REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

Has anybody here read Michael Collins Pipers book, "Final Judgement: The Missing Link In The JFK Assassination Conspiracy"?

I'm half through and it's very interesting showing lots of connections among Israel/Mossad, Meyer Lansky, CIA/Angleton, but I'm not sure if it is just conjecture and guilt by association. Most important motive: JFK's strong opposition to Israels nuclear weapons program.

Any thoughts?

Pdf: http://americanfreepress.net/PDF/Final_Judgment.pdf

anonymous at December 16, 2015 at 10:16 AM

Has anybody here read Michael Collins Pipers book, "Final Judgement: The Missing Link In The JFK Assassination Conspiracy"?

I'm half through and it's very interesting showing lots of connections among Israel/Mossad, Meyer Lansky, CIA/Angleton, but I'm not sure if it is just conjecture and guilt by association. Most important motive: JFK's strong opposition to Israels nuclear weapons program.

Any thoughts?

Pdf: http://americanfreepress.net/PDF/Final_Judgment.pdf

Yes. 

Robert Blakey had worked as a Special Attorney at the Department of Justice in the Organized Crime & Racketeering Section from 1960 to 1964. In the 1960s he campaigned for and helped write much of the anti-racketeering legislation that helped undermine the activities of the Mafia. This included the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act (1970).

Given this background, it was no surprise at all that as head of the HSCA, he made sure it was geared to rooting out the mob as the likely villains. 

Michael Colins Piper is no different.  Here is his background. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Collins_Piper

Just as it was no suprise that Blakey blamed the Mob, it's no surpise that Piper blamed Mossad.

That's the thing with tthis assassination  -- it's always possible to make a case against your favorite villains.

I had some dealings with Collins, When you raised the arguments, as I did above, he would immediately go into victim mode - accusing you of accusing him of anti-Semitism. Similar to the MO of Glenn V and othes. If that didn't work, you were then accused of being a Mossad defender.

Mossad is no better and no worse than any other seccret intelligence apparatus, But they had no more to do with the assassination than the Itialian Mob, Elvis Presley or Scooby Doo.

Yes Greg, you are probably right, most of it smells of conjecture guided by strong commitment to a preconcived idea. That said:

1. It is a problem with the strong jewish lobby in D.C. Too much power relative to their numbers and their lojalty to Israel, a foreign country.

2. The problem of diskussing possible jewish wrongdoings without risk of being associated with anti semitism and Holocaust deniers.

3. There are som very intriguing info on the CIA and organised crime I have not fully appreciated before. 

The problem of diskussing possible jewish wrongdoings without risk of being associated with anti semitism and Holocaust deniers.

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G - it's not the book that is the problem for Piper - if that was all there was, it would just be another theory like any other theory and no big deal (to me, anyway)

The reason Piper is labelled a Holocaust denier and anti-Semitic is because those are the types he associated with and who published his works. 

I agree in principle that one should be able to discuss the sins of Mossad and Israel without labels being applied. But where there is a larger picture or pattern which borders on a pathology associated with certain races, creeds or colors... we have a problem. 

Half of my close relatives are of jewish faith, so I'm well aware of the risks of discussing jews and possible conspiracies. Still, it's a big democracy problem in the US that the Israel lobby has powers beyond any reasonable proportions relative to the overall population . Look at the Neo-cons, almost everyone is of jewish faith/etnicity with interests and loyalties not necessarely common to US national interests.

Driven too far, there could be a not so plesant backlash. It has happened before.

Back on topic. Is it correct that Meyer Lansky was the highest organised crime boss in the US at the time of the assassination? If so, and if the mob was part of the conspiracy, shouldn't he be in the loop and therefore the most important lead to the nexus CIA/Organised crime?

I haven't read the book myself, but I find the idea that Isreal was behind the assassination to be utterly absurd. My own belief (as discussed in the following essay) is that some of the conspirators wanted to make it look as if the jews were behind the assassination:

http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/who-was-behind-assassination.html

Hasan, you're right. The cover-up seems to have been designed to make it look like a lot of different special interest groups were behind the assassination.

Hasan Yusuf at December 16, 2015 at 9:33 PM

I haven't read the book myself, but I find the idea that Isreal was behind the assassination to be utterly absurd. My own belief (as discussed in the following essay) is that some of the conspirators wanted to make it look as if the jews were behind the assassination:

http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/who-was-behind-assassination.html

Excellent article, Hasan. Thoroughly researched.  I'm convinced that you are spot on when it comes to the Texans part of the conspiracy. AI/DPD/Oil/Birch/etc.

Question. Do you see the CIA as part of the conspiracy or just part of the cover up?

Edit: "AI/DPD/Oil/Birch/etc", that is, individuals belonging to one or more of these organisations.

Another question. Dallas of 1963  was full ol very conservative and fanatically anti communism jews. "My enemy's enemy ..." and so on?

Terry Martin at December 17, 2015 at 4:57 AM

Hasan, you're right. The cover-up seems to have been designed to make it look like a lot of different special interest groups were behind the assassination.

Thanks for your comments, Terry. I think I'll have a few things to add over the next few days to what I have already discussed in the essay.

anonymous at December 17, 2015 at 5:11 AM

Hasan Yusuf at December 16, 2015 at 9:33 PM

I haven't read the book myself, but I find the idea that Isreal was behind the assassination to be utterly absurd. My own belief (as discussed in the following essay) is that some of the conspirators wanted to make it look as if the jews were behind the assassination:

http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/who-was-behind-assassination.html

Excellent article, Hasan. Thoroughly researched.  I'm convinced that you are spot on when it comes to the Texans part of the conspiracy. AI/DPD/Oil/Birch/etc.

Question. Do you see the CIA as part of the conspiracy or just part of the cover up?

Thanks, G. I think there certainly was CIA involvement in the assassination. When most people think of the CIA and the assassination, they think of people like Allen Dulles, David Phillips, David Sanchez Morales, E Howard Hunt etc. The one CIA officer who I think deserves as much (if not more) attention than all of the ones I just mentioned, is Warren Hasty Carroll. 

Jim Fetzer also believs in the Mossad theory.

Vinny at December 17, 2015 at 11:22 AM

Jim Fetzer also believs in the Mossad theory.

Ha, he is a no planer, pretty much sums it up. No, I do not believe in the "Mossad theory", I'm in the middle of the book and giving my self permision to stray a bit outside kocher. So far, a lot of conjecture but also some interesting nuggets here and there.

It is an interesting read, in more ways than just one. Free of charge.

Towards the end of the book he mentions how he tried to give a copy of his book to JFK's brother Ted who declined it.

Vinny at December 17, 2015 at 11:34 AM

Towards the end of the book he mentions how he tried to give a copy of his book to JFK's brother Ted who declined it.

A responsible decision, considering who he is.

Hasan Yusuf at December 17, 2015 at 8:18 AM

anonymous at December 17, 2015 at 5:11 AM

Hasan Yusuf at December 16, 2015 at 9:33 PM

I haven't read the book myself, but I find the idea that Isreal was behind the assassination to be utterly absurd. My own belief (as discussed in the following essay) is that some of the conspirators wanted to make it look as if the jews were behind the assassination:

http://jfkthelonegunmanmyth.blogspot.com.au/2015/09/who-was-behind-assassination.html

Excellent article, Hasan. Thoroughly researched.  I'm convinced that you are spot on when it comes to the Texans part of the conspiracy. AI/DPD/Oil/Birch/etc.

Question. Do you see the CIA as part of the conspiracy or just part of the cover up?

Thanks, G. I think there certainly was CIA involvement in the assassination. When most people think of the CIA and the assassination, they think of people like Allen Dulles, David Phillips, David Sanchez Morales, E Howard Hunt etc. The one CIA officer who I think deserves as much (if not more) attention than all of the ones I just mentioned, is Warren Hasty Carroll. 

I believe the plotters had to know that they could get away with it. That there would be no real investigation. Who had the power to cover it up? Four individuals comes to mind:

- President Johnson

- FBI chief Hoover

- CIA godfather Dulles

- Joint Chiefs LeMay

Did they take an active role in the conspiracy or did they have foreknollege?

G,

I think Johnson was involved, but I don't think he was the "mastermind." I think both Dulles and LeMay are highly suspicious. As for Hoover, I'm not sure. 

Geronimo,

Personally, I think LBJ was scared to death. To me that implies he had no clue what was happening.

Hoover was sorting evidence all the way up to the WC. We know today that there was a lot of stuff his people uncovered that he made sure was buried. Had he been in the know, I doubt any of those lines of investigation would have been attempted.

Dulles appears to be everyone's #1 bad guy and probably the only one of the group fully capable of pulling this sort of operation off. Still, I would imagine had he pulled it off, the cover-up would have been more firmed up than the one we have.

LeMay was an idiot. 'Nuff said.

Anyway, that's my take on the four you mentioned. I don't give much credence to them being involved but - Hey! - I've been wrong before.

Hasan Yusuf at December 18, 2015 at 5:54 AM

G,

I think Johnson was involved, but I don't think he was the "mastermind." I think both Dulles and LeMay are highly suspicious. As for Hoover, I'm not sure. 

Hard to say who initiated it and masterminded it, but these four guys had between them enough clout, connection and power to pull this off. Have you read Talbot's latest on Dulles?

Epic.

Terry Martin at December 18, 2015 at 8:59 AM

Geronimo,

 

Personally, I think LBJ was scared to death. To me that implies he had no clue what was happening.

 

Hoover was sorting evidence all the way up to the WC. We know today that there was a lot of stuff his people uncovered that he made sure was buried. Had he been in the know, I doubt any of those lines of investigation would have been attempted.

 

Dulles appears to be everyone's #1 bad guy and probably the only one of the group fully capable of pulling this sort of operation off. Still, I would imagine had he pulled it off, the cover-up would have been more firmed up than the one we have.

 

LeMay was an idiot. 'Nuff said.

 

Anyway, that's my take on the four you mentioned. I don't give much credence to them being involved but - Hey! - I've been wrong before.

 

 

No, LBJ was not scared to death. One minute he acted scared, the next cool as a cucumber. Given the extremely sloppy cover up, the perpetrators had to know beforehand that no honest investigation was going to happen.

The weakest name is LeMay, but I believe Pentagon had to be in on it and LeMay carried the most clout of the JCS's and, he hated JFK. LBJ, Hoover and Dulles had to be in on the cover up before it happened. The people on the ground and the middle level had to know beforehand that no one would come after them. These four guys cover all the bases between them. 

Above them were the guys with the money. They are still in power today.