REOPEN KENNEDY CASE

Thanks Greg!
Yeah I think that part, LHO being moved in at the last minute, was forced upon her.
She did not have much choice I suspect.

These fables of Pat Halls brothers fighting and LHO sitting them down and saying those infamous words seemed rehearsed or my brain is asking how the heck she would of known or heard this?

Pat Hall's memories of Lee Harvey Oswald . . . in particular, an incident involving Oswald and her two younger brothers:"My brothers were rough-necking outside," Hall said, "and Lee was out on the front porch. He pulled them apart from each other and sat them on the stairs, and he says, 'Now, boys, I want y'all to listen to me. You're brothers. You need to love each other. And never, ever do anything that would harm another human being.' "   It was two or three weeks before the assassination.

Whatev.... Did one have a knife/gun?

Where was Roberts, who was watching the kids, when was this? A weekend?
I have too many questions, the supply of answers seems sparse.
Glady's hears about who her boarder is freaks out and destroys the record of Mr Lee living there or of LHO living there?
Only evidence we have is the OH Lee page, which looks written all in the same sitting. That is the proof of LHO staying there.
LHO did not have a receipt.
Why? Should be the first thing LHO would ask for, as that page could be destroyed at anytime and poor Lee would be out 8 bucks with no way to prove he paid.

Mr. BALL. We will make a picture of this and give it back to you.

Mrs JOHNSON. May I have something to erase this November 13, 15 -- I got that wrong, anyway. I was looking at the calendar and this, I was thinking it was November 13 that he left my place on a Wednesday before this assassination on Friday.

“.....she has a distinct recollection of this as she had checked OSWALD’s room at about 6:30 P.M. Friday, November 15, 1963, to see whether the room might be available for use of her grandchildren on that weekend. She was astonished to find OSWALD there, and in her astonishment commented: “Oh! You’re not going to Irving this weekend!” OSWALD did not say a word. Mrs. JOHNSON quickly withdrew from his room.” ~ reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t396-a-house-of-cards

So we see other receipts for rent in his belongings I do not recall any listing Beckley Receipt.
Of course DPD safe houses don't give receipts, they give out mexican ashtrays.

And a perfect capper.

http://www.newspapers.com/newspage/49565415/   Lubbock avalanche Journal Jul 6, 1977
RECEIPTS ISSUED to Lee Harvey Oswald in return for rent payments on a room at a Dallas rooming house prior to the Kennedy assassination could confirm Oswald’s alleged use of the alias "OH. Lee" durring his stay at the house. Fourth In A Series ) The Avalanche-Joumal learned of the receipts existence and current unknown disposition through an interview with a man who lived at the 1026 N. Beckley Ave. rooming house at the same time Oswald was at the house. The former roomer. John Adams (not his real name) was located in Dallas where he is a computer programmer. He asked that his identity not be publicized.

Neither Adams nor any other roomers underwent questioning by Dallas police or the Warren Commission, and an FBI interrogation of the roomers was brief and superficial.
Oswald, police inventories of his property indicate, had an almost maniacal penchant for saving even the smallest piece of documentation or correspondence relating to his personal affairs ranging from an eight-year-old income tax withholding statement to a bus transfer dated Nov. 22,1963.
Six rent receipts Oswald received while living at the 1026 N. Beckley Ave. house, however, are not included in the carefully detailed property inventories and have not publicly surfaced.
The inventories do contain, however, a rent payment receipt Oswald received while living at a New Orleans address in August, 1963.
The absence of the rent receipts from Oswald's Beckley Avenue address, the last of which he received only four days before the assassination, add substance to recent assassination researchers' doubt that Oswald ever used the alias "O H. Lee."
Publicly released evidence and testimony before the Warren Commission establishing Oswald s use of the alias while at the rooming house is limited.
A rent payment record sheet for Oswald’s room mysteriously and unexplainedly stamped “Top Secret" by government officials and statements by rooming house owner Mrs. Gladys Johnson are the basis for the commission’s conclusion that Oswald used the alias.
The rooming house register which Oswald allegedly signed with the alias has not been made public. Mrs. Johnson told The Avalanche -Journal she possesses the register, but refused to produce it or allow an inspection of it.
The rent payment record sheet, with “O H. Lee" written on it in a hand dissimilar to Oswald's writing of his last name the next day on a job application, was reproduced as an exhibit in the 26 volumes of hearings and exhibits presented to the Warren Commission.
Adams told The A-J the men at the rooming house, who lived in rooms designated by permanently displayed letters.
received receipts for rent payments from Mrs. Johnson written in a common receipt book. “She (Mrs. Johnson) always filled in your name and how much you paid," Adams said, “and gave you a copy."

Adams recalled an unusual incident slightly more than a week after Oswald moved into the rooming house. He said Mrs. Earlene Roberts, housekeeper at the boarding house, called him aside one evening and said. “There’s something funny about that guy (meaning Oswald).” Adams said Mrs. Roberts took the rent payment receipt book from a bureau and told him Oswald had given two different names when paying his rent and receiving a receipt.
Adams said Mrs. Roberts showed him the copy of Oswald’s first rent receipt with the name “Henry Lee" written on it. He said he did not see the second receipt copy, but that Mrs Roberts told him Oswald had given the name "Harvey Lee" for it Adams also said he was introduced to Oswald by an as yet unknown and unlo­cated roomer who insisted on the introduction. stating. “I want you (Adams) to meet a guy who speaks German " Oswald was introduced by the other roomer to Adams as "Harvey Lee "
In testimony to Warren Commission counsel Joseph A. Ball, given April 1, 1964. Mrs Johnson apologized to Ball for neglecting to bring the rooming house guest register to the question and answer session Later in her testimony, in response to a question from Ball about the name Oswald used when renting the room. Mrs Johnson answers, "OH. L-e-e (spell ing),"
a section of volume 10 of the Warren Commission exhibits and hearings states When asked by Ball if Oswald signed anything with the alias, Mrs. Johnson replied, "Yes, sir; I have it in my purse." Ball asked to see the document and Mrs. Johnson said, "I will be glad to—I don't want you to keep it... I brought it for your information I knew you was going to ask that." Then, the testimony indicates, Mrs. Johnson produced the rent payment record sheet, stating, "This O H Lee’ is in his handwriting and this other is in the housekeeper's handwriting—Mrs. Roberts"
The A-J interviewed Mrs Johnson who said she possessed the rooming house register which Oswald signed, according to her testimony, and that it is “packed away with 31 years of registers" from her house She said the guest register, with Oswald's signature, has no monetary value to her
In her April 1, 1964. testimony, however, Mrs Johnson attached potential value to the rent payment record sheet
She told Ball, "I have been told I could sell this and I haven't gotten any money." Ball, testimony indicates, designated the rent payment sheet with Oswald's alleged signature Exhibit A and a copy was made of the sheet. Then, in spite of hundreds of other exhibits in the volumes of testimony and exhibits presented to the Warren Commission which bear no classification marking, the copy of the payment sheet was stamped "Top Secret." Assassination researchers say the “Top Secret" classification raises questions about the document's real meaning and importance.
Mrs Johnson refuses to discuss why the guest register with Oswald’s signature is not valuable to her and why the rent payment sheet with his signature is. An irony also is presented by the rent pavment sheet. Although he allegedly registered as ‘O.H Lee," Oswald rented a room designated on the payment sheet as room "0." a letter corresponding with the first letter in his real last name

And in another mystery, a National Archives document listing the names of the roomers at 1026 N. Beckley Ave. in Dallas at the time of the assassinations contains the name "Herbert Lee." Neither Henry or Harvey Lee nor O.H. Lee is included in the list of names, raising the question of whether another person named Lee lived at the rooming house at the same time as Oswald.


So room "O" as in 'Oh my lord' or was it really "0" as in Zero as the room where H. Lee was?? 
Seems some alpha numerical mistakes taking place.
Would the first room you rented out be room 1. Yes?, , no, maybe?
Would the room you don't rent out, but needed to suddenly on Nov 22,....would it then be room 0 (zero) like an afterthought.
Because you can not go backwards from A !

"O" as in oh, would be room 15 counting them like a normal person. 
Could that be the last room in the main house? A-O?
I believe they had 16 rooms in the main house (not counting Mr Johnsons 'room' ) and 4 in the rear house. Depending on whom rented the rear building, how it could be rented, etc.

That might make 22 rooms total, with Earlene Roberts, with Johnson's, and Lee's tiny room # "O".

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=95616&relPageId=112
A- Bobby Joe Palmer,
B- C. C. Lehmann,
C- Roy Samuel Cleghorn,
D- Floyd DeGraffenreid,
E- Hugh Slough,
F- Jack Cody,
G- A. C. Johnson,
I- George Gibboney,
J- Donald Green,
K- John Carter,
L- James Watson,
M- Earlene Roberts,
N- Mrs Johnson's Master Suite
O- Herbert Leon Lee.

Hey that works out perfect!!

"I recently encountered a woman who attemped to lease the actual duplex that Lee Harvey Oswald resided at - 1026 N Beckley, (I am not joking about this) she said that the woman who leases for the duplex, told her that she could not lease the room to her because there was only 1 main bathroom, which was shared by all the 'male' occupants." ~ Robert Howard   http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6165


Records currently show the house has two baths. I can fully see this as one bath for guests and a Master Suite for Glady's with her own private bath.


Biggest Lie in Big D

"My address is 1026 North Beckley." Lee Oswald never spoke those words, he sure didn't give a room number or "letter" either! 

"Our first stop was 1026 N. Beckley Ave. in the Oak Cliff section of Dallas, where Oswald was living alone on Nov. 22, one of 17 boarders in the house. To his fellow roomers, the reclusive Oswald was dubbed the “butt twister” for the strange way he walked as he came into the living room to watch TV or talked on the communal telephone to someone in Russian."
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2013/11/lee_harvey_oswald_s_final_steps_where_jfk_s_killer_walked_after_the_shooting.html

Looks like they took a room or two and made some extra bathrooms from them.

The listing will include nine bedrooms and four bathrooms counting the main house, its basement and a detached building — fewer sleeping areas than in rooming-house days.

The kitchen stove dates to Oswald days. The refrigerator that cooled his food and drink is gone, as is the communal telephone he would use. The compact bathroom he and others shared still has its white tile floor and built-in medicine cabinet.

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/jfk50/explore/20130508-owner-to-sell-rooming-house-where-oswald-lived-before-jfk-assassination.ece

I'm almost getting sick of saying it, Ed, but outstanding again! 

So.... not introduced as Henry Lee or Harvey Lee... but Herbert Lee... who occupied room "O"?

Greg at March 7, 2015 at 7:13 AM

I'm almost getting sick of saying it, Ed, but outstanding again! 

So.... not introduced as Henry Lee or Harvey Lee... but Herbert Lee... who occupied room "O"?

Much Gratitude Greg,
Was a flash of lucidity about lettering and the O or 0 and was there a 1 or A, and what rooms would be what.
Didn't take long to confirm my suspicion of something fishy going on with the records at 1026

'Oh' I forgot room H which was also had by a mystery man Lee.

But you get the idea of a lettered list vs a numerical listing of rooms and boarders.
Maybe Pat Hall should get her hands on Gladys' register and hock that sucker, er I mean find a better custodian...

Start watching at 19:08    

The German and Russian speaking Lee was at 1026 N. Beckley that weekend says Mrs Johnson...... WTH

He did not go out of town that weekend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6-avSB6Fns

Ed Ledoux at March 7, 2015 at 11:14 PM

Start watching at 19:08    

The German and Russian speaking Lee was at 1026 N. Beckley that weekend says Mrs Johnson...... WTH

He did not go out of town that weekend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6-avSB6Fns

Wow! That's something you just don't get wrong so close to the event. And she was asked more than once to make sure she understood the question. 

So where does that leave us? Is she talking about Herbert Lee, Larry Crafard, Lee Oswald, Someone else?

Greg at March 7, 2015 at 11:43 PM

Ed Ledoux at March 7, 2015 at 11:14 PM

Start watching at 19:08    

The German and Russian speaking Lee was at 1026 N. Beckley that weekend says Mrs Johnson...... WTH

He did not go out of town that weekend.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6-avSB6Fns

Wow! That's something you just don't get wrong so close to the event. And she was asked more than once to make sure she understood the question. 

So where does that leave us? Is she talking about Herbert Lee, Larry Crafard, Lee Oswald, Someone else?

Or maybe she just got the script muddled up?

She makes my day!
I don't think she was ever shown LHO.
She only saw TV images, etc.
She never met Oswald in person.
She did have a guy there whom was a Herbert Leon Lee, and Herbert Lee may have been in room O as H Lee, thus O H Lee.
And if he was home all weekend then who the heck is she boarding but Herbert Lee, but Herb left before that weekend??? Correct?
So who was there in room O reading communist literature, and making sandwiches?
Was the payment sheet from Herbert and he had paid for several weeks, but left early and got refunded?
This takes some digestion and thought!!!
Anyways,
Wow leave it to Gladys Johnson to spill the beans within hours!  Amazing stuff Greg!

Wow! That's something you just don't get wrong so close to the event. And she was asked more than once to make sure she understood the question.

I'm not tracking, isn't it in WC timeline that Oswald stayed away the prior weekend (I forget offhand whether Marina didn't want him or if Lee didn't want to go)?  Or is your point that Marina's and Ruth Paine's testimony had to scripted to take into account Mrs. Johnson's statement that Oswald (or "Oswald") spent his last weekend at the boarding house?

Beowulf at March 9, 2015 at 3:04 PM

 

Wow! That's something you just don't get wrong so close to the event. And she was asked more than once to make sure she understood the question.

I'm not tracking, isn't it in WC timeline that Oswald stayed away the prior weekend (I forget offhand whether Marina didn't want him or if Lee didn't want to go)?  Or is your point that Marina's and Ruth Paine's testimony had to scripted to take into account Mrs. Johnson's statement that Oswald (or "Oswald") spent his last weekend at the boarding house?

Beowulf,

The official timeline has Ruth Paine telling Lee Oswald to not visit the weekend before the assassination because Michael Paine was visiting for his kids birthday.  Seems like a bullshit excuse to stop someone coming around the house - unless Mike was hopping in bed with Marina once all the balloons were down and the cake eaten.  By all accounts, knowing what we do about Marina, it wouldn't surprise me although even she, I believe, had standards.

I'm not reading Gladys Johnson's statements to mean that Lee Oswald didn't stay assassination weekend because, of course, the weekend had yet to begin.

There was some confusion at some stage about which weekend he was supposed to have stayed away. IIRC, he was the one who supposedly made the call not to go because of the birthday -- it was even offered at one stage as the reason he went back on the Thurdsay... because he had didn't see them the weekend before and was missing them.

Do we have confirmation on Ruth's kid's  birthdays?

As to which weekend - on reflection, I think Lee is probably right - even though there is no indication as to what day it is she was interviewed (Friday or Saturday).

I did notice one thing in this... she said "he was only here one weekend... this past weekend...the other times he would leave on a Friday evening and return on a Monday evening..." maybe I'm over-reaching, but it does sound a bit like she is saying he left Friday evening from the boarding house... 

Hang on... here is what I was thinking of... no way of knowing how accurate it is though...

I visited my wife Thursday night, Nov. 21, whereas I normally visited her over the weekend, because Mrs. Paine was giving a party for the children on the weekend. They were having a houseful of neighborhood children. I didn't want to be around at such a time. . . . Therefore, my weekly visit was on Thursday night instead of on the weekend. . .

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html

The above makes it sound like the party was on THAT weekend... so he came and stayed on the Thursday night and intended going back to the boarding house Friday after work for the rest of the weekend... and also that this was the sole reason for going on Thursday... not to pick up any curtain rods...

Mrs. PAINE - Just prior to the assassination. The 16th I was having a birthday party for my little girl

Mrs. PAINE - He called to the house nearly, every night around 5:30 to talk to Marina. And Marina suggested to him that he wouldn't, shouldn't come out that weekend because I was having a birthday party and it had been a long weekend, the prior weekend. She didn't want him to wear out his welcome...

Mrs. PAINE - He called her, it must have been Saturday afternoon, soon after he had been, he went Saturday morning and they closed at noon.

Mr. JENNER - I see. This was the weekend he did not come out to Irving?

Mrs. PAINE - This was the weekend he did not come out.

Mr. JENNER - The weekend in which you had your birthday party for your son was it?

Mrs. PAINE - It was either that same afternoon or it was possibly Sunday, I don't recall. It is important though. I wish I could recall when his call to her was. Since it relates to the problem of when I dialed his number.

Greg at March 9, 2015 at 4:37 PM

There was some confusion at some stage about which weekend he was supposed to have stayed away. IIRC, he was the one who supposedly made the call not to go because of the birthday -- it was even offered at one stage as the reason he went back on the Thurdsay... because he had didn't see them the weekend before and was missing them.

Do we have confirmation on Ruth's kid's  birthdays?

As to which weekend - on reflection, I think Lee is probably right - even though there is no indication as to what day it is she was interviewed (Friday or Saturday).

I did notice one thing in this... she said "he was only here one weekend... this past weekend...the other times he would leave on a Friday evening and return on a Monday evening..." maybe I'm over-reaching, but it does sound a bit like she is saying he left Friday evening from the boarding house... 

Hang on... here is what I was thinking of... no way of knowing how accurate it is though...

I visited my wife Thursday night, Nov. 21, whereas I normally visited her over the weekend, because Mrs. Paine was giving a party for the children on the weekend. They were having a houseful of neighborhood children. I didn't want to be around at such a time. . . . Therefore, my weekly visit was on Thursday night instead of on the weekend. . .

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html

The above makes it sound like the party was on THAT weekend... so he came and stayed on the Thursday night and intended going back to the boarding house Friday after work for the rest of the weekend... and also that this was the sole reason for going on Thursday... not to pick up any curtain rods...

Greg,

Yes, it sounds as if he left from the boarding house on Friday evening. I would suppose BWF drove him over there from work to pick up laundry and what have you since there is no mention of him carrying any of that stuff to the TSBD on Friday morning. Otherwise she would have said he left from there on Friday Morning to return on Monday evening. Still, though, BWF never mentioned taking any drive to Beckley (or any other boarding house for that matter).

Another thing, Oswald's "quote" makes it sound like he did not want to have all those noisy children around (although I doubt if it was going to be more than just a few hours) and seemed willing to ditch his time with the family because of it. The part that really sounds strange about this is that BWF recalled Oswald liked playing with the kids in the neighborhood.

But then, maybe that guy was Harvey, huh? 

And I keep bumping up against the thought that Oswald went home to Irving every day, not just for the weekends, and therefore needed no rooming house. But this brings up the logical question: Why did they need him to be in Dallas every night and some weekends? What part of their plans required this item? And was it only put firmly in place after Oswald was dead?

Damn! Sorry... too many questions again. I'm starting to sound like a n00b.

These are questions that need answering, Terry.

Why?  Why the need for him to live alone and visiting his self-estranged wife and children on weekends?  Why not just have him living with Ruth Paine?  

Would Oswald the brooding loner be tenable if he was living with his wife, kids and Ruth Paine?

Were there any real attempts at impersonating Oswald in Oak Cliff in the days leading up to the assassination?

Lee Farley at March 9, 2015 at 5:48 PM

These are questions that need answering, Terry.

Why?  Why the need for him to live alone and visiting his self-estranged wife and children on weekends?  Why not just have him living with Ruth Paine?  

Would Oswald the brooding loner be tenable if he was living with his wife, kids and Ruth Paine?

Were there any real attempts at impersonating Oswald in Oak Cliff in the days leading up to the assassination?

Lee,

If Oswald's marriage was not on the skids, it would have been created just as easily as they created the Beckley address, the MC, the BYP, the SN, the curtain rods, the Hidell ID, the bus ticket, the unused bullets, and so forth ad nauseum.

For Oswald to "fit" he had to become a moody, violent, wife-beating megalomaniacal egotist. If it had not been for the echoing refrain about Junie's new shoes, they might of nailed him on being an inattentive parent as well.

"Were there any real attempts at impersonating Oswald in Oak Cliff in the days leading up to the assassination?"

I know of cases where it was claimed Oswald was seen and doing some rather suspicious things - slumping and ducking most likely - in the company of Ruby or Tippit or some doppelganger/alien clone, but I do not know of any verifiable attempt to impersonate Oswald before the assassination.

It would be fascinating to do a time-line of all the elements of the WC case and show when they first appeared. Then it should be fairly simple to look at what existed just prior to the Second Coming of Truth and see what the case really looked like.

There are several threads currently running on ROKC that seem to be doing just that. And I can hardly wait for the dust to clear so we can see what REALITY really looks like.

Thank you.

Beowulf at March 9, 2015 at 6:50 PM

"I'm not reading Gladys Johnson's statements to mean that Lee Oswald didn't stay assassination weekend because, of course, the weekend had yet to begin." --------------------- Yes I meant the weekend of the 16th Though it is true enough stayed in town the weekend of the 23rd too. :o) In the Clay Shaw trial, Frazier testified Lee's excuse to him for not going home for the weekend was that he needed to take a driver's test to get his license. He didn't take such a test but if his wife had told him she didn't want him to come, its understandable he'd save face with an excuse like that.

That's covered by Ruth. She claims that he was coming over for her to take him for a driving test, but she told him she couldn't do it because of her daughter's birthday - but that it didn't matter - he didn't need to take a car to have a test. She goes on to explain he did go, and got there before closing on the Saturday, but the line-up so big, he still missed on having the test. 

Then we have Marina saying he couldn't come because he had been there for the long weekend prior to that and she was "worried" he might overstaying his welcome.

Then we have the curtain rods story... and him just going there a day early cos he missed her...

And Jenner saying it was her son's birthday... and Ruth, who continually corrected information, failing to do so on this occasion.

Mrs. PAINE - He called to the house nearly, every night around 5:30 to talk to Marina. And Marina suggested to him that he wouldn't, shouldn't come out that weekend because I was having a birthday party and it had been a long weekend, the prior weekend. She didn't want him to wear out Iris welcome, and then I said to him he could still try to get--

Indidental to all this, "he called the house nearly every night around 5:30" is in total accord with what Gladys said in the TV interview pointed to by Ed. So -- if we right that Oswald never lived there, it appears there was some co-ordination going on between at least some of the players.

I like this from Ruth:

Mrs. PAINE - He said he moved to different rooms, was paying a dollar a week more, $8 instead of $7; incidentally, I needed to know how much he was paying in order to put this on the form of Parkland Hospital, but that it was a little more comfortable and he had television privileges and privileges to use the refrigerator. And he gave me this number. 

He paid extra mor a more comfortable room? What was the Bledsoe room? A hole in the wall????

And finally... Ruth gets her knickers in a knot over questioning about the phone call to Lee Oswald, whom no one knew...

Mr. JENNER - Excuse me, did you dial the first or the second number?

Mrs. PAINE - The second number.

Mr. JENNER - And that number is?

Mrs. PAINE - WH 3-8993.

Mr. JENNER - When you dialed the number did someone answer?

Mrs. PAINE - Someone answered and I said, "Is Lee Oswald there?" And the person replied, "There is no Lee Oswald here," or something to that effect.

Mr. JENNER - Would it refresh your recollection if he said, "There is nobody by that name here"?

Mrs. PAINE - Or it may have been "nobody by that name" or "I don't know Lee Oswald." It could have been any of these.

Mr. JENNER - We want your best recollection.

Mrs. PAINE - My best recollection is that he repeated the name.

Mr. JENNER - He repeated the name?

Mrs. PAINE - But that is not a certain recollection.

Mr. JENNER - I take it then from the use of the pronoun that the person who answered was a man?

Mrs. PAINE - Was a man.

Mr. JENNER - And if you will just sit back and relax a little. I would like to have you restate, if you now will, in your own words, what occurred? You dialed the telephone, someone answered, a male voice?

Mrs. PAINE - Yes.

Mr. JENNER - What did he say and what did you say?

Mrs. PAINE - I said, "Is Lee Oswald there." He said, "There is no Lee Oswald living here." As best as I can recall. This is the substance of what he said. I said, "Is this a rooming house." He said "Yes." I said, "Is this WH 3-8993?" And he said "Yes." I thanked him and hung up.

Mr. JENNER - When you hung up then what did you next do or say?

Mrs. PAINE - I said to Marina, "They don't know of a Lee Oswald at that number."

Mr. JENNER - What did she say?

Mrs. PAINE - She didn't say anything.

I wonder if it's possible to find out the birth dates of Ruth Paines children?

Lynn born Nov. 1959, and Christopher born Feb. 1961

http://beforeitsnews.com/alternative/2011/11/48th-jfk-anniversary-ruth-paine-the-trench-coat-man-the-house-fire-1321517.html

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/paine_r1.htm

Mr. JENNER - All right, thank you. You have two children?

Mrs. PAINE - That is right.

Mr. JENNER - A boy and a girl?

Mrs. PAINE - A girl and a boy.

Mr. JENNER - Would you name the oldest of the two.

Mrs. PAINE - Sylvia Lynn and the boy--she is now 4. The boy is Christopher and he is 3.

Mr. JENNER - The point I was getting at, your daughter, Sylvia, was born after you reached Texas?

Mrs. PAINE - Yes.

Mr. JENNER - And what was her birth?

Mrs. PAINE - She was born on November 17, '59.

Can that date be checked?

All the birth record sites look like credit card scams to me.

John Mooney at March 12, 2015 at 5:19 PM

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/paine_r1.htm

Mr. JENNER - All right, thank you. You have two children?

Mrs. PAINE - That is right.

Mr. JENNER - A boy and a girl?

Mrs. PAINE - A girl and a boy.

Mr. JENNER - Would you name the oldest of the two.

Mrs. PAINE - Sylvia Lynn and the boy--she is now 4. The boy is Christopher and he is 3.

Mr. JENNER - The point I was getting at, your daughter, Sylvia, was born after you reached Texas?

Mrs. PAINE - Yes.

Mr. JENNER - And what was her birth?

Mrs. PAINE - She was born on November 17, '59.

 

Can that date be checked?

All the birth record sites look like credit card scams to me.

It would seem to be correct, John.

https://books.google.com.au/books?id=qDU7AAAAMAAJ&q=%22sylvia+lynn+paine%22&dq=%22sylvia+lynn+paine%22&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bwkCVbiWBIXHmAXt2oLwCA&ved=0CBwQ6AEwAA

The 17th was the Sunday prior to the assassination. Why couldn't Oswald have gone there on the Friday as was the alleged norm and taken a bus back to Oak Cliff on the Sunday before the party?

I note Ruth in testimony was keen to point to Marina as the person who told Oswald not to come that weekend.... but once again, it all looks contrived to get Oswald into place at the right time.