REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

For those who are unaware, during an interview with author Ian Griggs in 1996, Johnny Calvin Brewer claimed that on the day of the assassination (when he allegedly observed Oswald duck into the lobby of his shoe store) there were two men from IBM in the store with him:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=16235&search=two_men+from+IBM+JCB#relPageId=9&tab=page

Brewer also indicated to the Warren Commission that there were others with him in the store:

Mr. BELIN - I want to take you back to November 22, 1963. This was the day that President Kennedy was assassinated. How did you find out about the assassination, Mr. Brewer?

Mr. BREWER - We were listening to a transistor radio there in the store, just listening to a regular radio program, and they broke in with the bulletin that the President had been shot. And from then, that is all there was. We listened to all of the events.

As far as I am aware, neither one of these men ever came forward to identify themselves. It has long been my suspicion that their purpose in the store was to somehow get Brewer to call the DPD down to the Theater to ensure Oswald was arrested and framed for Tippit’s murder. So who were these men? Lee Farley once made a very good case for one of the IBM men being the mysterious and suspicious Igor Vaganov. See the following for info on Vaganov:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?s=9f766cc368bcb5bc5207176e20d1061a&showtopic=7312&page=1

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=118224&search=International_trouble+shooter+IBM#relPageId=51&tab=page

I believe that the other IBM man might have been Robert Radelat/Radelet. Radelat/Radelet was a member of the Civil Air Patrol. According to Frederick O’Sullivan (who joined the CAP in 1953), Radelat/Radelet was employed by IBM in November, 1963. David Ferrie told the FBI that from 1954 to 1955, Radelat/Radelet was a Cadet Executive officer for the CAP:

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10477#relPageId=343&tab=page

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10477#relPageId=297&tab=page

The reason why I suspect Radelat/Radelet might have been the other IBM man, is because he knew David Ferrie and evidently knew Oswald when Oswald joined the CAP in July, 1955; and that at the time of the assassination, the TSBD was owned by a co-founder of the CAP (David Harold Byrd). What I also find interesting is the information contained in the following article by Robert E. Doran:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=16254&search=Bill_Stage+hypnotist+Dallas+Air+force+base#relPageId=15&tab=page

Doran writes that two of his Air Force “buddies” were hypnotised by a professional stage hypnotist from Dallas named “Bill” who was brought along by a mysterious IBM instructor. The reason I find this interesting is because William Crowe (aka Bill DeMar), who was the master of ceremonies at the Carousel Club, was evidently involved with hypnosis. I recall Greg Parker once discussing at google groups the possibility that DeMar had hypnotised Jack Ruby to shoot Oswald (sorry if I have got that wrong, Greg). DeMar told the Warren Commission that he arrived back at the Carousel Club around November 1, 1963:

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=51&search=Mr._CROWE.+About+the+1st+of+November.#relPageId=108&tab=page

In the thread “My latest essay” at this forum, I discussed a number of very interesting “coincidences” which occurred on or around that particular day. What’s also interesting is that Bernard Weissman (of the black border ad fame) told the Warren Commission that he arrived in Dallas on November 4, 1963:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40&search=in_Dallas+on+the+4th+of+November+1963#relPageId=499&tab=page

As we can see, Weissman arrived in Dallas around the same time as Bill DeMar claims he did. In my essay “Who was behind the assassination?” I discussed the likelihood that the purpose of the black border ad (with the Jewish Weissman’s name on it) was to give the impression that the Jews were behind the assassination. I believe that is also a reason why Jack Ruby (someone of Jewish ancestry) was chosen to kill Oswald; to make it look like they were part of a Jewish conspiracy to kill the President and that Ruby killed Oswald to prevent Oswald from implicating him (Ruby) in the conspiracy. See under the subheading “Blaming the Jews” in my aforementioned essay for more.

DeMar also claimed that he saw Oswald in the Carousel club about one week before the assassination. Although he said that he didn’t think Ruby knew Oswald, I think he just said this so people wouldn’t suspect that he was deliberately trying to connect Oswald to Ruby:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_WdNKIcjUs

Whilst some might say that DeMar simply confused Larry Crafard for Oswald, I don’t think this was the case. I think he was deliberately trying to give the impression that Oswald and Ruby knew each other before the assassination. Was DeMar the stage hypnotist Robert E. Doran wrote about? I believe he was. Was there a connection between the mysterious IBM instructor Doran wrote about and Johnny Brewer’s shoe store? I don’t know, but I have a feeling there was.

P.S. The real credit goes to Greg Parker with regards to the Weissman/DeMar connection, because I am certain he discussed this at google groups.

More info here:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2342

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=660

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6397

Hasan, what got me thinking about DeMar was firstly, there seems to have been a concerted effort to hide that fact that his act included hypnotism. But that word appeared on an advertizing poster found in Zoppi's office. The other thing was that he had been a performer in the army, including a tour of Germany. The army was known to have used stage hypnotists in their mind control/interrogation research and experiments.

I confirmed his act included hypnotism many years ago by emailing him under a psuedonym and telling him I was just beginning as a stage magician and wanted to include hypnotism in the act. Could he give me some advice? He responded by trying to sell me all of his "how to" videos including ones on hypnotism. iirc he also actually stated it used to be part of his stage repertoire. 

I have set a lot of that old research aside. I intend to revisit it when I get to that part of the book. I'll put it all through the rince cycle again and see if it still fits...

Greg at February 19, 2016 at 6:34 AM

Hasan, what got me thinking about DeMar was firstly, there seems to have been a concerted effort to hide that fact that his act included hypnotism. But that word appeared on an advertizing poster found in Zoppi's office. The other thing was that he had been a performer in the army, including a tour of Germany. The army was known to have used stage hypnotists in their mind control/interrogation research and experiments.

I confirmed his act included hypnotism many years ago by emailing him under a psuedonym and telling him I was just beginning as a stage magician and wanted to include hypnotism in the act. Could he give me some advice? He responded by trying to sell me all of his "how to" videos including ones on hypnotism. iirc he also actually stated it used to be part of his stage repertoire. 

I have set a lot of that old research aside. I intend to revisit it when I get to that part of the book. I'll put it all through the rince cycle again and see if it still fits...

Thanks, Greg. I think your research into DeMar is highly valuable, and IIRC, that is what got me hooked onto the idea that some of those involved in the conspiracy wanted to make it appear as though the Jews were behind the assassination. 

Now this is interesting:

R. Ted Smith

An executive with IBM in 1963, Smith was acquainted with H.L. Hunt, H. Ross Perot, and other community leaders. Smith saw the Kennedy motorcade on Main Street. Recorded April 19, 2013.

http://www.jfk.org/the-collections/oral-history/oral-history-topics/

Once again Hasan and Greg, you are the men!

Wow is all I'll say for now, but this interests me greatly. Brewer comes across as dodgy as all get out in my opinion. His testimony, his statements his interviews over the years, all don't ring true. I think there is a hell of a lot of smoke here maybe even enough for a fire to burn.

I think you maybe right Hasan, Its very possible Brewer was employed to ignite the reason for the search inside the Texas theatre.

Another great thread!

Mick Purdy at February 19, 2016 at 8:13 PM

Once again Hasan and Greg, you are the men!

Wow is all I'll say for now, but this interests me greatly. Brewer comes across as dodgy as all get out in my opinion. His testimony, his statements his interviews over the years, all don't ring true. I think there is a hell of a lot of smoke here maybe even enough for a fire to burn.

I think you maybe right Hasan, Its very possible Brewer was employed to ignite the reason for the search inside the Texas theatre.

Another great thread!

Thanks Mick but both Hasan and Lee have done more on this than I have. I do agree -- the official story is crap. 

Arresting cops and interrogators all say Lee was mentally as cool and sharp as can be. 

And for the sake of argument since it forms part of the official narrative, we'll throw in Baker as saying he was "cool"

But whose description does Brewer's match? None othan Mary Bledsoe's. And we all know Bledsoe's description was BS because Oswald was never on the bus. It's extremely doubtful he was in Brewer's doorway either.

Mick Purdy at February 19, 2016 at 8:13 PM

Once again Hasan and Greg, you are the men!

Wow is all I'll say for now, but this interests me greatly. Brewer comes across as dodgy as all get out in my opinion. His testimony, his statements his interviews over the years, all don't ring true. I think there is a hell of a lot of smoke here maybe even enough for a fire to burn.

I think you maybe right Hasan, Its very possible Brewer was employed to ignite the reason for the search inside the Texas theatre.

Another great thread!

Thanks, Mick. The research by Greg and Lee have been a huge inspiration to my own. No one has had more influence on my research than they have. To elaborate, what I think might have happened is that one or both of the IBM men told Brewer that they had seen a man sneak into the Theater (after Oswald was already inside) holding a gun in his hand; and then told him that he should alert Julia Postal to call the cops down to the Theater whilst they minded the store for him. I have long suspected that Brewer was some sort of an FBI snitch. This belief is based partly on the fact that just three blocks away running his own shoe store was FBI super snitch, William James Lowery. I think it is entirely possible (and even likely) that Lowery and Brewer knew each other.  

This is Robert Radelat's interview with the FBI:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10647&search=Radelat#relPageId=23&tab=page

He denied knowing Oswald, and there was no mention of what his current occupation was (probably for good reason). I believe he is the author of the following article:

http://theadvocate.com/news/opinion/13392407-171/letters-instead-of-removing-confederate

Hasan Yusuf at February 20, 2016 at 2:56 AM

Mick Purdy at February 19, 2016 at 8:13 PM

Once again Hasan and Greg, you are the men!

Wow is all I'll say for now, but this interests me greatly. Brewer comes across as dodgy as all get out in my opinion. His testimony, his statements his interviews over the years, all don't ring true. I think there is a hell of a lot of smoke here maybe even enough for a fire to burn.

I think you maybe right Hasan, Its very possible Brewer was employed to ignite the reason for the search inside the Texas theatre.

Another great thread!

Thanks, Mick. The research by Greg and Lee have been a huge inspiration to my own. No one has had more influence on my research than they have. To elaborate, what I think might have happened is that one or both of the IBM men told Brewer that they had seen a man sneak into the Theater (after Oswald was already inside) holding a gun in his hand; and then told him that he should alert Julia Postal to call the cops down to the Theater whilst they minded the store for him. I have long suspected that Brewer was some sort of an FBI snitch. This belief is based partly on the fact that just three blocks away running his own shoe store was FBI super snitch, William James Lowery. I think it is entirely possible (and even likely) that Lowery and Brewer knew each other.  

Thanks for that Hasan,

It's funny but Greg and Lee particularly are responsible for my interest too. They have presented solid cases for most of the untouchables in this case. The theatre is extremely important to my mind in trying to understand how it was that 15 plus police officers all of varying rank descended upon the TT with an aim to arrest the reportedly "suspicious" man inside.

Postal in my view hasn't a clue, her testimony bears that out. Her testimony especially seems coached to corrroborate Brewers version. Even then their stories are a chasm apart really. I believe that Postal saw nothing. Zip! 

Your analysis, in my opinion is spot on. It also means those three would've been close to a phone assuming the shop had one of course. Its possible thats what the three were doing, waiting by the phone. IMO.

I still firmly believe that its entirely possible that BWF had driven Oswald to the theatre and dropped him at the front entrance. Speculation of course but very possible.

As you've stated previously the unidentified man in the theatre witnessed by Aplin (?) could certainly have been BWF.

I still firmly believe that its entirely possible that BWF had driven Oswald to the theatre and dropped him at the front entrance. Speculation of course but very possible.

So do I, Mick. If Frazier did drop him off at the Theater, then I think he certainly had foreknowledge of the assassination. I can't envision a scenario where Frazier (if he didn't have foreknowledge) hears the shots and sees the commotion then turns around to Oswald and says "well, come on, we're going to the Texas Theater. Pop corn and Coke is on me." IMO, it isn't a coincidence that Brewer was chosen to get the cops to storm the Theater. The fact that he was a shoe store owner just three blocks away from another shoe store owner who just happened to be an FBI informant who was informing on Joe Molina is the key.

There is the report of a man with a shotgun or rifle over his arm entering the TT. Can't seem to locate the reference,

Oh wait here it is!  @ 1:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?lc=6QTFc3g-rj45z4z8jeX5o61VFCB4WT5tE2_hHJnVqDU&v=3yO-ko-gDDo

Now where did Ron get this report?

This was from memory phoned in and may or may not have been Postal's description. Another caller? IBM'ers?
This would account for the highly charged response!!

As for the surrounding of the theater by police based on description of a young man sneaking into the movies, that is shaky. Surrounding the Library was based on "Feds" seeing a person run into that building. (Of note this was witnessed by Cecil McWatters as his bus stopped at the intersection.)

IBM'ers
Two oral histories are at SFM,

Peggy Madsen

A Dallas native, Madsen was a secretary at IBM in 1963. Her daughter, a student at the University of North Texas, asked Madsen to pick her up on campus because she was so upset following the assassination. Recorded April 26, 2013.

R. Ted Smith

An executive with IBM in 1963, Smith was acquainted with H.L. Hunt, H. Ross Perot, and other community leaders. Smith saw the Kennedy motorcade on Main Street. Recorded April 19, 2013.

Who wants to go to the SFM and listen?



Julia Postal selling a ticket!
I enlarged the ticket. (inset right)

Is that an automatic ticket dispensiing machine? Does it stamp a ticket with any information? Date. Time. Movie.... or is it a generic ticket perhaps numbered? And thus Julia knew she sold 24 tickets, and there were supposedly 25 patrons.
But only a list of patrons would tell us that.

Don Jeffries, on Oct 20 2008, 01:00 AM, said:

... One other question concerning the identities of the other movie patrions in the theater that day; has anyone ever come forth to publicize their being in attendance there, using their ticket stubs as proof? I would think that such a ticket stub would be very valuable to collectors, if not to any participants in a real investigation. Have any such stubs ever appeared, on Ebay or elsewhere?

Duke Lane Posted 20 October 2008 - 04:22 PM

I've never heard of such a thing, but that's hardly to say that it hasn't happened or that these folks haven't got their stubs in a frame on their mantlepiece either.

Think of the hundreds of people who were at the Trade Mart for the luncheon that never took place: occasionally, someone will trot out their invitation to it, but it's been a relative few in terms of the number of people who were there. Proportionately speaking, we might never expect anyone to come up with such an item of memorabilia, especially since it seems unlikely that it would have been dated.

Another interesting aspect of that, for the sake of saying so, is that it seems equally unlikely that anyone would believe the person who came forward with such an item (and especially if it wasn't dated!). I've spoken to a couple of people - one of them was in a lineup with Oswald, another says he was outside the theater when Oswald was brought out (and who disputes the "angry mob" several people claim to have seen or encountered) - whose own families don't believe them. In the case of the former, it's easy enough to prove just getting a copy of the Report (at least, I think the names of the other "suspects" are there; certainly in testimony); in the latter, I'm still supposed to find the guy a photo of people outside the theater since he thinks he might've been in it. He was also a school chum of Butch Burroughs.

It does look like a distinctive type ticket. Does anyone have a pic or one hanging on there wall? Like these;

 



This was the same thread,

Lee Oswald’s Departure from the TSBD

Started by Alaric Rosman, Mar 18 2008 08:47 AM

Greg asked if the two schools whom had let out due to JFK being killed, would lead us to some of those twelve kids in the balcony

https://issuu.com/shawnpaulstewart/docs/confession_of_oswald


And of course your parting gift a bit of Postal,

Mr. BALL. Why didn't Warren Burroughs see him get in, get in there? Do

you have any idea?

Mrs. POSTAL. We talked about that, and the concession stand is along

here, and if he came in on the other end, which we summarized that is

what Oswald did, because the steps, immediately as you open the door

there. It has been done before with kids trying to sneak in, run right

on up in the balcony.

Mr. BALL. You asked Warren Burroughs why he didn't see him. did you?

Mrs. POSTAL. Yes; we kidded him quite a bit anyway, because some

people do then get by him.

Mr. BALL. What did he say?

Mrs. POSTAL. Ah, he said at first that he had seen him, and I says,

"Now, Butch, if you saw him come in----" says, "Well, I saw him going

out." But he didn't really see him. So, he just summarized that he ran

up in the balcony, because if he had come through the foyer, Butch

would have seen him.

Mr. BALL. He was arrested, though, down in the orchestra,...

Cheers!

There is the report of a man with a shotgun or rifle over his arm entering the TT. Can't seem to locate the reference,

Oh wait here it is! @ 1:11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?lc=6QTFc3g-rj45z4z8jeX5o61VFCB4WT5tE2_hHJnVqDU&v=3yO-ko-gDDo

Now where did Ron get this report?

This was from memory phoned in and may or may not have been Postal's description. Another caller? IBM'ers?

This would account for the highly charged response!!

Who knows where he got it from, Ed. He might have stuffed up like when he said the wallet being examined at the Tippit murder scene belonged to Tippit. Just sayin...

This whole idea of Robert Radelat as one of the IBM men in Brewer’s shoe store is really beginning to fascinate me. There was a Guido Radelat from Cuba who was a member of the anti-Castro organisation, JURE, and who “specialized in writing computer programs.”

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=91781&search=Guido_Radelat#relPageId=31&tab=page

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/01/AR2010080103221_2.html

So we have Robert Radelat who it is said was working for IBM in November, 1963, and we have a Guido Radelat who was a member of an anti-Castro organisation who “specialized in writing computer programs.” Were they related? I sure would like to find out if they were. Let’s keep in mind that Sylvia Odio said that the two Cubans who showed up with the American, “Leon” (whom Greg and I suspect might have been Herbert Leon Lee) in late September, 1963, were members of JURE. Therefore, it’s possible that one of the two men was Guido Radelat.

I once put forward the idea that Herbert Lee and his friend, James Douglas Watson (who was supposedly living with Lee at the 1026 North Beckley rooming house), were involved with Jack Ruby and Larry Crafard in gun running. Interestingly, a Thomas J. Watson had served as chairman of IBM from 1914 to 1956. His son, Thomas J. Watson Jr., evidently took over his father’s role about a month before his father’s death.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_J._Watson#Head_of_IBM

I think it would be nice to know if James Douglas Watson was somehow related to these guys. Another thing to keep in mind about the whole gun running angle (which Greg has also discussed) is that when Nancy Perrin Rich testified before the Warren Commission, she said that she had been involved with IBM, but then tried to retract that claim by saying that she made a “misquotation.”

http://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=50&search=Mrs_Rich+IBM#relPageId=345&tab=page

As many of us probably know, Rich told the Warren Commission that she was involved with Jack Ruby in gun running. Was she trying to hide something when she said that she made a “misquotation?” It sure seems that way to me.

From the book Where Were You?America Remembers the JFK Assassination.

About ninety steps from the movie theater where Oswald sought refuge after killing both President Kennedy and Officer J. D. Tippit, twentytwo-year-old John Brewer was managing Hardy’s Shoe Store. Listening to reports about the assassination, he learned about Tippit’s murder just blocks away. After Oswald walked down Jefferson Boulevard and ducked into the theater, Brewer alerted police, who quickly came and arrested the assassin.

JOHN BREWER: I had noticed this guy as he walked into the window area of our storefront, and I thought it was pretty strange that somebody would be shopping for shoes with all the commotion going on and the police cars going by. Then I said, “I know this guy from somewhere.I recognize him.” But mainly it was his actions and his trying to avoid any part of what was going on out here that caught my attention. I was listening to the radio, knowing a policeman had been shot; they’d give a description, but instantly, when he walked into the recessed area, it was like, I’ve seen him somewhere before. I couldn’t place where.

What led me to pursue him wasn’t so much that I’d seen him before but the way he was acting—hiding himself from all the police cars that were converging at the Tenth and Patton area. So those two things: One,I’d seen him, and the way he acted.

It took a while, but I realized that he had been a customer weeks before. I had sold him a pair of shoes, $4.70. (Our highest-price shoes,the deluxe shoes, were $7.70.) It was at night, and stores were only open one night a week, on Thursday. This was a Thursday night and, as near as I can figure, maybe six weeks before. He was a very fastidious customer,very hard to make up his mind. I just let him be and stepped away from him. In sales, the last person who speaks wins . . . or loses—so I let him try them on, and finally he said, “I’ll take them.”

On this day, when the police cars went by, I was standing just inside the door observing him, and he was looking at me—he looked me square in the eye too. He was looking through the door, and I know there was recognition because he’d seen me. When the police cars all got by and the sound was more in the distance,he turned around, looked over his shoulder, and walked out and proceeded up the street.

I just had a feeling that something was wrong with this picture that he was suspicious and yet he wasn’t panicky; he wasn’t running.I’ve heard he was running—he wasn’t—he was just walking at a nice pace. But it was just a gut feeling that something was up. Why do you pretend to be shopping for shoes when all this commotion is going on?

I didn’t connect him to the assassination, which I had heard about. I was also aware that Officer Tippit had been shot and killed just a few blocks from here, and that probably—with a description from the radio station I was listening to led to more wonderment and What the heck is going on here? While I was walking, he had already entered the Texas Theatre—you could see him go in. I stood there for a second and thought, What am I fixin’ to get into? Why am I doing this? But I just kept walking.

The story got out that Oswald was busted for not buying a ticket. Totally wrong. I asked Julie Postal, the cashier, if

she had sold a ticket to a man matching his description. I only wanted confirmation that somebody else saw what I saw. I could have cared less if he was buying a ticket, so he wasn’t busted for that. She said, no, she

hadn’t sold a ticket to anybody that matched that description; she had been out on the sidewalk watching all the commotion as well. I said, “The fella I saw went into the theater; I’m going inside.” Once I got inside, I saw Butch Burrows, who was the concessionaire. I asked him the same question. “Did you see this fella”—matching the description I gave him “come in?” He said, no, that he’d been busy stocking his concessions. I said, “Well, he came in here, and there’s something funny about him. Let’s go look.”

Butch went with me. We went up to the balcony, didn’t see anything,and then went back down to the theater’s lower level; didn’t see him. I went behind the curtain that leads out to the fire escape, out into the alley,and I said, “Butch, I’m going to stand here. You go up to the front, and if anybody matching this description starts to leave, stop him.” I didn’t know the guy had a .38 in his pocket.

I came back out and reported to Julie Postal that the guy was still there. She hadn’t seen him. I said, “Call the police,” so Julie made the phone call. That’s when I went back in. Butch was up front, and I was in the back; I still hadn’t seen him.

The house lights in the theater came on, and that was the first time I really spotted him inside the theater. He stood up for a second like he was going to leave and then just turned around and sat right back down within one seat or so of where he had been sitting. That was the first time I saw him in the theater, but I thought, Gotcha!

I still had no idea what he had done, no clue. But, son, you did something. You did something. When he pulled that gun out on Officer McDonald, I knew he had done something.

Reiland did say "several hundred officers" later in the day when Reiland narrated it again for WFAA-TV

Or he is covering Hasan, a bloody genius, throwing us off track for years.
Anyways,
If the ticket booth is empty then you go inside and pay at the counter.
Maybe Butch Burroughs was skimming.
His boss had left...
Would he maybe pocket the dollar.
The responses he gives are like someone who is stuck, can't say he saw him and took his money because he couldn't show any tickets being sold. So he has to hint he had seen him enter.
Or more simply it was a teen whom snuck in and up to the balcony.

Would the cops be asking patrons for ticket stubs?
Or perhaps patting them down for tiny paper remnants.
I don't know, but McDonald's claims are questionable, Nick said he had an exact description from the radio, Nick said 27, white, 5'10" and 145(?)...well what about Brewer, I guess pointing to a man wasn't enough?
Nick claims he was on the left side and Brewer and two other cops were with him...well both must have had shotguns, and C. T. Walker whom was backing up Nick had one too, if we believe what Nick said that the three officers had shotguns.

Mr. McDONALD - Well, there was a report from the dispatcher that a suspect was seen running into the public library at Marsalis and Jefferson.

Mr. BALL - You went down there?

Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir. I went directly to Denver Street, which is an alley at that point. It is still designated as Denver Street. I parked the squad car, took my shotgun, and went to the west basement entrance to the public library, and ordered the people in the basement, in the library outside. They came out with their hands up.

The boy immediately said that he had just run into the library to tell the people that the President had been shot. He was a much younger person than what was broadcast on description on the radio.

Mr. BALL - You had heard a broadcast?

Mr. McDONALD - Yes.

Mr. BALL - Of a description, of someone to look for?

Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - What did you hear?

Mr. McDONALD - White male, approximately 27 years old, 5 foot 10, weight about 145 pounds, wearing light clothing.

Mr. BALL - When did you hear that? About what time?

Mr. McDONALD - It came Out on the radio as I was coming to Oak Cliff. There was another general description given on the way to the Texas School Book Depository at Elm and Houston Streets. But it was a vague description.

Mr. BALL - The first description that you heard of a man to look for was on the way downtown to the Texas School Book Depository?

Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - What was that description?

Mr. McDONALD - White male, approximately 27, 29 years old, and he had a white shirt on, weighed about 160 pounds.

Had a teen been found hiding the balcony (among other teens) then that teen too would not fit the description/s even if he had snuck into the theater.

Mr. McDONALD - After I was satisfied that this teenager that had run into the library didn't fit the description, I went back to my squad car, put my shotgun back in the rack. Just as I got into the squad car, it was reported that a suspect was seen running into the Texas Theatre, 231 West Jefferson.

Mr. McDONALD - Well, when I got to the front of the theater there was several police cars already at the scene, and I surmised that officers were already inside the theater.

So I decided to go to the rear, in the alley, and seal off the rear. I parked my squad car. I noticed there were three or four other officers standing outside with shotguns guarding the rear exits. There were three other officers at the rear door. I joined them. We walked into the rear exit door over the alley.

He is the only one without a riot gun? Yet has one readily available to him.

Now Hasan, even you will admit a shotgun should have been in Nick's hands in the theater.
(especially if he was going in after a cop killer just like the library)

Cheers Mate!
Ed

Oh BTW, Brewer's IBM Friends thread is a fascinating read.


Burke Marshall Oral History Interview - JFK #4, 6/14/1964

Interviewee:

Marshall, Burke, 1922-2003

Biographical Note:

(1922 - 2003) Assistant Attorney General, Civil Rights Division, Department of Justice (1961-1964); general counsel, International Business Machines Corp. (1965-1969); adviser to Robert F. Kennedy.

Description:

Marshall discusses the violence surrounding James Howard Meredith’s enrollment at the University of Mississippi, the contempt of court case against Mississippi governor Ross R. Barnett, and John F. Kennedy’s judicial appointments, among other issues.

Date(s) of Materials:

14 June 1964

Number of Transcript Pages:22

http://www.jfklibrary.org/Asset-Viewer/Archives/JFKOH-BM-04.aspx

NOTE: For citation to Executive Order 10918, see Appendix B.

The following list of members was released with the President's statement:

Management: Thomas J. Watson, Jr.; President of International Business Machines (New York);

http://www.jfklink.com/speeches/jfk/publicpapers/1961/jfk40_61.html


In his opening words, the President referred to Thomas J. Watson, Jr., president of the International Business Machines Corporation and chief of the Business Council's White House liaison group.
http://www.jfklink.com/speeches/jfk/publicpapers/1962/jfk203_62.html


Thomas John Watson Jr. (January 14, 1914 – December 31, 1993) was an American businessman, political figure, and philanthropist. He was the 2nd president of IBM (1952–1971), the 11th national president of the Boy Scouts of America (1964–1968), and the 16th United States Ambassador to the Soviet Union (1979–1981). He received many honors during his lifetime, including being awarded the Presidential Medal of Freedom by Lyndon B. Johnson in 1964. Watson was called "the greatest capitalist in history" and one of "100 most influential people of the 20th century".[1] - Wikipedia



But that would have been hard to imagine in 1962, even for Henry Ross Perot, the man who founded EDS that year using a $1,000 loan from his wife, Margot. Perot took a huge risk with EDS, quitting a lucrative sales job with IBM, where he’d worked since graduating from the Naval Academy in 1953 and spending the next four years at sea. IBM was the dominant player in the emerging information technology industry. It made the world’s best computers and employed the top programmers to run them. But Perot saw a niche that IBM was missing, and he began crisscrossing the country in search of business. He found none until his 78th sales call, at which he inked a $100,000 deal with a company in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. The deal gave EDS the cash to hire a full-time staff. A secretary came first, on November 12, 1963, 10 days before the assassination of President John F. Kennedy. Then Perot poached a couple of salespeople from IBM.
http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2013/november/dallas-1963-eds-and-h-ross-perot

I would just quickly like to re-post the most telling piece of Warren Commission testimony concerning William Lowery for anyone that has never read it before because I think it sums up quite nicely the interest that the Commission lawyers had in one of the most fascinating characters living in Dallas at that time:

Mr. MOLINA. I just wanted to state in the record that I want to deny any accusations if there is any doubt in anybody's mind.

Mr. BALL. No; there is nobody I ever heard has accused you of anything.

Mr. MOLINA. I know there's a fella that I talk with that belongs to the or had worked with the FBI that knows my position in this thing.

Mr. BALL. I never heard anybody accuse you of any wrongdoing in connection with this matter.

Mr. MOLINA. In fact, Bill Lowery worked with the FBI.

Mr. BALL. You don't have to worry about that; no one is accusing you of anything.

Mr. MOLINA. Except the local people here.

Mr. BALL. Do you want to sign it or do you want to waive your signature; how do you feel about it? It's your option; you can do either way.

Mr. MOLINA. Well, I would like to.

Mr. BALL. See it and sign

Mr. MOLINA. See it and sign

End of excerpt.

In summary, the Warren Commission had fuck all interest in him, even when one of their witnesses was eager to talk.  Says it all really.  Hasan is correct in his assessment that Lowery was an incredibly important piece of the jigsaw puzzle that was wilfully and purposefully thrown down the back of the nearest couch.

Lee Farley at February 21, 2016 at 12:10 PM

I would just quickly like to re-post the most telling piece of Warren Commission testimony concerning William Lowery for anyone that has never read it before because I think it sums up quite nicely the interest that the Commission lawyers had in one of the most fascinating characters living in Dallas at that time:

 

Mr. MOLINA. I just wanted to state in the record that I want to deny any accusations if there is any doubt in anybody's mind.

Mr. BALL. No; there is nobody I ever heard has accused you of anything.

Mr. MOLINA. I know there's a fella that I talk with that belongs to the or had worked with the FBI that knows my position in this thing.

Mr. BALL. I never heard anybody accuse you of any wrongdoing in connection with this matter.

Mr. MOLINA. In fact, Bill Lowery worked with the FBI.

Mr. BALL. You don't have to worry about that; no one is accusing you of anything.

Mr. MOLINA. Except the local people here.

Mr. BALL. Do you want to sign it or do you want to waive your signature; how do you feel about it? It's your option; you can do either way.

Mr. MOLINA. Well, I would like to.

Mr. BALL. See it and sign

Mr. MOLINA. See it and sign

End of excerpt.

In summary, the Warren Commission had fuck all interest in him, even when one of their witnesses was eager to talk.  Says it all really.  Hasan is correct in his assessment that Lowery was an incredibly important piece of the jigsaw puzzle that was wilfully and purposefully thrown down the back of the nearest couch.

Thanks for jumping in here, Lee.

What Lee said...  

Some of you may not even realise how well  your work integrates into a whole. That's where my inner "Rain Man" kicks in...8)

To use Ed's metaphor, Lowery is on of a number of tnterconnected points where the lock can be smashed. Fuck picking it.