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As we demolish the ideas engrained in us all about the escape of Lee Harvey Oswald we are often asked how then did he get to Oak Cliff. Now Whaley described this rider as per the FBI as : "about 25 years of age, 5' 7" to 8", tall, about 135 pounds, with. brown hair thick on top. He had a long thin face and a high forehead. " (Now this is after seeing the TV news images and the NO pic) Note: WILLIAM WAYNE WHALEY HISTORY from http://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Whaley-18
William Wayne Whaley was born June 19, 1908 in Sulphur Springs, Texas.He was the son of Oscar and Lona Whaley. His first marriage to Sylvia Patterson produced a son, Billy Wayne, who was, unfortunately, abducted. He married Nell Fay Wilson on Dec. 6, 19__ and they lived in Lewisville,Texas. He and Nell were very much in love. He had three children by his second wife, Nell. They are Dixie, Jackie Nell, and Butch. They madetheir home in Lewisville, Texas William served in the Navy aboard ship and fought in the Second WorldWar. He died in a car accident in Dallas on Dec. 18, 1965 at 57 years ofage. His wife died in Lewisville, in July, 1992. He was a devoted fisherman and loved to spend what free time he had, in that pursuit. From his daughter, Dixie McCoy: "One of the best memories I have is thatDaddy was so much fun. He would play with us and when he worked on cars(which was his hobby) he would let me help. I always tell everyone I washis only son until I was 14 and mother had Butch. We would all gofishing together. I remember I learned to clean fish at an early agebecause he only liked to catch 'em, not clean 'em. We never had much money, but we always had a good Christmas and goodbirthdays. I still don't know how he did it. I remmber when he wentinto the Navy. I was about 5 and Jackie was a newborn. He came home one weekend walking with a cane and I remember I didn't want him to go backbecause I was afraid he would be hurt worse. Daddy never spanked any of us. He always said he was afraid he would hurt us because he was so much bigger than we were. Of course, Mother made up for it in that category. I used to tell everyone I got a spanking every day of my life whether Ineeded it or not. However, looking back, I don't think it really hurt me any. I guess Dad's "15 minutes of fame" came when he drove the cab that took Oswald from downtown Dallas to Oak Cliff after he supposedly killed Kennedy. Daddy always said that is was impossible for him to have done it, because the FBI had Daddy downtown one Sunday afternoon and they had to run through the pattern Oswld took about six times before they could do it in the time Oswald would have had to do it in and this was on aSunday afternoon with no traffic on the streets or sidewalks. Not tomention the thousands that lined the streets that day. I don't supposewe will ever learn the real truth in our lifetime." William and Nell had three children: -Dixie Whaley who married Gary McCoy and they had 3 children: 1. Sherrie McCoy, 2. Gary McCoy, 3. Charles McCoy -Jackie Nell Whaley who married Jimmie Rust and they had 3 childrn: 1. Ginger Rust, 2. Robin Rust, 3. Roy (Buddy) Rust -Jimmie (Butch) Whaley who married _______________and his children: Burial: Date: DEC 1965 Place: Lewisville, , TX
Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday, Larry Grove and I combined to dig out what was know as "The Great Escape." It was a lengthy exclusive --- printed Thursday morning the 28th --- showing how and where Oswald went in the 90 minutes or so he was free after killing the President. This job was a toughie. I personally made at least 75 telephone calls, trying to find out which cab driver picked him up, which bus driver had ridden with him, what was said, which way did he go, etc. We dug out Cecil McWatters, the bus driver, by chatting with a dispatcher, who seemed to think we were FBI men. He never mentioned the man.s name, because he thought we already had a report on the incident, but told us his badge number and bus he was driving. This came after several officers in the firm, other drivers, dispatchers and service people refused to talk about the incident. "The police and FBI asked us not to talk," they explained. Having found out the driver's number and route it was a simple matter to check when he would bring the bus into the bus barn. It was 8:20 p.m. Grove, Beers and I were waiting for him---still not knowing his name. We had in the meantime pieced enough of the story together to make the driver believe we "knew it all" but needed filling in on the minor points. "How do you spell your last name?" was one of the first questions. "What if he had said SMITH?" Grove shuddered. From then on, it was concentration on the cab drive. We searched the records of the cab company for pickups made in the general area about 12:45 p.m. that day. We knew where he had gotten off McWatters' bus. Soon we found that William Wayne Whaley, top man in point of service and an ex-Navy Cross winner over Iwo Jima, was our man. Here again we should note Tom Scully has shown William Whaley is not recognized as a Navy Cross winner. Was this poor journalism on Hugh's part? Adding to the story? Or letting himself be duped? I left the house. The search within seconds shifted to the old house next door, also used as a storeroom for used junk. A quick search through here and the officers --- now a score of police cars was at the scene, along with FBI personnel and probably some Secret Service people ---began to pull out. Next stop --- I had regained my ride with the TV boys --- was the public library eight or 10 blocks away. Everybody was marched out with his hands up before it was determined that the boy who had run in so breathlessly was only carrying the message about the President's demise. Though I didn.t know it, at the corner by the library, a bus driver by the name of Cecil McWatters sat waiting for a red light. He wondered what all the fuss was all about. Less than an hour ago, McWatters had run face-to-face with Oswald as the self-styled Marxist was running from the Depository building --- but he wasn't to realize that for about 10 more hours---so he wondered, "What in hell's going on at the library?" That was what the cabbies call a "water haul," nothing. Cecil would be stopped at the Library per Hugh and wondering what was going on? 11/22/63 Dallas - A building porter said he took Oswald to the sixth floor in an elevator. When he got out, Oswald asked the porter to send the car back up for him. The porter went to the ground floor to watch the Kennedy motorcade.
After that, Curry said, it is known that Oswald descended and left the building on foot.
… Somehow - Curry doesn't know - Oswald reached the Oak Cliff section, across the Trinity River from downtown Dallas. AP, 1:50 p.m. CST Peggy Simpson
Homicide Captain Will Fritz said Oswald had told police he caught a bus when he left the Depository Building, decided the bus was too slow and switched to a taxicab. He went to his rooming house in Oak Cliff, changed clothing and decided to go to a movie. 3:07 p.m. CST – [Sub for "Somehow ... downtown Dallas"] AP, 3:07 p.m. CST Can we track down the AP article for the above sited switch to Taxi Cab????? HELP!!! | |
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Yep should be a Saturday Ap story at 3:07 pm | |
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In his Warren Commission testimony he gave this curious statement Mr. BELIN. Then what happened Mr. WHALEY. When I got to Beckley almost to the intersection of Beckley and Neely, he said, "This will do right here." and I pulled up to the curb Mr. BELIN. Was that the 500 block of North Beckley? Mr. WHALEY. No, sir; that was the 700 block. Mr. BELIN. You let him out not at the 500 block but the 700 block of North Beckley? Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. Had you crossed Neely Street yet when you let him off? Mr. WHALEY. No, sir. Mr. BELIN. About how far north of Neely street did you let the man off? Mr. WHALEY. About 20 feet. Mr. BELIN. Then you went down to the police station to identify this man? Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. You saw a lineup? Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what number he was in the lineup at all? Mr. WHALEY. There was four of them, sir, and from the right to the left, he was No. 3. Mr. BELIN. Starting from the right to the left, from his right or your right. Mr. WHALEY. From your right, sir, which would have been his left. There were numbers above their heads, sir. Mr. BELIN. Mr. Whaley, what number did you say the man was in the lineup? Mr. WHALEY. No. 2. Mr. BELIN. From the right or from your right? Mr. WHALEY. From my left. Mr. BELIN. No. 2? Mr. WHALEY. They brought out four of them and stood them up there, and he was under No. 2. I mentioned he was the third one that come out. There were four and all handcuffed together. Mr. BELIN. Did you sign an affidavit for the Dallas Police Department? Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir. Mr. BELIN. I will hand you a document which I am calling Whaley Deposition Exhibit A, and ask you to say if your signature appears on there? Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; that is my signature. Mr. BELIN. Now I notice in the statement there it says that you traveled Wood Street to Houston Street, turned left and went over the viaduct to Zangs Boulevard. You see that statement there? Mr. WHALEY. Yes. Mr. BELIN. "Traveled Zangs to Beckley and turned left and traveled on Beckley until I reached the 500 block of North Beckley. When I got in the 500 block of North Beckley he said this will do and I stopped." Now is that what you told them on that day? Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; that is what I told them on that day. Mr. BELIN. Well, was that the fact that you drove until you reached the 500 block, or not? Mr. WHALEY. No, sir, I didn't drive until I reached the 500 block. I drove until I reached Beckley and Neely. If you would be in my place when they took me down there, when they had to force their way through the reporters to get me in the office, they wrote that up, and I signed it, because I told them that the man said he wanted to go to the 500 block of North Beckley.
Mr. BELIN. Well, I do understand, sir, and I appreciate that you were under a great deal of pressure at that time, and I want to try and get at the actual facts, and that is why we asked you to come back to testify again, because we wanted to know basically whether or not the man that you drove in the cab got off in the 500 block or the 700 block. Mr. WHALEY. The man I drove in the cab got off where I told you he got off, this morning. I picked him up, and I showed you where I picked him up, and the trip runs 95 cents on the meter. He gave me a dollar and got off and he never spoke a word to me, except he wanted to go to 500 North Beckley.
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"Homicide Captain Will Fritz said Oswald had told police he caught a bus when he left the Depository Building, decided the bus was too slow and switched to a taxicab. He went to his rooming house in Oak Cliff, changed clothing and decided to go to a movie. 3:07 p.m. CST – [Sub for "Somehow ... downtown Dallas"] AP, 3:07 p.m. CST "Can we track down the AP article for the above sited switch to Taxi Cab????? HELP!!!" ___________________________________ I found these clippings Ed. Do they contain any useful information pertaining to your questions? Or am I a day late and a dollar short?
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I still want more info on his abducted son Willliam W Whaley aka Billy whom died 18 June 1997 FROM THE TEXT OF THE CHAPTER (p. 76): Then we caught a break. Somehow, I ascertained that the mystery man we had photographed in Capt. Fritz's office on Friday evening was a bus driver named Cecil J. McWatters. I also had or picture of McWatters, except I didn't know which one of two men it was. Jack Beers, the News photographer, had gotten McWatters image all right as the witness was being escorted from city hall. But Beers had also photogaphed another witness leaving the building, and he didn't know which one was our bus driver." Larry [Grove] and I took the two photos with us on Saturday morning when we went downtown to visit the Dallas Transit Company. A supervisor there quicly picked out McWatters, checked the schedule and said the driver would be back at work on Sunday. Around six o'clock that evening, as McWatters entered the office to check out for the day, we were waiting for him. "An 17-year veteran of the transit company, the 45-year-old McWatters, known as "Mac," remembered that he was steering his white, 44 passenger, No. 433 bus west on Elm Street when a traffic snarl brought him to a complete halt near Field Street, a few blocks east of the book depository. It was approximatley 12:40. "That's when I saw him," McWatters recalled as he enjoyed a cigar. "He beat pretty hard on the bus door and I let him in. The fare was 23 cents." Oswald asked McWatters for a transfer, and took the second seat behind the driver. Had he remained aboard No. 433, the bus would have taken him directly past the corner of Elm and Hosuton, where ten minutes before he'd shot and killed President Kennedy. Instead, said McWatters,as the bus slowed once more in traffic, Oswald abruptly arose and disembarked at Lamar Street, about halfway to the book depository. To Cecil McWatters, Lee Harvey Oswald was just another anonymous far. He was never able to conclusively identify Oswlad as the slightly-built young man who rode his bus for abot five mintes that Friday afternoon." About five hours later that day, he told us, the police pulled him over near city hall and took him up to Capt. Fritz's office for questioning. Detecties told him they'd found the transfer ticket he'd issued Oswald in the suspect's clothing. It distinctly bore Cecil McWatter's stamp and was one of only two he gave out all day. When the Dallas police showed him a line-up, he told officers that Oswald was the right height, weight and coloring, but he could ot be absolutely certain. "They sure wanted me to pick him out, without reservation," McWatters recalled to us. "I couldn't do that, not for positive." (pp. 76 - 77) FWIW: Ayensworth never says why he wrote that Oswald walked east on Pacific, and not on Elm, to reach the point where he then went back to Elm, to catch the bus. Also: The actual Dallas Morning News story has information which is different from what he wrote in the book . .. : "There was no reaction from Oswald when the working man told the driver 'The President has been shot--that's why traffic is blocked. . . " (the part of the story proving info about the "working man" was at the bottom of the previous column, which is cut off). The bus driver said, "A lady behind me had been giving me a hard time--she wanted to catch a train at the depot. She wanted off so she could make it." And Lee Harvey Oswald, also, wanted off. "Give me a transfer," he said.
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Thank you Stan, The first link has it as 307 pm Central Standard for the first we hear of the Taxicab switch up on the 23rd Yes Stan there is a santa clause! | |
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Sunday, BOOK BUILDING TO THE OAK CLIFF AREA | |
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I have seen some footage from the police station where there is one reporter saying that the police has just been talking to a cabby and a bussie and we can see them go in to an elevator at I think 3 or 4:30 on friday will try to find this footage from youtube again... | |
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Thank you! | |
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it was where Captain Fritz says they has Chinced the case, right after this we see two persons go in to the elevator, reporter says it is a busdriver and a taxicab driver Still can´t find it though | |
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I know right, I'm checking....or re-checking the news coverage. | |
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From one of your links...
WITHIN MINUTES, POLICE BROADCAST A DESCRIPTION OF HIM. HE IS ABOUT 5 FEET, 9 INCHES TALL AND WEIGHS ABOUT 160. HE HAS BLACK HAIR, SHARP FEATURES AND A MOUTH THAT PRESSES TIGHTLY TOGETHER WHEN HE IS ANGRY AND DEFIANT. SOMEHOW—CURRY DOESN'T 'KNOW—OSWALD REACHED THE OAK CLIFF SECTION, ACROSS THE TRINITY RIVER FROM DOWNTOWN DALLAS. ------------------------------ Really??? That's the description that went out??? In which alternate universe again? | |
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Nice one Greg! That is a good description of Craford/Crafard. | |
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Hey Faroe Islander!!! | |
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Presumed to be a Bus Driver and Taxi Cab Driver.... | |
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