weeks after our Jack Dougherty, on Aug 26 1923.
Ted if he were still alive could have told us exactly whom JD was.
http://www.coverthistory.blogspot.com/2005/10/ted-callaway-dallas-native-saw-oswald.html

Final Note,
The year books are useless to get a picture of a Jack Dougherty born in 1923.

Ed Ledoux at March 29, 2015 at 4:35 PM

Stan Dane at March 28, 2015 at 12:00 PM

Ed:

 

I found the same yearbook on ancestry.com and zoomed in their image of the page. The vertical red denotes where I cropped out the middle so to get all of the boys' faces together and zoomed up; kept your number layout.

 

Another view of this.

 

 

Sweet! Thanks Stan.
Now a mug shot of each compared to the class pictures from 1933-43 is what I have in my head.
Since we only know what his brother Redfern looks like a mugshot next to each is better...
None look like any of our known JD's, at least not outright. Maybe 6 has a look like Redfern? Of course 6 could be Jackson Temple Daugherty?
By process of elemination I can go through and just about name them all since pouring over the books and every classmate.
Throw out # 7 R Moore I believe.



1 looks just like the guy in the SW sixth floor window...creeeepy.
Anyways JD if that is whom is in this photo would be 13 in 1936
Would that favor a front row candidate?

ED,

You are a freak my friend, and I mean that in the nicest possible way.

I am in awe!

#8-flattened nose? mouth sameness?

Not sure

I agree with Mick. Number eight was the one I picked out before reading Mick's contribution.

In reading the PM thread over at ED, I saw where Jack Dougherty was described by Roy Truly as being a “great big husky fellow.”

And didn't Truly also say he was "a retard"?

I don't know, Stan, if we can trust Truly to speak truly. He lies like a rug so much that I would like to see someone else describe the guy. For all we know, JD could really be about 5'-1" like many are claiming PM was.

So far, I don't know if we have anything we can definitively peg as JD. I haven't found any pictures of him yet.

BTW - great work on the pics for this thread as well as the PM stuff. You certainly ROKC!

Could JD be number 5 he is hiding a bit behind number 6 ? also i think he is what you would call a good looking guy isn´t he ? 

Maybe he got shell shocked in the army and back then nobody was talking about a man that maybe had lost his nerves in the war, they were supporting him youknow in a small way, atleast that is what I have heard from over here in Europe when the war was over and the people went back to their old buisness, they did not talk about it but everybody knew that f.ex. JD had gotten shellshocked or some other incident in the war ?

In his testemoni he sounds lika he has problems with remembering what he did some days ago but he has no problems at work filling orders and such, if the day was structred as it was in the army and at most workingplaces back then, maybe he even had Aspergers  ?