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Ed Ledoux
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As we demolish the ideas engrained in us all about the escape of Lee Harvey Oswald we are often asked how then did he get to Oak Cliff.
To answer this we must first demonstrate the story as was told to us is not the truth. Whaley may have been taking one for the team as it were. We may not know who was in his cab that afternoon but we can safely rule out Lee Oswald as the passenger of that cab between 12:30 AND 12:45 PM

"When addressing the Commission counsel Belin’s reconstruction of Whaley’s cab ride from the bus station to the rooming house, Bugliosi remarks that: [Whaley according to the Commission left at 12:48 p.m.,] “most likely” this was “several minutes later than Oswald actually left.”"

Speaking of taking on for the team...
The poor guy died driving a Navt Lt Cmdr. to the base in 1965, so he did not have a lot of time to recant of recall errors in his testimony.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJLijwBNqpw

Whaley in his First affidavit said he was at Lamar and Commerce           
(At the top we see E C Hardin , Would this be Special Agent Edmond C Hardin?)
Why yes it is SA Hardin!    http://media.nara.gov/dc-metro/rg-272/605417-key-persons/whaley_w_w/whaley_w_w.pdf    Page 2.



If we look at the area in front of the Grey Hound station we would see cabs lined up. If there were a couple cabs at the cab stand at the corner of Lamar and JAckson then a driver would wait farther up the block, at Commerce. First cab gets first fare. Unless you want your ass kicked by all the other cabbies you wait your turn and wait for your fare.
So Whaley stating he was at Commerce is saying he was not first in line for a fare?
The addition of a lady wanting the cab at the same time as LHO makes the appearance that Whaley was the sole cab at the stand at the time.
Whaley said he told the lady another would be along right behind his soon.
This was added into the Second affidavit.

In the First we see he was waiting there at 12 pm.
This was changed with the addition of a semi colon : and 30, thus changing the time that corresponded with his time sheet to one that had to fit a fleeing LHO.
Next his description gives the direction the 'boy' was coming from. This gives the impression Whaley was watching where this boy came from, but Whaley would be facing South and naturally would not be watching every person behind him. So of course someone coming up to his cab that he did not see walking from infront of him would likely have came from the North. Not likely they exited the building and walked over to the cab.

In EC Hardins report we have more detail on the rider walking up and being seen not in any hurry and "Mosied" up to his cab. :roll:
In this report there is a question if the rider could have gotten off a bus, no distinction is made as to the bus stop or type of bus, Grey Hound - City - Other.
Whaley says he may have as he did not observe the rider approach from a great distance leaving this part open to speculation that Whaley may have thought the rider disembarked from a bus. But WW was about to go in and get some smokes from the GH bus station when the boy mosied up and asked "May I have The Cab."
The reason I say that is Whaley was at Commerce and Lamar and not near the exits. He was more likely nearer the intersection where he would be able to know where a rider possibly came from. Plus he could do his business, like eat lunch and get some smokes here rather than at the actual cab stand at Jackson.
If a Lady had came up to his cab he would tell her to get the first cab at the cab stand thus turning her away. Pretty much what happened.
If she walked to that cab then Whaley would be 'available' for the next fare (LHO, or mosied 12:30 boy) if Whaley was the next waiting cab.

Why else would the rider need to ask Whaley if he could get a cab? Was Whaley sitting at the back of a cue with his lights off, maybe eating his lunch?




So where is the exacting description of this "LADY"
What was she dressed in?
How old was she? 75-76?
Which way did she come from?
Did she mosey or saunter up?
What jewelry was she wearing?
:roll:

What then description was passed out to police and news to be interested in talking to such a Lady? .....She might have been Mrs Daryl Click for all we know about the search for this woman.
A woman whom would surely know whom was in the cab she was turned away from.

What details could this Lady provide the authorities is inknown as they never attempted to find anyone much less get an description TO find just such a Lady.
Was this lady Mrs. Bledsoe?
Was she angry that Lee Oswald had stole her cab? We may never know whom the lady was? Bledsoe works fine for me. 
Thanks ever vigilant Warren Commission for providing a smoking hot lead, but not finding out what driver took the lady!!!!
Which cab came along after Whaley and gave her a ride?
Should be very simple to look at the other cabbies manifests and see which one was there also about 12:30 - 12:45 whom took ONE passenger from that location.
Did the FBI or DPD ask? I guess not as no one steped forward. or sauntered or mosied either.

Did the "An Old Lady" exist?

How often have you tried to get a cab at an airport etc. and see cabs sitting in a cue with their service lights off. When its their turn they pull up and turn on their for hire lights and wait for next fare. I see it a lot. I also recall huge fights over cab fares, small cab companies fighting big cab companies, etc. news was full of stories like this before deals were made, competion was bought out or forced out, unions ruled, cabbies agreed on their own rules, there were transportation police and undercovers whom tested the system and enforced rules. Days of the scab cabs and wild cat fares were wrapped up by the 60's and Dallas had control of buses and cabs in the city.
So Whaley is the only cab downtown at one of the busiest spots around noon???? Seems odd but I'll have to agree barring some outside evidence that other cabs were at the cab stand at that time.

Anyways Wahley drops his fare at 500 block N. Beckley about at Neely St.
The rider exits goes to the front of the cab, not towards the rooming house behind the cab but rider crosses Beckley and is heading South on Beckley.  Either towards Neely St or the lower 500 block of Beckley.

Whaley was shown this photo and said it was the same rider.

Now Whaley described this rider as per the FBI as :  "about 25 years of age, 5' 7" to 8", tall, about 135 pounds, with.

brown hair thick on top. He had a long thin face and a high forehead.(Now this is after seeing the TV news images and the NO pic)

Whaley would have had to of driven LHO whom looked like this


PS the description of a dark shirt with gold streak or white stripes or silver stripes are not what one would expect to see above.

Whaley also states to the FBI SA Odum on 12/18 that the clothes the rider had on were "UNPRESSED OR WRINKLED" as though not ironed after washing or he had slept in them.
Was LHO working all day or did he just put on some clothes out of a drawer?
I say Whaley is describing what he saw on TV. 

Of course Odum is showing the shirt to Whaley on 12/18 in hopes to get Whaley to ID the shirt.

This shirt had the first three top buttons missing after the arrest in the theater.
Whaley describes the shirt as being open to the fourth button in his statement to Odum, whom is showing Whaley the shirt!!
This sounds like the Bledsoe incident with the same shirt!
Even though Whaley has the shirt and sees the button only left at the fourth hole location still can not remember a white t-shirt underneath.
Kinda hard to miss with your shirt wide open. (We will not get into the jacket and or jackets... oy vey)

Redlich in his memo of MARCH 8 1964 to Ball, Belin, Craig, is still confused as to what Wade said, was it Daryl Click?
Wow this persisted that long in the public eye?  :D
Redlich also does not buy Whaley's 12:30 manifest as anything but exculpatory to LHO.  At about 12:28 the sirens, etc. of the parade would have been heard going by on Main. This fits the timing of the Mosied up passenger whom had seen the parade go by and wanted to get back to Oak Cliff. This does not fit LHO in any way shape or form unless LHO ran straight from the TSBD to the cab. 12:33 a jaunt of 6 blocks in 2 1/2 minutes for a 12:35 departure and an 8 minute trip to 500 N Beckley. Would be perfect for the 12:45 time 'IN'.  Any delay of walking the 2 1/2 minutes to catch a bus, a four minute ride on the bus, then a 2 1/2 minute walk to the cab just doesn't work...that is 9 to ten minutes after 12:33.
There is no way Whaley is picking up a rider at 12:44 and calling it 12:30 and then calling his IN 12:45.
No way Jose!!!   http://media.nara.gov/dc-metro/rg-272/605417-key-persons/whaley_w_w/whaley_w_w.pdf

Where did Whaley take his passenger?
Mr. WHALEY. You name an intersection in the city of Dallas and I will tell you what is on all four corners.
Mr. BALL. Did you stop and let your passenger out on this run on the north or south side of the intersection?
Mr. WHALEY. On the north side, sir.
Mr. BALL. North side?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. That would be--
Mr. WHALEY. Northwest corner.
Mr. BALL. Northwest corner of Neches and Beckley?
Mr. WHALEY. Northwest corner of Neches and Beckley.  

OOOPS! Oh so mmuch for telling us what ion all four corners of an intersection that does not exist... :roll:


Tom Scully has pointed out he is NO WHERE amongst his brother Navy Cross receipients
http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=10656.0;wap2

Note: WILLIAM WAYNE WHALEY HISTORY from http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Whaley-18

 

William Wayne Whaley was born June 19, 1908 in Sulphur Springs, Texas.He was the son of Oscar and Lona Whaley. His first marriage to Sylvia Patterson produced a son, Billy Wayne, who was, unfortunately, abducted.

He married Nell Fay Wilson on Dec. 6, 19__ and they lived in Lewisville,Texas. He and Nell were very much in love. He had three children by his second wife, Nell. They are Dixie, Jackie Nell, and Butch. They madetheir home in Lewisville, Texas

William served in the Navy aboard ship and fought in the Second WorldWar. He died in a car accident in Dallas on Dec. 18, 1965 at 57 years ofage. His wife died in Lewisville, in July, 1992. He was a devoted fisherman and loved to spend what free time he had, in that pursuit.

From his daughter, Dixie McCoy: "One of the best memories I have is thatDaddy was so much fun. He would play with us and when he worked on cars(which was his hobby) he would let me help. I always tell everyone I washis only son until I was 14 and mother had Butch. We would all gofishing together. I remember I learned to clean fish at an early agebecause he only liked to catch 'em, not clean 'em.

We never had much money, but we always had a good Christmas and goodbirthdays. I still don't know how he did it. I remmber when he wentinto the Navy. I was about 5 and Jackie was a newborn. He came home one weekend walking with a cane and I remember I didn't want him to go backbecause I was afraid he would be hurt worse. Daddy never spanked any of us. He always said he was afraid he would hurt us because he was so much bigger than we were. Of course, Mother made up for it in that category. I used to tell everyone I got a spanking every day of my life whether Ineeded it or not. However, looking back, I don't think it really hurt me any.

I guess Dad's "15 minutes of fame" came when he drove the cab that took Oswald from downtown Dallas to Oak Cliff after he supposedly killed Kennedy. Daddy always said that is was impossible for him to have done it, because the FBI had Daddy downtown one Sunday afternoon and they had to run through the pattern Oswld took about six times before they could do it in the time Oswald would have had to do it in and this was on aSunday afternoon with no traffic on the streets or sidewalks. Not tomention the thousands that lined the streets that day. I don't supposewe will ever learn the real truth in our lifetime."

William and Nell had three children:

-Dixie Whaley who married Gary McCoy and they had 3 children:

1. Sherrie McCoy, 2. Gary McCoy, 3. Charles McCoy

-Jackie Nell Whaley who married Jimmie Rust and they had 3 childrn:

1. Ginger Rust, 2. Robin Rust, 3. Roy (Buddy) Rust

-Jimmie (Butch) Whaley who married _______________and his children:

Burial: Date: DEC 1965

Place: Lewisville, , TX



The whole affair with Hugh chasing bus drivers and cabbies down leaves one to wonder how they didn't know Cecil McWatters was the driver by Monday? Tues-wed? They published Thursday.

Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, Larry Grove and I combined to dig out what was know as "The Great Escape." It was a lengthy exclusive --- printed Thursday morning the 28th --- showing how and where Oswald went in the 90 minutes or so he was free after killing the President.

This job was a toughie. I personally made at least 75 telephone calls, trying to find out which cab driver picked him up, which bus driver had ridden with him, what was said, which way did he go, etc.

We dug out Cecil McWatters, the bus driver, by chatting with a dispatcher, who seemed to think we were FBI men. He never mentioned the man.s name, because he thought we already had a report on the incident, but told us his badge number and bus he was driving.

This came after several officers in the firm, other drivers, dispatchers and service people refused to talk about the incident. "The police and FBI asked us not to talk," they explained.

Having found out the driver's number and route it was a simple matter to check when he would bring the bus into the bus barn. It was 8:20 p.m. Grove, Beers and I were waiting for him---still not knowing his name.

We had in the meantime pieced enough of the story together to make the driver believe we "knew it all" but needed filling in on the minor points.

"How do you spell your last name?" was one of the first questions. "What if he had said SMITH?" Grove shuddered.

From then on, it was concentration on the cab drive. We searched the records of the cab company for pickups made in the general area about 12:45 p.m. that day. We knew where he had gotten off McWatters' bus.

Soon we found that William Wayne Whaley, top man in point of service and an ex-Navy Cross winner over Iwo Jima, was our man.

Here again we should note Tom Scully has shown William Whaley is not recognized as a Navy Cross winner. Was this poor journalism on Hugh's part? Adding to the story? Or letting himself be duped?
We take up Aynesworth's story in Oak Cliff.

I left the house. The search within seconds shifted to the old house next door, also used as a storeroom for used junk.

A quick search through here and the officers --- now a score of police cars was at the scene, along with FBI personnel and probably some Secret Service people ---began to pull out.

Next stop --- I had regained my ride with the TV boys --- was the public library eight or 10 blocks away. Everybody was marched out with his hands up before it was determined that the boy who had run in so breathlessly was only carrying the message about the President's demise.

Though I didn.t know it, at the corner by the library, a bus driver by the name of Cecil McWatters sat waiting for a red light. He wondered what all the fuss was all about.

Less than an hour ago, McWatters had run face-to-face with Oswald as the self-styled Marxist was running from the Depository building --- but he wasn't to realize that for about 10 more hours---so he wondered, "What in hell's going on at the library?"

That was what the cabbies call a "water haul," nothing.

Cecil would be stopped at the Library per Hugh and wondering what was going on?
At 1:35 CT Walker sees suspect fitting decription run into Jefferson Branch Library. And several minutes later find it is Adrian Hamby.
Hugh is claiming Cecil was at Jefferson and Marsalis about 1:35pm.

Interesting as it appears LHO was tracked to that bus and to the Library as he read and checked out books.

Jack White timeline for AP reports has loads of info
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WwX6GVaEKJAJ:jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%2520Materials/Warren%2520Commission-Subject/Escape.doc+&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

11/22/63 Dallas - A building porter said he took Oswald to the sixth floor in an elevator. When he got out, Oswald asked the porter to send the car back up for him. The porter went to the ground floor to watch the Kennedy motorcade.

 

 

After that, Curry said, it is known that Oswald descended and left the building on foot.

 

 

… Somehow - Curry doesn't know - Oswald reached the Oak Cliff section, across the Trinity River from downtown Dallas. AP, 1:50 p.m. CST Peggy Simpson

 

 

Homicide Captain Will Fritz said Oswald had told police he caught a bus when he left the Depository Building, decided the bus was too slow and switched to a taxicab. He went to his rooming house in Oak Cliff, changed clothing and decided to go to a movie. 3:07 p.m. CST – [Sub for "Somehow ... downtown Dallas"] AP, 3:07 p.m. CST

Can we track down the AP article for the above sited switch to Taxi Cab????? HELP!!!

February 28, 2015 at 9:23 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:WwX6GVaEKJAJ:jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%2520Materials/Warren%2520Commission-Subject/Escape.doc+&cd=12&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

White timeline has this as 11/22

February 28, 2015 at 9:35 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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Yep should be a Saturday Ap story at 3:07 pm :P

February 28, 2015 at 9:42 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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In his Warren Commission testimony he gave this curious statement

Mr. BELIN. Then what happened

Mr. WHALEY. When I got to Beckley almost to the intersection of Beckley and Neely, he said, "This will do right here." and I pulled up to the curb

Mr. BELIN. Was that the 500 block of North Beckley?

Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; that was the 700 block.

Mr. BELIN. You let him out not at the 500 block but the 700 block of North Beckley?

Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. Had you crossed Neely Street yet when you let him off?

Mr. WHALEY. No, sir.

Mr. BELIN. About how far north of Neely street did you let the man off?

Mr. WHALEY. About 20 feet.

Mr. BELIN. Then you went down to the police station to identify this man?

Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. You saw a lineup?

Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what number he was in the lineup at all?

Mr. WHALEY. There was four of them, sir, and from the right to the left, he was No. 3.

Mr. BELIN. Starting from the right to the left, from his right or your right.

Mr. WHALEY. From your right, sir, which would have been his left. There were numbers above their heads, sir.

Mr. BELIN. Mr. Whaley, what number did you say the man was in the lineup?

Mr. WHALEY. No. 2.

Mr. BELIN. From the right or from your right?

Mr. WHALEY. From my left.

Mr. BELIN. No. 2?

Mr. WHALEY. They brought out four of them and stood them up there, and he was under No. 2. I mentioned he was the third one that come out. There were four and all handcuffed together.

Mr. BELIN. Did you sign an affidavit for the Dallas Police Department?

Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.

Mr. BELIN. I will hand you a document which I am calling Whaley Deposition Exhibit A, and ask you to say if your signature appears on there?

Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; that is my signature.

Mr. BELIN. Now I notice in the statement there it says that you traveled Wood Street to Houston Street, turned left and went over the viaduct to Zangs Boulevard. You see that statement there?

Mr. WHALEY. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. "Traveled Zangs to Beckley and turned left and traveled on Beckley until I reached the 500 block of North Beckley. When I got in the 500 block of North Beckley he said this will do and I stopped."

Now is that what you told them on that day?

Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; that is what I told them on that day.

Mr. BELIN. Well, was that the fact that you drove until you reached the 500 block, or not?

Mr. WHALEY. No, sir, I didn't drive until I reached the 500 block. I drove until I reached Beckley and Neely. If you would be in my place when they took me down there, when they had to force their way through the reporters to get me in the office, they wrote that up, and I signed it, because I told them that the man said he wanted to go to the 500 block of North Beckley.

And later we get this exchange

 

Mr. BELIN. Well, I do understand, sir, and I appreciate that you were under a great deal of pressure at that time, and I want to try and get at the actual facts, and that is why we asked you to come back to testify again, because we wanted to know basically whether or not the man that you drove in the cab got off in the 500 block or the 700 block.

Mr. WHALEY. The man I drove in the cab got off where I told you he got off, this morning.

I picked him up, and I showed you where I picked him up, and the trip runs 95 cents on the meter. He gave me a dollar and got off and he never spoke a word to me, except he wanted to go to 500 North Beckley.


And likely that ,only had a dollar and continued on foot towards 500 block of Beckley, if we agree with Whaley's WC testimony.

February 28, 2015 at 10:19 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Stan Dane
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"Homicide Captain Will Fritz said Oswald had told police he caught a bus when he left the Depository Building, decided the bus was too slow and switched to a taxicab. He went to his rooming house in Oak Cliff, changed clothing and decided to go to a movie. 3:07 p.m. CST – [Sub for "Somehow ... downtown Dallas"] AP, 3:07 p.m. CST

"Can we track down the AP article for the above sited switch to Taxi Cab????? HELP!!!"

___________________________________


I found these clippings Ed. Do they contain any useful information pertaining to your questions? Or am I a day late and a dollar short?

 

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/White%20Assassination%20Clippings%20Folders/Chronology/Chron%20017.pdf

 

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/White%20Assassination%20Clippings%20Folders/Chronology/

 


February 28, 2015 at 11:19 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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I still want more info on his abducted son Willliam W Whaley aka Billy whom died 18 June 1997

And what about Weldon being William Wayne Whaley's brother?
http://www.wikitree.com/genealogy/Whaley-Family-Tree-198
If he is he died the same day! Haha
Alright is Weldon the father or was Wayne? Or is Wayne also Weldon?
Whaley, William Wayne 11-25-1931 M Mother=Sylvia Patterson father = William Weldon Whaley  :/

A bit more from Aynesworth,

FROM THE TEXT OF THE CHAPTER (p. 76):

Then we caught a break. Somehow, I ascertained that the mystery man we had photographed in Capt. Fritz's office on Friday evening was a bus driver named Cecil J. McWatters. I also had or picture of McWatters, except I didn't know which one of two men it was. Jack Beers, the News photographer, had gotten McWatters image all right as the witness was being escorted from city hall. But Beers had also photogaphed another witness leaving the building, and he didn't know which one was our bus driver."

Larry [Grove] and I took the two photos with us on Saturday morning when we went downtown to visit the Dallas Transit Company. A supervisor there quicly picked out McWatters, checked the schedule and said the driver would be back at work on Sunday. Around six o'clock that evening, as McWatters entered the office to check out for the day, we were waiting for him.

"An 17-year veteran of the transit company, the 45-year-old McWatters, known as "Mac," remembered that he was steering his white, 44 passenger, No. 433 bus west on Elm Street when a traffic snarl brought him to a complete halt near Field Street, a few blocks east of the book depository. It was approximatley 12:40.

"That's when I saw him," McWatters recalled as he enjoyed a cigar. "He beat pretty hard on the bus door and I let him in. The fare was 23 cents."

Oswald asked McWatters for a transfer, and took the second seat behind the driver. Had he remained aboard No. 433, the bus would have taken him directly past the corner of Elm and Hosuton, where ten minutes before he'd shot and killed President Kennedy.

Instead, said McWatters,as the bus slowed once more in traffic, Oswald abruptly arose and disembarked at Lamar Street, about halfway to the book depository.

To Cecil McWatters, Lee Harvey Oswald was just another anonymous far. He was never able to conclusively identify Oswlad as the slightly-built young man who rode his bus for abot five mintes that Friday afternoon."

About five hours later that day, he told us, the police pulled him over near city hall and took him up to Capt. Fritz's office for questioning. Detecties told him they'd found the transfer ticket he'd issued Oswald in the suspect's clothing. It distinctly bore Cecil McWatter's stamp and was one of only two he gave out all day.

When the Dallas police showed him a line-up, he told officers that Oswald was the right height, weight and coloring, but he could ot be absolutely certain.

"They sure wanted me to pick him out, without reservation," McWatters recalled to us. "I couldn't do that, not for positive." (pp. 76 - 77)

FWIW: Ayensworth never says why he wrote that Oswald walked east on Pacific, and not on Elm, to reach the point where he then went back to Elm, to catch the bus.

Also: The actual Dallas Morning News story has information which is different from what he wrote in the book . .. :

"There was no reaction from Oswald when the working man told the driver 'The President has been shot--that's why traffic is blocked. . . " (the part of the story proving info about the "working man" was at the bottom of the previous column, which is cut off).

The bus driver said, "A lady behind me had been giving me a hard time--she wanted to catch a train at the depot. She wanted off so she could make it."

And Lee Harvey Oswald, also, wanted off.

"Give me a transfer," he said.

 


Aynesworth is saying Jack Beers took a photo of Cecil McWatters when the cops brought 'Mac' into robbery Homicide.

Do we have a photo by Beers or anyone showing someone whom could be Cecil in R&H Office??

March 1, 2015 at 12:17 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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Stan Dane at February 28, 2015 at 11:19 PM

"Homicide Captain Will Fritz said Oswald had told police he caught a bus when he left the Depository Building, decided the bus was too slow and switched to a taxicab. He went to his rooming house in Oak Cliff, changed clothing and decided to go to a movie. 3:07 p.m. CST – [Sub for "Somehow ... downtown Dallas"] AP, 3:07 p.m. CST

"Can we track down the AP article for the above sited switch to Taxi Cab????? HELP!!!"

___________________________________


I found these clippings Ed. Do they contain any useful information pertaining to your questions? Or am I a day late and a dollar short?

 

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/White%20Assassination%20Clippings%20Folders/Chronology/Chron%20017.pdf

 

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/White%20Assassination%20Clippings%20Folders/Chronology/

 


Thank you Stan,

The first link has it as 307 pm Central Standard for the first we hear of the Taxicab switch up on the 23rd


All of the clippings are very helpful!
AP time stamps make our case so much easier.


Sat 11:17 am we have Oswald with a transfer on him but Curry has no idea how he got to Oak Cliff, again the mention of a car by "Someone" ... really, Someone. Not an Officer? Just a nebulous someone....Okie dokie.
Jigs up for Craig, he saw the wrong thing at the wrong time and the boys in the FBI don't like this, pressure was already coming down for the slips about LHO being talked to by the FBI and they did not inform the DPD which Curry had to back track on :|

Yes Stan there is a santa clause!

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March 1, 2015 at 12:53 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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Sunday,
POLICE HAVE STATEMENTS FROM A BUS DRIVER WHO TOOK OSWALD FROM NEAR THE

BOOK BUILDING TO THE OAK CLIFF AREA

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/White%20Assassination%20Clippings%20Folders/Chronology/Chron%20027.pdf

March 1, 2015 at 1:30 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Faroe Islander
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I have seen some footage from the police station where there is one reporter saying that the police has just been talking to a cabby and a bussie and we can see them go in to an elevator at I think 3 or 4:30 on friday 


will try to find this footage from youtube again...

March 1, 2015 at 9:25 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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Thank you!
I saw that too but was thinking Sat.
Its on a reel with Walter Kronkite.
Reason I say Sat. is I recall there was a half dozen or so vidoes covering the weekend news coverage by CBS and this reel or segment was well into the coverage.
But yes please check Faroe Islander!

March 3, 2015 at 8:19 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Faroe Islander
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it was where Captain Fritz says they has Chinced the case, right after this we see two persons go in to the elevator, reporter says it is a busdriver and a taxicab driver

Still can´t find it though


March 4, 2015 at 5:20 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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I know right, I'm checking....or re-checking the news coverage.

March 7, 2015 at 9:44 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Greg
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Stan Dane at February 28, 2015 at 11:19 PM

"Homicide Captain Will Fritz said Oswald had told police he caught a bus when he left the Depository Building, decided the bus was too slow and switched to a taxicab. He went to his rooming house in Oak Cliff, changed clothing and decided to go to a movie. 3:07 p.m. CST – [Sub for "Somehow ... downtown Dallas"] AP, 3:07 p.m. CST

"Can we track down the AP article for the above sited switch to Taxi Cab????? HELP!!!"

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I found these clippings Ed. Do they contain any useful information pertaining to your questions? Or am I a day late and a dollar short?

 

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/White%20Assassination%20Clippings%20Folders/Chronology/Chron%20017.pdf

 

http://jfk.hood.edu/Collection/White%20Materials/White%20Assassination%20Clippings%20Folders/Chronology/

 


From one of your links...

 

WITHIN MINUTES, POLICE BROADCAST A DESCRIPTION OF HIM. HE IS ABOUT

5 FEET, 9 INCHES TALL AND WEIGHS ABOUT 160. HE HAS BLACK HAIR, SHARP

FEATURES AND A MOUTH THAT PRESSES TIGHTLY TOGETHER WHEN HE IS ANGRY

AND DEFIANT.

SOMEHOW—CURRY DOESN'T 'KNOW—OSWALD REACHED THE OAK CLIFF SECTION,

ACROSS THE TRINITY RIVER FROM DOWNTOWN DALLAS.

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Really??? That's the description that went out??? In which alternate universe again?

March 7, 2015 at 11:23 PM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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Nice one Greg! That is a good description of Craford/Crafard.

Start watching at 59:00 for Nelson Benton (sic) about the escape
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1PgWlnHFX8

March 8, 2015 at 12:01 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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Hey Faroe Islander!!!
Bus driver and Taxi driver
Start at 14:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K4A3cF2-52A

March 8, 2015 at 12:04 AM Flag Quote & Reply

Ed Ledoux
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Presumed to be a Bus Driver and Taxi Cab Driver....

Looked like Scoggins and Whaley.

The cops went to the cab company and got them.
Scoggins and William Whaley viewed the same lineup at the same time.

Our "bus driver" was in there at 6pm alone on the 22nd

March 8, 2015 at 12:11 AM Flag Quote & Reply

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