REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

Happy Holidays, ROKC members!  

I have  special present for everyone for the holidays! I just found this new Murray photo posted at Barto's Prayer Man site i had never seen before. Right away I thought - "Gee that woman in front has a pillbox hat just like Madie Belle Reese's!" But then i thought, it couldn't be because she wasn't wearing glasses - that is, until i saw them in her hand! Then i noticed she had a pin on her left upper coat breast. I pulled up the Allen shot of her exiting the TSBD with Lupe Whitaker etc...and found that, indeed, she was wearing the SAME piece of costume jewelry! SOLD! So i made a graphic to demonstrate. In the process i was so fixated on having found MBR that i didn't even notice that standing right next to her was a woman in a HUGE black hat! Yep! Ruth Dean in that hat we see being worn by an - up till now - unknown woman on the steps, who was likely to be Ruth Dean standing next to Reese. Well, now we have her - circa 1963 - up close and personal in front of the Daltex! Notice in the Wiegman crop we can see a bit of a white glow on her neck - a hint of reflection off of her big necklace that appears to be some sort of metallic braided design.

Here's a closeup Dean comparison - same eyes, small nose etc... and she apparently had a thing for BIG earrings as well as BIG hats!  

Ooops... for some reason the last comparison graphic of Dean did not post - will try again! 

Third time's a charm...hopefully!: 

Another great find Linda. That's 'Island Man' / 'Not-Campbell' (whatever were callling him ... the bystander in Weigman/Couch/Darnell etc.) on the far left. That's a shadow on his tie, not a funky pattern. And an agonizingly close, cropped face shot on the far right of a guy that bugs me because of a strong resemblance in other pics (sez me) to the under-examined James McCord, a notion I'm in no hurry to have debunked with a full face-shot.

Also many, many thanks to Barto for posting those Murray photos at his PM site. I had'nt seen most of 'em.

Back to the nog. Happy Holidays!

Thank you sooooooooo much, Andy!! Oh, i didn't notice "Island man"/"Not-Truly" there. I didn't even recognize him so close up! Great shot of his face! I would not have caught that! Good find! And where do you see a guy you think is James McCord????!!! Do you mean that guy on the far rt in glasses whose face is cut in half? I have a McCord candidate myself! He's in Altgens 5,  about 1/2 way down Houston - he's glaring at JFK a hateful glare as he passes by in his limo. Do you know who I mean? Has his hand on his hip. I'll upload it and post it for you. Stay tuned...i've never shared it before because i wasn't sure. I have no photos of McCord ca. '63 - only from his Watergate days. 

Happy holidays to you to, Andy! I appreciate your feedback!

Andy A. at December 25, 2015 at 11:33 PM

Another great find Linda. That's 'Island Man' / 'Not-Campbell' (whatever were callling him ... the bystander in Weigman/Couch/Darnell etc.) on the far left. That's a shadow on his tie, not a funky pattern. And an agonizingly close, cropped face shot on the far right of a guy that bugs me because of a strong resemblance in other pics (sez me) to the under-examined James McCord, a notion I'm in no hurry to have debunked with a full face-shot.

Also many, many thanks to Barto for posting those Murray photos at his PM site. I had'nt seen most of 'em.

Back to the nog. Happy Holidays!

Here's the guy who i think looks like McCord, Andy. Do you have any photos of him ca. '63?

Linda,

Sorry,I've seen no pre-Watergate photos of McCord, but I'm assuming he was already balding in '63.

See below for one of my typically crap, rushed presentations. Please see better pics if you have them.

 [Imgur](http://i.imgur.com/8CwPWgT.jpg)

 We see my candidate walking past the knoll with another tall, spooky guy in Murray 1-8. (Murray times as per Sprague). I STILL think that's Shelley in the foreground, shielding his eyes. (I don't give a fig about his or Lovelady's lying-ass testimonies re: their movements after the shots).

 He's seen later in front of the Dal-Tex. I posted a crop from Allen, but also see the sequence of Murray pics showing a group of three cops w/ shotguns looking up at the TSBD. My McCord candidate and a few suits w/ sunglasses can just about be seen in backround. (Not posting those because my copies are too low-res).

 I detect a through-line, personnel-wise, between Dallas, Operation Jenifer (the Glomar Explorer mission) and Watergate: Hunt, McCord and the elusive Claude Capeheart to name three.

I think that's supposed to be Capeheart in Murray 2-6 (or 2-7 ... help me out Barto) walking past Nestor Izquierdo aka 'Tony Escudero' (sez me).

Also, while we're here, I think you've nailed O.V. Campbell. Could this be him walking west across the knoll & shielding his eyes in Darnell?

[Imgur](http://i.imgur.com/soqidpf.png)

Sorry for the massive thread-drift. Back on topic .... nice hat!

Not sure what's going on here, but I can't seem to post images using Imgur anymore. Did'nt used to have these problems. The previews look fine, but the images disappear upon posting. What image hosting sites are you guys using?

Linda,

Forgot to mention that the woman to the left of your McCord suspect in Altgens is my best best guess for Beverly Oliver. No way a blonde bombshell like her would cover-up in a raincoat and multiple layers of clothing (see Babushka out front of TSBD near Euins in Cook) when Jack Kennedy is driving by. The Skaggs photos prove she is lying (Babushka not wearing a pink headscarf as Oliver described).

Also, the guy to the front left of my McCord candidate in Allen 28-16 gives-off a Raymond G. Leddy vibe to me. Something about the nose and quizzical eyebrows. If so, given his ex-wife situation, no wonder Win Scott was left out of the skullduggery. Too much Legendario on my part? (Best rum in Cuba. Nectar of the gods. Seriously ... do yourselves a favor). Perhaps ...

the McCord guy, which I dont think looks like McCord,  maybe he took his jacket and went down Elm street in the Lovelady /Shelley clip ? 

Linda Giovanna Zambanini at December 26, 2015 at 12:15 AM

Andy A. at December 25, 2015 at 11:33 PM

Another great find Linda. That's 'Island Man' / 'Not-Campbell' (whatever were callling him ... the bystander in Weigman/Couch/Darnell etc.) on the far left. That's a shadow on his tie, not a funky pattern. And an agonizingly close, cropped face shot on the far right of a guy that bugs me because of a strong resemblance in other pics (sez me) to the under-examined James McCord, a notion I'm in no hurry to have debunked with a full face-shot.

Also many, many thanks to Barto for posting those Murray photos at his PM site. I had'nt seen most of 'em.

Back to the nog. Happy Holidays!

Here's the guy who i think looks like McCord, Andy. Do you have any photos of him ca. '63?

G'day Linda, great stuff here in this thread by the way.

Are you able to post this pic without the McCord insert?

Might not be a hateful stare though, could be the sun's in his eyes, 

he looks to me like he has a Tommy Lee Jones kinda nose ?

Andy A. at December 26, 2015 at 2:10 PM

Linda,

Sorry,I've seen no pre-Watergate photos of McCord, but I'm assuming he was already balding in '63.

 

 

See below for one of my typically crap, rushed presentations. Please see better pics if you have them.

 

 [Imgur](http://i.imgur.com/8CwPWgT.jpg)

 

 We see my candidate walking past the knoll with another tall, spooky guy in Murray 1-8. (Murray times as per Sprague). I STILL think that's Shelley in the foreground, shielding his eyes. (I don't give a fig about his or Lovelady's lying-ass testimonies re: their movements after the shots).

 

 He's seen later in front of the Dal-Tex. I posted a crop from Allen, but also see the sequence of Murray pics showing a group of three cops w/ shotguns looking up at the TSBD. My McCord candidate and a few suits w/ sunglasses can just about be seen in backround. (Not posting those because my copies are too low-res).

 

 I detect a through-line, personnel-wise, between Dallas, Operation Jenifer (the Glomar Explorer mission) and Watergate: Hunt, McCord and the elusive Claude Capeheart to name three.

 

I think that's supposed to be Capeheart in Murray 2-6 (or 2-7 ... help me out Barto) walking past Nestor Izquierdo aka 'Tony Escudero' (sez me).

 

Also, while we're here, I think you've nailed O.V. Campbell. Could this be him walking west across the knoll & shielding his eyes in Darnell?

 

 

 

[Imgur](http://i.imgur.com/soqidpf.png)

 

 

Sorry for the massive thread-drift. Back on topic .... nice hat!

 

 

Thanks for the collage of potential McCord candidates, Andy! I like your candidate better than mine, in fact. You're right...those 2 guys are hanging together. I hadn't  noticed them before. As far as Capehart goes...haven't thought about him in some time. Yes, that blonde guy you pointed out is the one posited to be Capehart in EF threads etc...I hadn't heard this before tonight. Your mention of him sent me on a search thru my files and then on a new genealogical search.  Found a photo of him on myheritage.com as "Buster Capehart" (his aka)  I posted it on his findagrave site. It's pretty blurry and there's really not enough detail there to compare him to the blonde guy - esp. with those sunglases on (haircolor can be changed of course). In general he has a small nose and round head/face like the blonde guy...but I would never positively say it's him. Of course, the photo posted could always be disinfo posted by the CIA on myheritage...you just never know. I did find out https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=14179&relPageId=2" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Capehart was 6'1", 220# on 11/20/63 (!) - it's in an HSCA Segregated CIA file released in '98 by the ARRB. I'm guessing the blonde guy is not that tall or hefty. What do you think? 

As for your Shelley candidate in that Murray photo, while i agree with you he does look  very similar, (and i totally agree with you that Shelley and Lovelady were lying sacks of shit!) let me now try to disabuse you of the idea that that is Shelley on the knoll in that Murray photo. I pulled up all my Shelley pix and compred, and came to the conclusion it's not Shelley, and here's why: that little peak of hair in front looks like it comes down much further on his forehead than the guy's in Allen. Here ...check this out and compare for yourself:

 

Glad you liked my potential ID of O.V. Campbell! There' just something about that overly friendly, folksy greeting that Dulles gives him - and which "Campbell" returns -  that leads me to believe he must be Campbell - ie: someone connected to the TSBD and not an FBI agent etc...Plus "Campbell" and "Cason" standing on - or right in front of - the steps like they own the place and are permanent fixtures there, ready to give the the WC a tour of their domain. As for the gif you posted of the guy who might be Campbell walking across the knoll. Might be - not enough detail for me to tell. However he appears to be shorter and smaller than the guy we know to be O.V. Cambell in Wiegman. So I guess i'm leaning in the direction he's not Campbell for that reason. I sure wish we could find a yearbook photo of Campbell & Cason! Elusive! 

Oh, and not sure what image service ROKC uses. Sorry you're having problems posting Imgur photo files. I myself had problems posting a simple link to youtube the other day, and i also had to repost the comparison photo of Ruth Dean (from our ROKC photo files) above several times before it took. Like your problems posting imgur photos, it would show up when i posted it  then disappeared after i hit submit! Finally it "took"! It's a complete  mystery to me. Seems like a website glitch. 

Sorry to everyone about the thread drift.... I agree, Andy, NICE HAT!

Faroe Islander at December 26, 2015 at 5:41 PM

the McCord guy, which I dont think looks like McCord,  maybe he took his jacket and went down Elm street in the Lovelady /Shelley clip ? 

Don't think so Faroe Islander. The Shelley figure in Gerda's gif (both still and animated) if you enlarge it, has that characteristic Shelley hair flip in front, IMO. 

Faroe Islander at December 26, 2015 at 5:41 PM

the McCord guy, which I dont think looks like McCord,  maybe he took his jacket and went down Elm street in the Lovelady /Shelley clip ? 

Don't think so Faroe Islander. The Shelley figure in Gerda's gif (both still and animated) if you enlarge it, has that characteristic Shelley hair flip in front, IMO. 

Andy A. at December 26, 2015 at 2:29 PM

Linda,

Forgot to mention that the woman to the left of your McCord suspect in Altgens is my best best guess for Beverly Oliver. No way a blonde bombshell like her would cover-up in a raincoat and multiple layers of clothing (see Babushka out front of TSBD near Euins in Cook) when Jack Kennedy is driving by. The Skaggs photos prove she is lying (Babushka not wearing a pink headscarf as Oliver described).

Interesting but i think it's someone else besides Oliver. I have a likely candidate. Actually how i came across the "McCord" character in that Altgens 5 photo was in trying to locate James N. Crawford & Mary Ann Mitchell (Dep Clerks from the CRB) that were standing on Houston near Elm. I found very good yearbook photos of Crawford and unclear photos, i believe of Mary Ann Mitchell (not a paying member of e-yearbooks so i have to guess at some of those photos/names). However, i've nailed Crawford and he's standing right behind and to the right of "McCord" in Altgens 5! I'm guessing even though i don't  have a clear or certain photo of Mary Ann Mitchell that that must be her on the other side of "McCord" since she was with Crawford. She said she was standing right on the curb on Houston. He thought he caught a glimpse of someone in the 6th flr window and brought it to her attn but by the time she looked the figure was gone. Here they are in an Altgens 5 cropped closeup: 



And i do agree with you, Andy, that Beverly Oliver wouldn't be caught dead in that big baggy coat and scarf! Nor would she be waddling across the street and up the hill with that old lady gait!

Mick Purdy at December 26, 2015 at 6:03 PM

Linda Giovanna Zambanini at December 26, 2015 at 12:15 AM

Andy A. at December 25, 2015 at 11:33 PM

Another great find Linda. That's 'Island Man' / 'Not-Campbell' (whatever were callling him ... the bystander in Weigman/Couch/Darnell etc.) on the far left. That's a shadow on his tie, not a funky pattern. And an agonizingly close, cropped face shot on the far right of a guy that bugs me because of a strong resemblance in other pics (sez me) to the under-examined James McCord, a notion I'm in no hurry to have debunked with a full face-shot.

Also many, many thanks to Barto for posting those Murray photos at his PM site. I had'nt seen most of 'em.

Back to the nog. Happy Holidays!

Here's the guy who i think looks like McCord, Andy. Do you have any photos of him ca. '63?

G'day Linda, great stuff here in this thread by the way.

Are you able to post this pic without the McCord insert?

Might not be a hateful stare though, could be the sun's in his eyes, 

Thank you so much, Mick!!   I appreciate your comments! I agree he could just be squinting due to the sun...then again everyone else near him seems to be smiling.  Will be glad to post it - it's a cropped blowup from Altgens 5 from Unger..:

Linda,

I think the guy you thought was McCord is actually James Crawford, after a few decades of weathering in the Texas sun . That yearbook photo was taken in '39. Crawford would be at least in his late 30's in '63. We have the exact same 'sneer' in the '39 photo and Altgens. It also makes sense that he would be standing next to Mitchell.

The guy you have circled is a teenager. He's sitting on the white car next to another teenager in a red jacket. See this Bell frame:

http://i.imgur.com/m6gceQq.jpg

You will note that Crawford & Mitchell are some distance apart at this point. They were co-workers, not a couple, so this also makes sense.

The teenager in the red jacket can be seen a bit later in Martin:

http://i.imgur.com/Q5GGojf.png

No doubt your McCord suspect is right behind him, but not captured on film.

So, good find - that's Mitchell, Crawford and a teenager on the car, imo.

I waffle myself on Shelley near the knoll, but honestly  can't find any other candidates with the requisite slim build, dark suit, skinny tie, large nose and duckbill haircut. I think the widow's peak is washed out by the harsh lighting & tiny image size. But I'm not married to the concept and it's not a deal-breaker either way. (The Stroud doc. & Barry Ernest's interviews with the' ladies in window' decimate Shelley & Lovelady's crap. But I think Gloria Calvery was somewhere west of the TSBD - still unsure - and it would be nice to move Shelley a bit in that direction).

I doubt the 6'1" height for Capeheart (much like the 5'10" 165 lbs Oswald stat circulating through intelligence channels and the crap that Hemming put out re:Capeheart). I do know his photo, required by law, is missing on his CA drivers license.

I think Capeheart might possibly be the short, blond "Oswald" who turned red with anger while arguing with Duran at the Cuban Consulate in Mexico City. The guy in the Allen photo would certainly fit the bill.

 (Bill Simpich makes the case that the owlish fake Oswald with the greaser haircut in the Mexico photos is Ernesto Lehfeld Miller, a friend of Duran. He does bear a certain similarity to the guy in Allen, but without a photo of Miller I'm neutral on the issue).

And speaking of nice hats, I think that's Lummie Lewis (in the red box) interviewing the woman that Craig pulled out of the car in this Martin sequence:

http://i.imgur.com/pVnq4Fw.jpg

Given his age, I think it took Lewis a few minutes to get behind the fence, hook up with Craig and start interviewing the woman. I don't see him having enough time to interview multiple women before re-appearing on the knoll with Craig for the 'Hammer man sequence' circa. 12.41.

 We also see two workers walk past that can also be seen out front of the TSBD in the PM footage. The guy standing with his hands on his hips may or may not be the guy who pockets the bullet in the manhole footage. I think Lewis' interview with the woman in the hat might've been cut short by the very large, inquisitive guy in the grey suit who steps in front of her. We certainly don't hear about her again, outside of Craig.

Speaking of Manhole Guy, Wes Riddle posited at Duncan's forum that it might be Dallas FBI SAIC Kenneth Albert. Here's his obituary photo ('97 iirc). Albert would've been in his 70's or so at this point. Worthing keeping an eye out for more photos of this guy. I doubt 'Faroe Islander' can discern his hands from his feet, but I certainly see the resemblance here and you might also.

http://i.imgur.com/rC3iBz0.jpg

Phew.

Hi Linda,

this is a great  find indeed and it looks like Reese, I am just not sold on Dean being the lady in in black. The pic by Larry Sneed as comparison makes it hard to ascertain it is Ruth Dean actually.

Why not Stanton? She would have been 41 at the time. 

In CE 1381 she says she was near Williams, Sanders, Shelly and Lovelady.

In her FBI statement she says that she went back into the building.

Ruth Dean, who would be 48 then, claims she ran out on the streets after the shots had been fired, so which lady is missing from the steps from Wiegman to Darnell? The lady in black is on the steps in Wiegman and Darnell.

But she also says she hooked up with Reese afterwards and they went to make a deposit. So it is possible that it may be Dean, 

In her FBI statement she says she left the TSBD at 2pm. We do not see her in the pic with Reese leaving the TSBD though. 

I would need to see more before I believe it to be Dean actually.But the lady in black is defo the lady on the stairs, so this is a great find already.

Great stuff! And thanks a lot, this will be added to the movie no doubt!